I'm guessing a semi-auto IS what I'd go for, or even a select pump/semi (I think the SPAS 12 is like that?), but whatever I could abuse and such is most likely what I'd go for. I guess saiga might just be my option. What gauges does saiga come in?
What's the AK of the shotgun world?
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I'd say you stirred up a hornets' nest here with that question.
Just look at my user name to see my vote.
But unlike my illustrious colleagues also voting that model, I'll add a 'P' to the end.
The 870 is venerable, to be sure. Been around a long time as Wingmaster, Express, Marine...
But the 870P, which is my own personal choice (for good reason, if you read enough threads on this fine feathered forum), is the gun that takes a lickin' but keeps on tickin'.
870P.
I'm betting my life on it.
What's in your wallet?
Nem
Just look at my user name to see my vote.
But unlike my illustrious colleagues also voting that model, I'll add a 'P' to the end.
The 870 is venerable, to be sure. Been around a long time as Wingmaster, Express, Marine...
But the 870P, which is my own personal choice (for good reason, if you read enough threads on this fine feathered forum), is the gun that takes a lickin' but keeps on tickin'.
870P.
I'm betting my life on it.
What's in your wallet?
Nem
Nematocyst-870 said:870P.
I'm betting my life on it.
What's in your wallet?
Nem
What's the P mean, the police model?
I found a dead bug in there, that's about it. :\
Getting a shotgun would be a future project, because I'm in the middle of about 3 currently.
I'm sure I will get a shotgun eventually, its just not first on my list. And with the way things are going, I'm DEFINATELY getting the things that have the potential to be banned first. I don't think shotguns are in that list, unless I really had my heart set on a saiga, which I don't, and even if I did, the other stuff is way more ban worthy, so...
What ever you would like it to mean.Illuminaughty said:
For me, it means:
Potential (as in a large electrical potential across a gradient).
Practical.
Potent.
Not to mention Pretty fine.
I've heard the argument more than once that an AK can spray 30 rnds with as many trigger pulls.
With my 870P, loaded with 00, I can spray 9 9mm-sized rnds with each trigger pull, effective out to, say, 60 m.
Five (trigger pulls) X 9 = 45.
Even with RR rnds, that's 5 X 8 = 40.
What's in your AK?
Nematocyst-870
Nematocyst-870 said:With my 870P, loaded with 00, I can spray 9 9mm-sized rnds with each trigger pull, effective out to, say, 60 m.
Five (trigger pulls) X 9 = 45.
Even with RR rnds, that's 5 X 8 = 40.
What's in your AK?
Nematocyst-870
a 30 round magazine of 7.62x39mm military surp i can control where every shot goes, shots themselves being powerful enough to down someone, and with the quick throw on vest with 6 more mags, another 180 rounds I can fire with a 2-3 second interruption. You're DEFINATELY not going to sell me ona gun that shoots a spray in an area for its purpose as a home defense weapons, I prefer speed and accuracy.
But I wouldn't mind a shotgun to watch things go boom.
Nematocyst-870 said:
Being impressed isn't what makes a good SHTF gun.
And something tells me there's a reason no military in the world uses a shotgun as its primary weapon.
Not to mention shotgun rounds hit MUCH softer than rifle rounds. I want to take down what I'm shooting at without having to rack pump every time. Not to mention being able to fit in hallways.
Ill, a couple things....
Shotguns dump an incredible amount of energy into a target. Back when I could access a Federal datebase the stats there approached 100% for one shot stops. Instant one shot stops.
No military fields a shotgun as a GP weapon for range and use reasons. All of our military units have personnel who carry shotguns in jungle and urban fighting.
When one trains with a pump, speed is darn near that of a self loader. Reliability is a hair better.
As for hallway use, my HD 870 is a bit shorter than an M16A1 and a bit longer than an M4.
To each his/her own...j
Shotguns dump an incredible amount of energy into a target. Back when I could access a Federal datebase the stats there approached 100% for one shot stops. Instant one shot stops.
No military fields a shotgun as a GP weapon for range and use reasons. All of our military units have personnel who carry shotguns in jungle and urban fighting.
When one trains with a pump, speed is darn near that of a self loader. Reliability is a hair better.
