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What's the next shoe to drop in Federal legislation?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sgt.Murtaugh, Nov 11, 2015.

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  1. sdlsaginaw

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    If you're going to list de facto single party States you'd better include Oregon.

    At this time the Democrats fully control everything here. Any liberal dream legislation can be written up, passed along party lines by supermajority, and signed directly into law by our unelected Governor. By simply including the words "declares an emergency" they even completely eliminate the referendum process so it becomes law upon signing. This is what they did with UBC here, from bill to law without a public vote (and, because it was "an emergency", a public vote was specifically disallowed)

    Voting does no good (yes, I vote anyway). Everything is controlled by the blue parts of the State, especially the Portland area. That area is typically last to be counted (a bit suspicious?). I don't know how many times I've watched the numbers come in and things are lining up reasonably conservative. Then, Multnomah County gets counted and everything swaps.

    We've even attempted recalls, but they're dug in like ticks. With the Floyd Prozanski recall they didn't even count the signatures. They did some statistical smoke-and-mirrors and declared it was probably short.
     
  2. TwoFirstNames

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    To be fair, a single-party system is far from ideal, regardless of which side runs things. Idaho is about as single-party Republican as is gets, but all is not perfect here.
    That said, I would like to second MachIVshooter. Views often change over time. I also fall in the "Oregon Trail" generation. As I mentioned in another thread, my parents, while not necessarily anti-gun, they are certainly not pro-gun either. My father-in-law got me into shooting. I now have firearms and enjoy shooting, and will teach my children, and their cousins, if I get the chance.
    Take home message? Giving money to NRA, etc., is good, and essential, for the short term, but the ONLY long term solution is to take someone new shooting at every opportunity.
     
  3. yokel

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    There is no comparison!

    Freedom certainly is at risk in those deep blue cesspool states where elected leaders and appointed judges believe that fundamental rights are merely "political rights". If that is true, then politicians-- and the judges they appoint -- can abridge, alter or even eliminate them and the Constitution and Bill of Rights have been reduced to just rotting sheets of antique paper, the quaint relics of a dead dream.

    A biased politician or judge that is ideologically driven by prejudice and ignorance is one of the vilest and most dangerous of despots and harms the fiber of American society.
     
  4. Swing

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    In the very near term, I don't see anything pro or anti-RKBA at the federal level. The Republicans aren't going to let anything through congress that is anti-2A, particularly in this heated election cycle. And anything that is pro-2A is going to be immediately vetoed by POTUS.

    The battles is now at the state level. What has been done in NY, CO, WA, and OR is a good indicator of that. On the flip side, some states have passed some pro-RKBA legislation too.

    P.S. As a collector of NFA items, I'd like to see silencers deregulated, but it isn't happening with the present administration. I have doubts a Republican president would sign it as a stand alone bill considering what the press would say. The tax and paperwork is just an annoyance this point, though I will say 41P will make things more obnoxious.
     
  5. TruthTellers

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    I'm not giving up, I'll fight to my last breath when the time comes. I'm just coming up with solutions to the future problems likely to be faced.

    There's absolutly nothing I can do besides voting against the antis, but I'm outnumbered where I live and I can only vote once. Every year they send down to the statehouse more dems who talk about raising taxes and expanding state medical coverage and food stamps. I can't talk sense to people who only think about what the government will give them.

    That's not giving up, it's accepting reality and planning accordingly.
     
  6. ColoradoShooter77

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    Colorado is not far behind Oregon saginaw.....I feel your pain!
     
  7. The Alaskan

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    Sure I can vote for a guy who will protect my rights, but he'll send my job overseas. I can vote for a guy who will stand up for traditional moral values, but he'll increase my taxes and give them to people with more money than me. I can vote for a guy who will who will support my right to collective bargaining, but he'll also increase my taxes and give them to people who won't work at all.

    Neither side can get it right, and there is no in between. What this country needs is leadership, and that's as rare as hen's teeth.
     
  8. mnrivrat

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    I'll make my point short:

    I would certainly expect a significant effort on the part of Obama and his political followers in the democratic party to attempt more regulations on firearms by any means possible.
    I expect they will throw whatever they can at their cause in an attempt to make something stick. Obama will not leave office without trying something more . So stay informed and active.
     
  9. BSA1

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    Spot on point! With just over 13 months left in office Obama has no accountability for his actions. He is more dangerous than a coiled rattlesnake at this point. Remember he has repeatedly said he will ignore the Constitution to do things he wants done if Congress won't go along with him.
     
