What's wrong with a Taurus

[Russ Jackson]

I traded it to my local gun dealer who said he would send it back and give them the business. I was buying a AR15 at the time. I did not have another revolver who's koolaid I was drinking either.
I'm not sure if this pic will work or not.
It's a poor pic but you can see the damage to the hinge from the lead that it was shaving. This is a pic that was taken after the 3rd trip back.

Going bang is important, but keeping lead out of my face is more important. I had the Tracker in .357. I sent it back three times for the same problem. Each time they sent it back with the same parts and the words "Fixed" on the paper work. It took at least 4 weeks each time.
After the third time back I sold it to someone that had more patience then I. They sent it back again and then sold it. I have no idea the current status.
I would rather not play russian roulette with my revolvers.

Two quotes one gun two different end scenarios. One sold one traded. Does not add up. Plus if he did trade it to the local guy and was so upset why didn't you ask what happened?...Russ

 

[krupparms]

What good is a life time warranty? If the gun will not work NIB.! I had 5 others shoot the gun &the rep.at Taurus said we all were not holding it right? 5others + me! He stated that they (Taurus )had no failures with feeding or fireing! All of us never made it tru 1 mag. Like I said, you keep your Taurus & I will keep what I want! It's all cool!

 

[MMCSRET]

From my stand point; I'm kind of glad so many people trade or sell their Taurus revolvers. I buy used Taurus and have never had a problem with them. Keepem' comin' Taurus Bashers, you're maken' it easier and better for me. I'm headed into the big city today, gotta stop and see if there are any more used Taurus or Colts out. Oh, I've got my shot card up to date, otherwise I wouldn't venture into the city.

 

[Sam1911]

Hey Russ! Glad your back...

Did you have a chance to look at this?

The only people who hate newer Taurus guns are the ones who own something else and feel bad about paying hundreds more for less gun. Example would be Raging Bull vs Redhawk. If you start comparing the two. The Ruger owners who have never even fired one go nuts. Then when Taurus owners start defending a great gun the Mods will shut the thread down. Watch...Russ

Russ, that's a plainly false statement on several levels. Here's the thread you're misremembering: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=628664

Notes: 1) there are lots of folks responding who have (and do) own both guns, and still make a nearly unanimous choice (but I'm not going to tell you which gun they chose -- you'll have to read the thread again to find out ) and, 2) the thread is still open, even though a very vocal Taurus owner posted heavily in defense of the brand.

I thought we had a productive conversation there that ended fairly amicably, yet you seem to be unhappy about it. Why?

 

[amd6547]

Well...I have read plenty of Taurus bashing threads over the last few years. Yet, having never owned a Taurus product, I was willing to give them a chance with the PT22 I bought. I figured it was a Taurus copy of the Beretta Bobcat, it would be OK.
What a mistake.
I mean, really...a 22LR that keyholes? Light strikes?
Taurus did pay to ship it back to Miami...it was delivered 12/14...got an email saying it was recieved 12/19.
That is where it stands.
When it comes back, I will try it out at the range. If it still has problems, I will take it to the gun show and look for one of these Taurus lovers here and sell it to them...I will probably tell them how great Taurus is and how they get a bad rap...and quickly disappear into the crowd with their money.

 

[HoboCoastie]

Without being a fanboy for any manufacturer, I'll say that I do NOT buy Taurus for the following reasons:

1) I've heard too many stories about people having problems with Taurus.

2) I KNOW people who have had problems with their Taurus.

When it's all about going bang and ensuring my continuing life, why take a chance? I don't want to die simply because I wanted to save a few bucks on my firearm.

Taurus banks on the fact that most people don't shoot their guns often. When it comes to American and European firearm companies, you're looking at over 150 years of metalurgical rifinement.

There's a lot of people buying these Philipino 1911's through various importers and they say they love them. Rock Island is one. I hear that after a couple thousand rounds, they start to rattle and get sloppy. No staying power.

There's people out there still shooting their Great Granddad's Colt with no problems/worries whatsoever.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

two quotes one gun two different end scenarios

Russ, I'm not following your logic. Why couldn't his "local gun dealer" & "someone with more patience than I" be the same guy? Is it his "trade" vs. "sold" inconsistency that has prompted your "GOTCHA'"? Dang, you DTs (Defenders of Taurus) sure seem to catch every detail...except the main one.

 

[Ryanxia]

I love Taurus. Just my opinion

 

[wingman]

Never been a Taurus fan due mostly to negative feed back from the Internet, however couple years back I went looking for a mouse gun and found the TCP it fit my hand trigger seemed better then the Ruger lcp so I now own a TCP, it's accurate,fun,easy to maintain,no ftf's to date with commerical and reloads.

