Whats a AR15 drop in auto safety sear

[rbernie]

This is fun - I'm learning stuff (and that doesn't happen often).

• If a SOT makes a post-'86 demo, do they need a letter from a LEO agency or military for that activity? Or is the letter only need to justify the transfer?
  
• If a SOT makes a FA bit in 2006 and then goes out of business, what happens to that piece of metal? (In other words, does a post '86 dealer sample follow the same possession rules as a pre-'86 sample?)

 

[Correia]

On your first one. Yes, an SOT can make a machine gun with out a demo letter. However, he can't order in another manufacturers product with out a demo letter.

If you give up your SOT, you can't keep any post '86 items. You have to get rid of them first, or surrender them when you give up your license.

 

[loganoutpost]

Ok I'll take a stab at trying to answer a few of these questions.

1. The demo letter is needed to transfer the gun to the SOT recieving it. This includes recieving it from an LE agency, another class 3 dealer or a Manufacture ( such has COLT's or Billy BOB's Gun shop who both have 02/07 manfacturer's liscences/ SOT's).
2. The demo letter is not needed to manufacture post 86 full auto guns by a properly liscenced manufacture of Class 3 guns such as Colt or Billy Bob's as mentioned abaove. But when they go to transfer one that they have manufactured they must have the demo letter to go to another class 3 dealer even if they are a manufacturer themselve's. As an example Colt could not tranfser a post 86 M4 to HK without the demo letter being needed.

Aslo as to the sear being advertised in SGN these are being advertised and sold as pre Nov 1981 sears. This is a new date for some to remember and I will try to sum it up quickly. Prior to November 1981 ATF had not classified these drop in sears as machine guns themselves and they were legal to buy and sell but not legal to put in your AR-15 unless it was registered on a form 1 or by a 02/07 manufacturer. Remember this is prior to the 86 Machine Gun Ban. In November 1981 BATF declared that those sears manufactured after that date were machine guns themselves and had to be registered by either making it on an approved form 1 prior to making it yourselve or registered by an 02/07 manufacturer. Since the sears that had been manufactered were legal by themselves prior to 1981 BATF said that they could still be bought and sold but if they were owned in conjunction with an Ar-15 that that was the infamous constructive possesion of a machine gun and was illegal. So yes you can own it but you can't use it to make a legal full auto machine gun. There are several drop in sears that were registered prior to the 86 but they go for around 10K dollars.

Here's a little thing that kind's of help to remember the various types of machineguns

1934-1968 All guns registered are transferable foriegn or domestic
1968-1986 U.S. built guns are tranferable.Foreign guns pre86 dealer samples. No demo letter needed and dealer can keep after he gives up liscence they bring approx. 60-70% of a transferable gun
Post 86 Foriegn or Domestic LE Dealer sample only. Need letter to transfer between dealers and Dealer must give up if liscence expires.

34 doubles to 68, 68 transposes to 86, easier to remember it that way. That was first told to me by an ATF inspector during an audit Giving credit where credit is due.

Also the ads have been around for a long time and are not an ATF sting, There is some questions as to whether they are actual pre 81 sears though. If you order one and already own an ar-15 then you have just manufactured an Illegal Machine Gun. Others on this post have mentioned that there have been rumors to whether the seller has been friendly with ATF. I do not know the seller personaly and I would reccomend that no one buys one. They can be nothing but trouble. All bubba rules apply.

A little long winded and I am sorry about that just no way around it. Hope it helps

 

[CleverNickname]

All these replies and not one actual picture of a DIAS.

(click for larger image)

 

[rbernie]

I nominate this as 'The Best Thread of 2006, So Far <tm>'. High S/N ratio, good info, minimum of fuss.

Thanks y'all.

 

[gopguy]

Its 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine if it's unregistered....

 

[Carl N. Brown]

loganoutpost --good reply. Clarity on a cloudy subject.

So owning a legal pre-Nov 81 DIAS is legal without an AR15.

But owning a legal pre-Nov 81 DIAS is illegal with a legal AR15
if the AR15 was not registered as a machinegun pre-May 86.

That makes a pre-Nov 81 DIAS about the most undesirable
thing on the market.

And for the price of a post-Nov 81 pre-May 86 registered
DIAS (per se MG), one could buy a registered West Hurley
Thonpson 1950s parts gun. Or Two.

 

[Boris Barowski]

PvtPyle (and others),

Thanks for the explanation!
I'm not from the US, but I am interested in US firearms laws, so this was very helpful to read

B.

 

[wishin]

Talk about resurrected from the tombs....

As a matter of interest, have the laws regarding full autos been changed in any significant manner since this was posted?

 

[nhm16]

Talk about resurrected from the tombs....

As a matter of interest, have the laws regarding full autos been changed in any significant manner since this was posted?

Unfortunately, no. Too bad, because I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to have a full-auto weapon in the collection, but not for the kind of money you're talking about these days.

 

[gun&knifecountry]

Talk about old post.

Logan Outpost used to be our old shop in Auburn Ky we moved to Oak Grove Ky over 3 years ago. I was looking through the post before checking the date. Starting reading my post before looking at the poster names. Thought I would right something like like and then about the second paragraph remember I did a few years back.

Yes all the NFA rules still apply nothing has changed on that end.

 

[Boris Barowski]

Sorry about the resurrection :s I was browsing some articles all over THR, and I didn't look at the date. When I noticed it was too late. So, sorry about this

 

[Hammerhead6814]

Guys, ads like that are being run for people who can legally own one. Those who have all the listed requirements Pvt. Pyle is talking about.

Just because you see something in a periodical doesn't mean it's there for everyone and anyone. Just like how they do not let people who do not have a HAZMAT license drive an tanker truck, yet they advertise equipment and even the tankers at industry shows and industry periodicals which no one needs a license to be at or see.

Are we all clear then?

 

[steve--]

Guys, ads like that are being run for people who can legally own one. Those who have all the listed requirements Pvt. Pyle is talking about.

Just because you see something in a periodical doesn't mean it's there for everyone and anyone. Just like how they do not let people who do not have a HAZMAT license drive an tanker truck, yet they advertise equipment and even the tankers at industry shows and industry periodicals which no one needs a license to be at or see.

Are we all clear then?

Cosmoline? How about napalm?

 

[Robert]

This thread is 8 years old. Many of the original posters are no longer active. Let's let it go.