What's the Latest on MILITEC 1?

[Confederate]

Ah, for all sliding surfaces, I want to use either Mititec or WeaponShield. I like lubes that are light, last a long time and don't attract debris, dust or what not. After I get through lubing it with something like Militec, using a CLP would be redundant if I'm going to put something like Eezox on it. As I see it, a good lube should make cleaning with Hoppes fairly easy. Then the lube goes back on, then the conditioner/preserver/treatment. After all, there's probably such a thing as putting too much gunk on a gun.

My guns are mostly stainless, and from what I understand, a little Militec on the rails and/or in the joints is probably all a gun needs. I've been using a product called Gunslick that's pretty good, but it's black and kind of greasy.

Fortunately, unlike Ze, my body chemistry is fairly forgiving, though using a good soap like Lava will generally get all the excess oils out of one's skin before handling one's steels.

 

[usp9]

Well, what is good for corrosion?

Ballistol is another product highly rated for rust prevention. It's a good lube and fair cleaner too.

 

[Confederate]

At this point, perhaps it's a appropriate to ask, what constitutes a good:

1. Cleaner?
2. Lubrcant?
3. Preserver?

Is it fair to say that no one makes a product that excels at all three?

Nay, saith the Army! BreakFree, which it calls Mil-Spec CLP, does all three just swell. Maybe it's not the best at all three, but it'll do.

But others say lubrication is what makes a machine gun or auto pistol reliable, thus, it is the most important aspect of the three. In fact, a half-ass lube can get troops killed, so finding a CLP trade-off is folly.

 

[ClarkEMyers]

Maybe so but I thought BreakFree and Mil-Spec CLP had diverged a long time ago? Once the same and no longer?

Hoppes #9 worked better with benzene in it than it did with the same formula but no benzene - I think today's revised formula does as well as the original but there was a time in between it didn't do everything it claimed.

It's been a long time since I shook up a can of DrySlide (query spelling) because that was the hot tip long ago and far away. Products do come and go and I suppose always work as well as they once did. Just as I do believe the oil in my automobile is better today I do believe some of the new products have advantages - perhaps the advantages are wasted.

 

[Cowtown Cop]

IMHO there is probably not a lot of difference in the massive quantity of gun oils, grease, lube , cleaner, protector, conditioner, moisturizers and highlight enhancers out there. The companies must market their product so you will buy it. All guns except for stainless steel have some sort of finish on them that will keep anything from "soaking into the steel". MILITEC was used by my department for about 5 years because it was supposed to not evaporate in hot climates as bad as a lighter weight oil. We also used Breakfree CLP and Hoppes, along with several other "snake oil" products. We buy them because they sound neat and I like neat stuff. Most of them work pretty good for the job intended. They all have something in common. If you use to much its bad and your gun wont work, and if you dont use enough its bad and your gun wont work. Think happy medium and watch out for products that claim to have advanced healing properties and high tech bonding Niobium particles suspended in the sweat of Chuck Norris.

 

[Confederate]

The thing that finally convinced me there's substance to the MILITEC-1 argument is that you have a LOT of service people spending their own money buying it. Now that in and of itself means little, but I've used BreakFree for years. Also Tri-Flon. Both are good for my uses, but I go downstairs in my safe room and all my CLP bottles have crud all over them. Not just oily stuff but the gunk in the air that it's attracted. Put the stuff on a gun's surface then wipe it down with a dry cloth. Then put the gun in some sand and grit and I guarantee you'll have some of it sticking to the gun.

Maj. Gen. Roger A. Nadeau, commander, Army Research, Development and Engineering Command, says there are only two products that should be used on any of the military’s weapons and weapons systems, BreakFree and Royal (Mil-Spec-1). But what about the gunk? Not to worry! The general says: “Even if the manual says you should clean your weapon twice a day, if you’ve got time, clean it four times a day, if you’ve got more time, clean it eight times a day because the one time you didn’t clean it may be the time it jams.”

Well, my philosophy is that your weapon shouldn’t jam. And if it is jamming, then either the parts of the action aren’t meshing together as they should or there’s something, normally debris, that kicking around in the parts that’s keeping it from working. A weapon can be slick as a whistle after cleaning and lubricating with CLP, but wind blows grit and other particles in and through your weapon all day and cleaning is the only answer if you’re using sticky CLP. And I’d hate to think people were dying because flag officers were too bone headed to do the right thing.

Look how long it took to get helmets that deflected small arms fire. The Israelis were using helmets that deflected .45, 9mm and maybe even some rifle ammo back in the 70s, but a 9mm round would puncture the old G.I. helmet the Army and Marine Corps had used since WWII.

So instead of having our troops cleaning their weapons all day every day, why not give them an effective, "dry" lubricant that works? Then if we ever end up in Viet Nam again, we'll have to find something that will protect against corrosion as well.