Honestly I believe the problem with Taurus is two fold poor quality control and far too many models, prefect the ones you have rather then add new nonworking products, I believe its the luck of the draw I happened to get a good one but as of yet not a huge fan of the brand.

 

[Shipwreck]

The truth is that Taurus quality sucks IN MY OPINION. And yes, this same thread will be started in 2-4 weeks again... And, another month after that... Over and over.... The same people who hate Taurus will reply. And the guys who like the gun and get riled up at the detractors will come back - and, they will post how great their Taurus gun is, and that ANYONE who says anything negative must have some sort of agenda or are repeating what they heard.

And, for every guy who reports 3-5 "Taurus experiences" that made them want to pull their hair out, the pro-Taurus owners will use they 1-2 GOOD experiences to try to convince everyone else that the other person must be liars...

This argument can't be won. I would not own a Taurus if you GAVE me one. Decide yourself. Yes, this is the internet. Yes, anyone can say anything. But, if you go on enough forums and see negative stuff said about 1 brand 5-10x or 20 x more than any other brand... Something must be up with that, right?

And/or - if you had the "Taurus experience" yourself and had enough, in combination with all the things ya read... We'll, then only a crazy person wouldn't put 2 and 2 together to figure things out.

 

[scgunslinger]

on the cheap

It would not surprise me if Taurus sold more guns than most other brands. Lifetime warranty to any owner and cheaper to buy up front to, man what a deal. You can buy a used one and no worry. Not so with my colt or ruger. That’s why china is doing so well most people will buy the cheaper brand which is killing us little by little with no end in sight. I am guilty as well. That being said my 6 year old taurus is the only hand gun that I have sent back to be repaired for a locked up cylinder. It was promptly fixed cleaned to look new again and returned. I will never complain with their service. I promptly sold it while it looked so good and bought a ruger. Whats the old saying about a duck. Even with that being said I wish I could afford a new colt. Unfortunately in this life most things have to be experienced.

 

[LawScholar]

Extremely simple question for the Taurus loyalists:

If we who strongly advise against Taurus due to personal experience and friends' experience were simply lying and exaggerating to justify more expensive firearms, then why would almost any of us wholly recommend a Ruger P95, a $309 gun?

 

[LawScholar]

My uncle's sister said that her grandson girlfrieds ex-boy friends brothers uncle had a Taurus and it was Junk. I do not know why but i have read on the internet that they are Junk and we all know that everything on the internet is true. I am not an expert but I do have a rather big collection of air soft firearms and I have Call of Duty MW3 and can kick ass.

Did you read the thread? Almost all Taurus horror stories here are firsthand. All the ad hominems and straw mans in the world from the Taurus loyal won't change that.

 

[amd6547]

Ok masterblaster, when my PT22 gets back from Taurus, I will give you a great deal on it. After all, it is like new...hardly any rounds through it, plus it has the special Taurus sideways bullet impact feature.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

I'm all in for everyone's opinion. I don't weigh credibility with how long you've been here or your number of posts. A friendly, rough-and-tumble discussion (preferably with first-person narrative & first-hand experience) suits me fine. But every (SINGLE) one of these "What Wrong with Taurus?" threads are as predictable as ice in January. It's like a Cleveland Indians fan (*no disrespect intended) arguing that their reserved box-seats are a better value than those at Busch Memorial or Yankee Stadium because they're cheaper & they still get to watch Pro Baseball. Yes, all that's true. But it's also true that you get disappointed EVERY SINGLE YEAR & you almost never get to watch CHAMPIONSHIP Baseball unless the Cards, the Yankees, etc. are visiting. (*note - I do NOT hate the Cleveland Indians, and their fans are smarter than to make that claim)

Simple Challenge - Name one, single credible (non-Brazilian) LE Agency, Military Organization or Professional Shooter who approves, endorses, or shoots a Taurus product and I will never (ever) make another negative statement about Taurus Inc. So help me GLOCK. Or, are y'all gonna' spew that all those guys have an unfair, unfounded, anti-Taurus agenda as well?

 

[LawScholar]

^ since l'm sure Taurus has some sort of competitive team, I'm going to add the caveat to his challenge that the endorsing professional shooter can't be part of Team Taurus.

 

[coolluke01]

Russ.
I'm sorry to confuse you. I can see where the misunderstanding is. For simplicity I said I sold the gun. It was the same gun that I actually traded to the dealer who had more patience than I.
In the future I will try and spell everything out simply so as to avoid confusion. Even with my poor experience with Taurus I would have still been willing to risk it and try one more. Even though I lost about $200 on the deal where I had to end up trading it in. But now I don't think so. A blind following is more of a deterrent than bad experience.
Russ, I thank you for helping me come to my senses and forever avoid Taurus guns.