  10. courier de bois

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    Hum. Going back to the original post, I have no issue with a national mental restriction. I don't want nutcases walking near my family or even my mailbox, never mind having more than a sharp stick. Or worst yet... voting. EVERY mass shooting in history was by a nutcase. They are dragging us in the mud. A bit of 'vetting'? in general, never mind gun permits- keeps the more squared away folks in a better ? light? I have seen 'pump action' AR's and AK's... for people who can't own semi autos. If that's the case, maybe they shouldn't have a pump action bug sprayer? A mad scientist could make a weapon out of even that, so let's once again do something about the madman... so the bug sprayer will remain unrestricted...
    I wouldn't doubt silencers end up with a cheaper tax, but not free and easy. And like the rest of it, state by state either way...
    After this sickening horror show in Paris, everything else around the rest of the free world is in a filing cabinet by lunchtime tomorrow. Unfortunately, that's what's nice about 'having an enemy aboard'.
     
  11. Kaeto

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    But who decides that a person is a "nutcase" ? A Doctor ? , A Bureaucrat ? , A Law Enforcement Officer ?
     
  12. Leanwolf

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    TRUTH TELLERS - " ... There's absolutely nothing I can do besides voting against the antis, but I'm outnumbered where I live and I can only vote once. "

    If you'd register as a Democrat, you could vote seven or eight times and your dog could vote twice. ;)

    L.W.
     
  13. TruthTellers

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    Twice? He could vote thrice: twice while alive and once after he dies.
     
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    Exactly! Liberals think everybody that posts in this forum is a nut case lol!
     
  15. barnbwt

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    "There's absolutely nothing I can do"
    -You can volunteer to be a test-case for your local moronic laws
    -You can run for local office (I suspect those in your vicinity are more like-minded than you realize)
    -You can become an activist for local pro-rights groups
    -You can donate time/money to the same
    -You can leave the area, and cease feeding the beasts your hard-earned tax dollars

    Much like finding a multitude of reasons to claim you can't vote for anybody, it's easy to say there's nothing you can do for your situation. If there were really nothing you could do, you'd already be in a lawless situation and be contemplating lawless solutions. The truth is that most folks in these places simply aren't willing or able to do what is necessary for gains, given the other competing demands in their life. The RKBA becomes too expensive, in other words. Like anything that isn't affordable, complaining that you can't afford it won't get it bought any faster, nor will it convince others to buy it for you. You're better off coming to grips with your priorities, and focusing on getting/protecting what is most important to you, instead of dwelling on what you can't have.

    TCB
     
  16. gbw

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    Like many I don't see too much chance for significant laws changing at the federal level. Even the universal background check probably won't get far once everyone realizes that it REQUIRES universal registration of every firearm or it cannot work.

    That doesn't matters much.

    Never forget Heller and MacDonald, which confirm your 2A constitutional rights, were won at the Supreme Court by one vote.

    The real danger is the wrong person winning the White House. Several Supreme Court justices will not last another 8 years, and the president will fill the vacancies. Justices are appointed for life. If it's the wrong president, a change in the Supreme Court makeup against the 2A is nearly certain. Legislation won't matter. The tide will have turned against us, perhaps irrevocably.

    It then becomes only a matter of time before nearly any law restricting guns will be OK and we will have lost.

    Vote. Be sure everyone you know votes. Be sure reliable strangers vote.
     
  17. steelerdude99

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    There are many who don't know that UBC's hidden teeth are registration and transfer restrictions (i.e non-close relative needs UBC t even hold a gun). Like that Grubber guy and Obamacare, many depending on the ignorance of the US voter to get it to pass.

    chuck
     
  18. yokel

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    While we’ve all been guilty (myself included) of a glib remark on occasion, a non-stop assault of condescending and snarky remarks toward either a specific individual or a forum in general is obviously not useful or good for morale.
     
  19. jerkface11

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    Right now they want "universal background checks". Then they'll make it an automatic denial if the check takes more than 3 days. Then they'll forget to pay the phonebill at NICS.
     
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  21. alsaqr

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    Neither of those SCOTUS decisions were resounding affirmations of our Second amendment rights. From Heller:

    Since the Heller decision SCOTUS has declined to grant cert in several Second Amendment cases even in the face of appeals courts splits. Presently there is a case before SCOTUS: Friedman vs The City of Highland Park, IL. It involves the banning of "assault weapons"by that city. SCOTUS has kicked that case down the road five times. In order for SCOTUS to accept the appeal four justices must agree to grant cert: So far that has not happened.
     
  22. Sgt.Murtaugh

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    some of you also act like 2nd amendment rights are the only thing people should be basing their votes on. IT's a huge part of my decision on who to vote for but my god these candidates are all garbage. I honestly have no idea who i'm going to vote for at the presidential election.
     
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    I believe there is some evidence to support that. =)
     
  25. ColoradoShooter77

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    Next year, nobody should care what Obama has to say....Lame Duck with a capital "L".

    Exactly didley squat will happen, that's my prediction.

    If having a purist view of the 2-A makes me a nutcase in a few people's eyes....so be it.....don't care!
     
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