What's an AR15 drop in safety sear REBOOT

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I saw the recent "What is a AR15 drop in safety sear" thread and it's original 2006 posts, and I had a recent experience with it.

Back in the late 90's or early 2000's I ordered one from the ad I saw in the Shotgun News. The ad called it a safety sear and being new to AR15's I thought my rifle would be unsafe without it. I sent off a money order for $105 to the address and I received the DIASS complete with photocopied paperwork stating it was totally legal to own and was not an NFA item. I really didn't know any better and simply thought I had bought an over priced, unneeded accessory and promptly threw it in a box and forgot about it.

About eight months ago, I received a letter from the BATF telling me that "It has come to the attention of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) that you purchased one or more Drop-In Auto Sears (DIAS) from George Dodson doing business as Su-Press-On.". The rest of the letter goes on to state that the "safety sear" is actually an "auto sear" and illegal as all get out (fines up to $250,000 and/or 10 years imprisonment. At the bottom of the letter is a copy of the Shotgun News ad and agent's name and phone number.

After a mild cardiac moment, I started looking for it in couple of gun parts boxes I had and couldn't find it. I then remembered that some of my odd gun parts boxes had been thrown away while I was in Iraq (04'-05') along with some other boxes of assorted junk I stored in the barn. Luckily the agent seemed casual with my statement and replied that if I found it to contact him to turn it in.

It just goes to show you that don't belive everything you read (advertisement s & the internet), and the ATF will find you even if the address they have is over ten years old and you have moved five different time, including out of state.
 
How long did that ad run, and if it ran for a while, why was it allowed to keep running?

Also makes you wonder how they got your information. Was George Dodson keeping all the information, and if so, why?

We have got to come up with a better way than allowing a bunch of unelected bureaucrats to interpret the laws and come up with their own policy.
 
We have got to come up with a better way than allowing a bunch of unelected bureaucrats to interpret the laws and come up with their own policy.

Amen to that.
 
To be fair, the dias were full auto conversions, plain and simple (the vast majority were purchased for this reason). It's one of the ATFs less controversial rulings. Hate the NFA/Hughes Amendment, not the playa.

TCB
 
I had always assumed the ad was from atf.

They were marketed as 'pre-'81'. I think that was when the dias was ruled to be a MG itself. Prior to that, I think, it was understood that one needed to have both an AR and a dias to have possession of a MG.
 
To be fair, the dias were full auto conversions, plain and simple (the vast majority were purchased for this reason). It's one of the ATFs less controversial rulings. Hate the NFA/Hughes Amendment, not the playa.

TCB

But why did the ATF let this go on for so long? It apparently was common knowledge. Sounds like instead of warning him, they gave him enough rope to hang himself.
 
The bottom line is that one of these drop-in sears means trouble that you don't need.

I don't know, but I've been told that they make an AR full-auto only. If so, that's about the last thing I'd want, even if it were legal. Turning money into noise at that rate does not strike me as the epitome of financial wisdom. :)
 
A friend of mine has two registered DIASs which only differ from other DIAS units by the fact that they are registered. When combined with the right other select fire parts, they make the rifle select fire.

Mike
 
Why did they sell for so long?
1) Do we really think the ATF is that effective a police force, that they can interdict every questionable product brought to market without consultation immediately?
2) Were people forwarding their concerns to agents, or were they "wink-winking" through the sales process?
3) Would it be worth the ATF's time and energy to bust a small operation, or one that has been allowed to get large and expensive?
4) We all know how much the ATF loves to watch crime unfold in order to see where it might lead (i.e. to watch it spiral), in hopes the subsequent target is more lucrative (gotta love that logic :rolleyes:)

In summary, there are quite a few reasons the ATF isn't very effective as a proactive/pre-emptive mechanism in keeping illegal products off the market before or after sale. Heck, just a few weeks ago, they double-backed themselves on Century STEN kits, demanding all 5000 sold over several months be tracked down and returned so they could be more thoroughly demilled --no compensation apart from shipping, if that, of course. It all comes down to their mission statement of enforcing the nebulous, arbitrary, and unenforceable.

TCB
 
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