 

[coolluke01]

Oh and the dealer got the gun back and sold it before I could see what kind of luck he had with Taurus's CS. I hope the fixed it after the 4th try. Otherwise some poor schmuck out there will get blasted by lead when he shoots it.

 

[Steve H]

I have 4 different Taurus. A PT 1911 - for the price it's not bad. It is reliable but I don't like the ambi safety nor the hammer lock. If I keep it those are going to get changed out.

A PT 111 9mm - never again, at 7 yards it's POI is 7" below the aim point.

A model 605B2 - Not a bad gun, I paid $350 for it and if I find another at that price I might get it.

Last a model 85 that I bought new in the mid 80's, actually it's been a damn good gun. The only negative is I'm told that you should use +p loads in it. Fit & finish are very good.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

...add a caveat to his challenge

There, my own personal LawScholar done added me a caveat!. Thank you friend, that's absolutely the first time any lawyer ever gave me any service for...FREE! Are you still in Law School or just working pro bono for ignorant rednecks ? Funny you would mention a Taurus Pro Team, I just Googled "Taurus Sponsored Pro Shooter" and guess what? Nothing came up. I can only guess that even the FACTORY and CORPORATE HQ are hesitant to put their 'Lifetime Warranty" on the line under the unblinking, relentless requirements of televised competition.

No one up for the challenge? Where are the always vocal Faithful Defenders of the Bull?

 

[HoboCoastie]

My old boss at my last unit bought a little Taurus .22 revolver for use as a snake gun when he's fishing. I guess for something like that, a Taurus would be ok. I'd probably even have a Judge for something like that (I hate snakes!!!).

But, for my carry gun...no way. For my night stand...no way.

Oh and x2 on the Internet Gossip. Yes, I've seen hundreds of neg posts about Taurus...but I give more weight to the two friends I know that had real problems that I witnessed. None of the problems fatal, or even serious...but problems just the same. Ones that could've meant a loss in a firefight had they happened in a self-defense situation.

 

[Russ Jackson]

Russ.
I'm sorry to confuse you. I can see where the misunderstanding is. For simplicity I said I sold the gun. It was the same gun that I actually traded to the dealer who had more patience than I.
In the future I will try and spell everything out simply so as to avoid confusion. Even with my poor experience with Taurus I would have still been willing to risk it and try one more. Even though I lost about $200 on the deal where I had to end up trading it in. But now I don't think so. A blind following in more of a deterrent than bad experience.
Russ, I thank you for helping me come to my senses and forever avoid Taurus guns.

I wasn't confused by the two different stories. Now you lost 200 in the trade. Several things are missing from the stories that would make it more believable to me. Or to anyone that is throwing accusations against a company.



What kind of ammo? Were others tried? Were they jacketed? etc...
Documentation of the scenario. Names,dates,time frame etc... If I have to send the same gun back three times you can rest assured it will go to a specific person with a confirmation call when he got it the second time. The third time would be a whole different level at the plant. I am in the service industry and no customer would ever let me get away with that. And if by chance it was sent the third time it would be through the dealer I got it from because he would be involved. So would the Taurus rep.

Did you buy the gun new from a dealer? If so you have neglected to involve him in the three returns to the factory.
If it was used how do we know what the previous owners did to it. Load types, amount of rounds, proper storage etc...
The gun was sent back three times and it appears that they never asked you any qualifying questions about your use or ammo used.
If they said it was fixed and returned it. What did they do to get good results?
After the first time why didn't you take it to a local smith and have him look at it? And give you some advice.
It is difficult for me to fathom the way people claim they handle issues.
Not once in any of these comments from all the upset users did one person get a third party to look at the problem.
Not once did someone go up the feeding chain at the company.
I would have names, pictures, corresponding documentation, and a gunsmiths opinion on the issue...Russ

 

[amd6547]

LOL, the point is one should not have to send a new pistol back to the manufacturer at all, let alone take it a third party for advice.

 

[Russ Jackson]

LOL, the point is one should not have to send a new pistol back to the manufacturer at all, let alone take it a third party for advice.

Not true at all. Things happen. No new car has ever had a problem? No guns get recalled? Things break that shouldn't break all the time. Once a new gun is shot its not new. If you buy a new 1911 and don't break it down and clean it there is a good chance you will have problems shooting it. Certain ammo just wont shoot in certain guns. Especially semi-autos....Russ

I have seen the way a lot of people handle guns at the range. Hear stories on this site of people having ND's that never should happen. Gun owners that say they dry fire there guns all the time. I see people slamming the cylinders of revolvers with the twist of the wrist at the range.
Running reloads from who knows who through them.

I believe that most problems with gun malfunctions are directly caused by owner abuse.

 

[ryanrichmond]

I love my Taurus PT92AF. It's accurate and cycles great.


I also own a Taurus .357 magnum and it's also a very dependable gun