What's the word on that Kel-tec bullpup?

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Yeah, but the M1A does have quite expensive mags...and it ain't a bullpup. High-end .308 rifles aren't cheap...
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Yes, but its ugly as sin and well....its a bullpup :neener:

Personally, if I had that kind of money to spend I'd drop it on an M1A in a heartbeat, but then I've always had a soft spot for those. The Kel-Tec is interesting, but not worth $1800 to me. Might be worth it for some of y'all, but to each his own.
 
I think its important to note that this is an attempt at a new market for Kel-Tec. This is suppose to be a military grade weapon and not some economical pocket pistol. Just a thought, for those of you who wouldn't buy one simply on the account of it bieng a Kel-Tec. I mean seriously, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FOR $200? Sheesh...
 
I don't expect too much for $200. For $1800 I expect something. Keltec's problem with their pistols lies in their QC. The fact that most of the pistols work straight from the box and the others can be tweaked to work shows there isn't a design problem. For nearly 2 grand, there better be some QC. I don't want to hear about fluff 'n buff or send it to the factory at that price point. That much money is too much for me to casually spend. I'd need a pretty substantial amount of proof that Keltec is doing it right before I'd consider buying one. Videos of a couple guys firing a prototype isn't enough.
 
I think its important to note that this is an attempt at a new market for Kel-Tec. This is suppose to be a military grade weapon and not some economical pocket pistol. Just a thought, for those of you who wouldn't buy one simply on the account of it bieng a Kel-Tec. I mean seriously, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FOR $200? Sheesh...
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Like joe said, for $200 I'd put up with a trip to the factory, or some tuning, to get a super lightweight carry gun. I just spent about $1200 on my first AR (and my most expensive weapon to date). That was for a new CMMG m4gery with eotech, mi buis, and the original carry handle. For $1800 I would expect this new kel-tec to equal or exceed that quality. It would have to be freakin perfect to put it simply. Maybe kel-tec can do it and earn some more respect from gun owners, who knows, I hope they can. Even if they do thats a heck of a lot of money.
 
For contrast, the Chinese Type 97 bullpup just came out in Canda (civilian version of the QB-95 assault rifle).

They're charging a good C$1400 or more for it, and I'd imagine Norinco ammortized their tooling-up costs ages ago.

It is neat to see an American-made bullpup, especially since I'd love to get a FAMAS or Type 97 but can't. Or I could be one of the few Americans to get busted smuggling guns from Canada to the US...

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Cool footage: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_BZQFN9AJ4&mode=related&search=

I hope it sells well enough that they'll consider a .223 version, but I suppose that would involve a lot of changes for a smaller receiver/bolt, etc.
 
You know what bugs me most? The RFB uses a FAL style tilting bolt. The tilting bolt is not all that great for accuracy as the bolt always seats differently after each shot.

I really appreciate my AK now.......
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Complaints about hypothetical accuracy issues with a largely still vaporware rifle and praise for the AK as an alternative should probably not occur in the same post. :)
 
Complaints about hypothetical accuracy issues with a largely still vaporware rifle and praise for the AK as an alternative should probably not occur in the same post
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The AK comment was because of the simplicity of the design, which obviously the RFB does not share, in my opinion.
 
The latest I’ve read is, Kel-Tec is testing a fourth barrel for their Bullpup. It’s a 26” fluted stainless steel barrel.
 
So what if sand got into the ejection port? Mud? What if you swing the rifle to the side only to have a shell fall right in front of the barrel while firing?

I'm just being a pessimist: )
 
I believe the empties are positively ejected and shoved should an obstruction take place. As the bolt strips the next round, it is also shoving the last empty forward.

Creating brass shrapnel at the muzzle would be kinda a concern...

Justin
 
Possible, but incredibly unlikely. If you were rotating in place while firing with the rifle tilted to the side, in the wind...then I'm thinking you probably have bigger concerns than clipping the brass.
 
Possible, but incredibly unlikely. If you were rotating in place while firing with the rifle tilted to the side, in the wind...then I'm thinking you probably have bigger concerns than clipping the brass.
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I can see the RFB manual now...

*WARNING* If you are a Whirling Dervish, do NOT fire your RFB "gangsta" style in windy conditions. Firing your RFB sideways while twirling in high winds may result in injury or death.
 
I would never buy another kel-tec had the su-ca and it was an expensive water gun after breaking 4 times I sent it back for the last time got my money back and with a little more built a nice AR. Why would you spend that kind of money when you could have a FAL or even better a Scout or Socom M1a?
 
Why would you spend that kind of money when you could have a FAL or even better a Scout or Socom M1a?
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Because it will be lighter, more compact, AND have a proper length barrel to take advantage of a .308 round (~23" opposed to a 16" FAL-- which has a longer OAL!)

And because bullpups are cool in my book :)

Justin
 
At world.guns there's a picture of the ur-RFB prototype in .223. Why they didn't just de-mothball that and start making it, as opposed to creating a new rifle in .308 is beyond me.
 
At world.guns there's a picture of the ur-RFB prototype in .223. Why they didn't just de-mothball that and start making it, as opposed to creating a new rifle in .308 is beyond me.
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I’m guessing starting with the .308 version was a marketing choice. No other .308 semi-auto bull pups were on the US market when Kel-Tec decided to produce the RFB. They are hoping to support the $1,800 price by providing a rifle no one else has. If they get decent sales I’m guessing they will expand to .223 to compete with the FS200, AUG, Mini-14 bull pup kits, etc.
 
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We need a modern .308 autoloader - everything on the market now dates back to the 50s. In contrast, there are piles of fairly recent .223 designs out there. Every .223 niche is pretty well covered.
 
It's on the top of the list.

I started saving as soon as I finished watching the youtube vid. My god its everything I dreamed it would be!
 
*WARNING* If you are a Whirling Dervish, do NOT fire your RFB "gangsta" style in windy conditions. Firing your RFB sideways while twirling in high winds may result in injury or death.
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I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there.:D

At world.guns there's a picture of the ur-RFB prototype in .223. Why they didn't just de-mothball that and start making it, as opposed to creating a new rifle in .308 is beyond me.
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I agree. They could also build it in 6.8SPC, 6.5G or possibly 7.62x39. The 308 does make a statement though, hopefully the smaller/lighter version will follow.
 
So what if sand got into the ejection port? Mud? What if you swing the rifle to the side only to have a shell fall right in front of the barrel while firing?

I'm just being a pessimist: )
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The Kel-Tec took the ejection system from the FN2000 which is a well developed weapons system that ejects out of the front. They didn't pioneer anything.

Here's a video of the FN with it's dust cover closed and the ejection tube loaded with empty casings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cHggRcBKo

As you can see, it works just fine.
 
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