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What's the best "value" in 1911's around $1k?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Jim PHL, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. silicosys4

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    my sig tacpac for $650 was an amazing value. The gun alone (sig sauer nitron rail 1911) was worth far more, as a feature loaded 1911. Add the holster, laser, and other accessories that comes with the tacpac, and it was a no brainer.

    it shoots very well, as well. EXTREMELY accurate.
     
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  2. Lantern

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    Dang forgot about that little gem! Good call. I'd also give the nightmare carry a hard look.
     
  3. CSG

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    New things have come out since I got my Springfield Loaded but it's everything I want in a 1911 and ran about $750 when I bought it in the mid-2000's.

    Oops, I didn't catch that you were looking for a 9mm version. Sorry.
     
  4. Jim PHL

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    No, problem there, CSG and I heartily agree. I have a Loaded Stainless Government model and it's a great gun. (10 years ago mine was around $670 IIRC) While checking out the Sigs I saw the store also had a "Loaded" Lightweight Champion. Even at today's price of $850 I think they are a great gun and great value. Just not different enough from what I already have to make me jump on it. (I was actually considering a couple of used versions and did not realize SA was still making them. The one at my LGS was NIB.) I just figured if my next 1911 is to be another .45 I want it to be more different from what I already have. Same with the Sig Nightmare Carry. Awesome gun from what I could tell, really impressive, but with already owning 2 - 5" steel .45's the Nightmare Carry was also not "different enough". Beautiful and cool but when you boil it down the only real difference is a 3/4" shorter slide. The bobtail is nice but I'm never gonna carry a steel 1911. A lightweight compact might even give the Shield a run for its money as an EDC or might just turn out to be a fun shooter that is different from what I have already.

    I guarantee if either of the Sigs were in 9mm I would have jumped on one of them. Again, I was there to buy either the EMP or the Defender with cash-in-hand. The Sigs were nice enough to put a hold on to do some homework. (You all HAVE to know how hard it is to be in a gun shop with a grand in your pocket and leave without a new gun!!) I won the April Self-Control Award!
     
  5. smalls

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    The Loaded's are offered in 9mm, too I thought?

    Idk, I'm an STI fanboy. I say pick one of their offerings and never look back :D

    They're one company who seems to have something for everybody, as long as it 's a 1911, haha.
     
  6. dpote

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    I love my Sig Scorpion! But that puts you a bit over the 1K mark. Unless you are military. I got mine at the BX for $924.
    For value, I would go with the Tac Pac. There is a lot of stuff in that package. The BX didn't have that one so I got the Scorpion.
    I would not be comfortable with getting a Para. I shoot with a guy that has one and it's back to the factory for the third time. Maybe he got a Monday or Friday gun.

    Dave
     
  7. Lantern

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    Have you given any thought to the 38 super? The length of the cartridge lends itself to be more reliable than 9mm in the 1911.

    Now I don't have one because I wanted 9mm and its not gonna be a self defense gun. But If i were wanting one for SD I'd give a real hard look at 38 super just from the reliability standpoint.
     
  8. Danny Tumma

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    I have a Smith and Wesson E series. Great shooter. Zero malfunctions. The thing shoots a whole lot straighter than I do.
     
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  9. Jim PHL

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    Lantern; No more calibers for me! I have .22's, .38/.357's, 9mm, .45ACP and 1 @ .380. It's already hard enough to feed this family! I can't really see myself buying a 1911 in anything other than 9mm or .45ACP

    D.Tumma: I've also seen a few REALLY cool S&W's. I recall a Commader model coming in to my LGS and the GM just couldn't bring himself to put it in the case. It went right to the range then right onto his hip! (High praise when you figure the guy could have just about any gun he wants on his hip!)
     
  10. Gun Geezer

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    I thought I'd see at least one "like" for the Colt Defender. Love the way it feels and points, low weight, etc. But I have not bought or shot one.
     
  11. Rex B

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    I have a Para LDA/PDA. It has never failed. It's also the same size as my EMP. There are probably dimensional differences, but I found none that mattered. OAL, thickness, and loaded weight were essentially identical.

    Good gun and worthy of consideration.
     
  12. g_one

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    Might not be what you had in mind but the route I took was to get a $600 Citadel (aka Armscor/Rock Island) then take what was leftover and buy a new trigger, fiber optic front sight, steel MSH, and pay to have them professionally fitted/installed. I absolutely love mine; sure, it's no Dan Wesson but I wouldn't trade it for a Kimber.
     
  13. Jim PHL

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    Well I bought a Sig C3 on my way home from work Friday night! I have never bought a NIB gun before and took so long to get to the range with it! I took it with me to work hoping to get a break at some point but that never happened. I'll try again tomorrow but will likely miss out again. Wednesday after work should be a definite. I really like the look and feel of this gun. Very nice fit and finish but flyin' lead is the true test.
     
  14. Lantern

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    Awesome! Don't forget to tell all the details on your range trip!
     