As for hallway use, my HD 870 is a bit shorter than an M16A1 and a bit longer than an M4.
To each his/her own...j
Illuminaughty said:
getting off topic here, but what the hay.......
think of it this way, a load of 00 buck is like dumping 9 or 12(some have more, i saw a 19 pellet 00buck shell once, i forget what brand) shots from a .32 auto all into a 3 inch group. its like dumping a clip and a half at a badguy all at once and maintaining a 3 inch group. then theres the next shell, and the next, and so on. reloading a shotgun is fast and easy and you can top off capacity at any time(providing the time is allowed. point is that you arent caught with 1 or no shots in the chamber during reload.
BACK ON TOPIC.....................
the question at hand is what is the equivelent of the ak in the shotgun world. mossberg 500. mossbergs are ugly, rattle alot and take alot of abuse before they die. rem 870 (as ive been told, ive never owned one, but ive shot them) are a bit higher class shotguns. just as reliable, just as diehard, but they are usually more refined and prettier. you pay a tad more for the refinement and looks. ive seen a few 870's that rattled like the dickens but few pump guns are rattle-less. ithaca 37 is pretty smooth and rattle resistant. i used to have a old stevens pump that didnt rattle much at all.
Ithaca Model 10?
What was that crazy looking shotgun that was built like a "Bull-Pup". It didn't have a stock but rather a curved metal butt plate right behind the receiver. I seem to recall that it also had a foregrip too. I think it was either a Ithaca or High Standard Model 10? It was VERY short but still legal. Anyone remember?
What was that crazy looking shotgun that was built like a "Bull-Pup". It didn't have a stock but rather a curved metal butt plate right behind the receiver. I seem to recall that it also had a foregrip too. I think it was either a Ithaca or High Standard Model 10? It was VERY short but still legal. Anyone remember?
Its the High Standard Model 10 see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hs-10
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH26-E.HTM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hs-10
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH26-E.HTM
How did you store the Mossy, my family has had a 500 for around 25yrs and there is NO rust on it, and it sat for 15-20 with no use/ maitinence.
I never liked the way the 870 was set up with the safety behind the trigger and the action release in front of the trigger guard. The Mossberg 500 has always been more comfortable to me with the action release right by my middle finger and the safety on top. I also dont like how the elevator is in the down position with the pump forward on the 870, unlike the Mossberg where the elevator is up and out of the way when the pump is forward, making it easier to reload. As far as reliability and durability and rust and all that goes I cant say.
There's been some mention on this thread of military shotguns. My unit uses Mossberg 500s with 18.5'' barrels and pistol grips for door breaching.
There's been some mention on this thread of military shotguns. My unit uses Mossberg 500s with 18.5'' barrels and pistol grips for door breaching.
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I'll confess that so far, that's the ONLY thing I'd change about mine if I could.Mumbles_45 said:
I'm assuming there's a good 'engineering' reason they put it there (and I'll bet at least one on this thread can explain why), but putting it in front of the trigger gaurd would have made more ergonomic sense.
Nem
dfariswheel said:
Even then, the cracked receiver problem only happens with a half-million heavy loads, not everyday upland or clays.
It's something to look out for if you buy an old 870 Competition, a special gas-operated-recoil-compensated single-shot version favored by people who play trap games involving very long range shots and really heavy loads. If they were used just for regular trap, they're very desirable as competition guns.
I haven't heard of other 870s cracking, though it certainly could happen. No load you WANT to shoot will hurt the steel receiver.
To each his own is correct. I like the safety behind the trigger on the 870. Why? I just slide my finger over it while going for the trigger. If its level with the trigger guard, it is RTF, if sticking out, safety is on. No visible verification needed.
As for the door down thing-like that too. I consider it similar in function to the dust cover on an m16/ar15.
Do I dislike mossys? Nope. Youngest brother runs one, and he CAN RUN circles around me and my 870 anytime.
As for the door down thing-like that too. I consider it similar in function to the dust cover on an m16/ar15.
Do I dislike mossys? Nope. Youngest brother runs one, and he CAN RUN circles around me and my 870 anytime.
BozemanMT said:
I love haiku...
But seriously, I've been asking the same question myself. But, even cheaper, I've been asking, "What's the SKS of shotguns?"
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