 

[rero360]

I used Militec on all my weapons while i was over in Iraq, including the M9, M4 with 203, M249, M240B, and M2 at one time or another. I never had a single malfunction (granted i really didn't do a whole lot of shooting) but i did find it to attract less dust and grit than the other lubes being used by others. I also found I didn't need to use as much as other types of lube. Is it a majic bullet? no, you still have to clean your weapon and all that, but its a good one.

I wrote to them while I was in Iraq and they sent me a good number of bottles of their lube for free, I think they are a great company, once i run out of what I still have (alot) I'll be ordering more from them.

 

[.45&TKD]

I use FP-10. Cleans and protect against corrosion, which Miltec does not do.

 

[Confederate]

A number of years ago, a friend of mine moved to Texas and gave me a bunch of his cleaning supplies. He gave me a bunch of BreakFree and a bunch of FP-10, which I just found down in my work room stuffed in a box with some cleaning rags and rods. We shot a lot, back then, and the honest to goodness truth is that we couldn't tell much of a difference between many of the products. Neither of us liked BreakFree or FP-10 for cleaning. The FP-10 had a teeny applicator, which I liked, and both were decent lubricants but, as I've said above, my BreakFree bottle was kind of sticky after awhile. Checking the FP-10, well, it was a bit sticky, too.

I'd really like to try Weapon Shield, so I tried ordering three 4 oz. bottles from MidwayUSA today. So after putting in a large order for some other things, I learn they only had one (1) bottle of the stuff. So I ordered that one bottle and will add it to the other gunk downstairs.

I would like to ask those who have tried Weapon Shield, does it go on slick and dry, like Militec-1? Or is there an oily residue? In short, if someone were serving in Iraq as a soldier, would the Weapon Shield be just as apt to provide the lubrication without attracting grit? Also, is it something that could be added to the crankcase of a car like Militec-1?

 

[1SOW]

I started using Militec, because it came with my Sig.

I follow the instructions included : on and in the Bbl, and high friction areas on the slide and recoil spring.. It works as advertised where it gets heated through friction or artificially. I even bought a heat gun, but my wife gets mad when I borrow her "Ov-Glove" to hold the parts.

I'm NOT confident about using it as an oil (unheated). I still use very small amounts of Rem-oil on other areas for lube and corrosion control.

When I get home from the range I run dry patches through the Bbl and wipe/rub/brush residue off the feed ramp, slide rails, and other areas. I occasionally treat the mag shells inside and out and use the heatgun to bond it. Everything treated really wipes clean easily, but I don't use unjacketed lead bullets.

After I do the dry cleaning, I redo the same areas with a patch and a bore swab with a very small amount of Militec on them. I keep them in a plastic zip-lock bag to reuse .

I use Hoppes or Shooters Choice after about 700-1000 rds, and start over again with the Militec and rem-oil. No trouble - No corrosion.

I'm ret. military and Militec sent me the small bottle for just the shipping cost. You just have to tell them you're military + rank on the order. It came US mail within 3 days.
I'm a believer.

P.S. Does anyone remember "Slick 50"? -))

 

[PPGMD]

I'm NOT confident about using it as an oil (unheated). I still use very small amounts of Rem-oil on other areas for lube and corrosion control.

I am thinking about trying the Militec-1 grease for those areas.

 

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[Average Joe]

Try this experiment at home:

Take two common nails, and coat one with Militec-1 , and the other with Breakfree CLP. Place each nail in a cup of water, come back in 12 hours. You will have your answer on which is better for corrosion.

 

[Boom Vang]

Since I don't normally - or in fact under any circumstances - store my firearms under water, I fail to see the relevance of this test.

I do carry, shoot and generally use my firearms a great deal. And for those purposes I've found Militec-1 to be the best of the lot.

In dry and wet weather, in hot and cold temperatures, it works. Lubed with Militec, I've used my guns in the rain, and not having the time to throughly clean them, wiped them off and tossed them in the safe. A couple days there is no rust or "corrosion" on them that wouldn't wipe off with a rag.

Anyone who is concerned about corrosion in some 100% humidity chamber, should be addressing other issues regarding how and where they store their firearms.

 

[ArmedBear]

CLP is mediocre as a lubricant, since it gums up with fouling, and dries.

To prevent rust, I prefer Bullfrog Rusthunter. Not greasy, and it works well.

I've used Militec now on .22 semiauto pistols and rifles, centerfire revolvers, semiauto pistols, and semiauto rifles. It works well, with the one possible exception that excess .22 fouling does seem to gum it up after a while.

I'm sold on the stuff, myself, where it's appropriate. Militec is a great lubricant, because as others have said, it's NOT a solvent.

I use CLP, but mostly as a solvent now, wipe it off, and use Militec as a lube.

 

[orionengnr]

I have tried the Militec, the FP10, the Weaponshield and many others. All of them sit on my shelf, mostly 1/2 full or more. I have not seen any evidence to support the "bonding", "treating", etc.

I'm sticking with Eezox.

 

[usp9]

I use Militec on all my pistols, conditioner, lube and grease. I use Eezox too, but mainly as a cleaner.