  15. Jim PHL

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    Range report

    I snuck out at lunch today with my new C3 and popped-off 100 rounds; 50 each PMC Bronze and S&B 230 FMJ. I had field-stripped and cleaned it over the weekend and used the grease Sig packs with the gun for its first lube. (Went a little heavy on the grease as I usually run a new gun pretty wet for the first couple of range sessions.)

    Upon firing, I was surprised that I did not feel like it had much more recoil than my steel 1911's. Noticeably more, definitely, but not as bad as I expected it to be. It was also very accurate. Out to 25 feet it was almost on par with my full-size guns. Everything in the 9- and 10-rings with a few X's. Groups opened up a bit at max distance on the indoor range, which is 45 or 50 feet, I think, but still "Paper-plate accurate" to that distance. I was more focused on function today and also in a bit of a hurry to get back to work. I believe this gun is capable of much more accuracy than I could wring out of it today.

    I had three failures in the first 50 rounds, all with the PMC ammo: two were simple failures to fully return to battery where a simple nudge on the back of the slide sent it fully home and the rounds fired and ejected correctly. The third appeared the same at first but tapping the rear of the slide did not send the slide home. The round also appeared to be slightly oriented toward the inside of the slide where the first two were lined-up straight with the barrel, just not all the way in. I ejected the round and noticed a very small burr or imperfection at the case rim. I had not noticed it when loading the mag so can't be sure if it came out of the box that way or if somehow it got dinged up as it was feeding. This was a PMC round - last one in the box, first one loaded, last one out of the mag with 6 rounds of S&B on top. (I kind of doubt that had anything to do with it but I might as well mention it.) As the burr was very small and the round appeared fine otherwise, I loaded it by itself in a mag and tried it again and it fed, fired and ejected with no issue.

    Overall I am pleased with the fit, finish and accuracy of my new gun. I am never pleased with any failures in any gun but I am not too put-off by three minor occurrences within the first 50 rounds from a NIB 1911. (The last three guns I've bought new in the last few years have all been perfect out of the box, including a Colt 1991.) Like any other gun, I will run a couple hundred error-free rounds through this before I would trust it for defensive purposes, but my initial impressions are very good and I believe it will get there. I did not buy this specifically to be a carry gun, anyway, and it may not actually be carried that much, even after it proves itself. I am definitely happy with it. It's a very handsome and pretty cool little pistol.
     
  16. DC Plumber

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    Congrats on the Sig purchase. Are your failures due to the fact that the grip frame is short and you may have limp wristed?

    I'd post a pic of my two Sigs, an XO and a Fastback Carry, but I don't know how to post a picture. Absolutely love them. Excellent fit and finish. Have yet to fire the Fastback, but the XO is flawless, even with a starting load with LSWC bullets for target shooting.
     
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    Limp wrist a 1911??????
     
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    I've had bad luck with recent boxes of PMC Bronze - had 2 boxes, both had some rounds that wouldn't chamber. Took them out and looked at them and they had burrs as described below. Wouldn't feed in an otherwise 100% reliable gun - I'm avoiding PMC in .45 for a while, which is tough in an ammo shortage situation...
     
  19. MagnunJoe

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    Colt Govt. 70 series. They go for about 1k new
     
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    Colt Defender or New Agent
     
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    Two guns come to my mind:

    1. I recently bought one of the new Sig "Fastback Carry", Nitron coated 4" 1911s. Great value for ~$800-$900. Nicely bobbed mainspring, checkered front strap and a very nicely fitted slide. It's definitely not a rattle trap. The trigger gets better and better as I shoot it. The Fastback Carry comes with nice rosewood grips, and the "Nightmare" model comes with black (G10 I think?) grips. No reliability issues.

    2. I think the new Rugers are a steal. If you can find one of the 4" ones, I think it would be a great little gun. A friend has the 5" and it's one of the best deals going. Very nice pistol.
     
  22. Infidel4life11

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    The Sig gets my vote I bought one for my dad last year for fathers day. I liked it so much I ordered one for me too. When my dad and I hit the range it was amazing, smooth, low recoil compared to other 1911s. I loved it. When I got mine in a customer came in and had it have it so I let mine go and regret it everyday.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=663710
     
  23. mrcylinder

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    Just my 2 cents!

    I would look at a decent all around mid price gun with the intent on accurizing/customizing it the way you want. You will end up spending less in the long run and know what you have, they usually will bring more money if you need to sell also! Many of today's so called match grade and custom guns still need a lot of TLC to make Top Notch!
     
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    Magnum Research Desert Eagle 1911 4.33 brl. Nice trigger and seems a little lighter than my RI was. The roll mark is a little gawdy, but I dont notice it anymore. Its definetly a good shooter. Way to many choices out there.
     
  25. VetPsychWars

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    Indeed, some people still (erroneously) believe this.

    A properly-timed 1911 can be shot all day and night with the loosest hold you can imagine.

    Properly-timed, of course, means you're shooting 230gr ammo with stock parts and stock springs.

    Tom
     
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