What's wrong with a Taurus

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I recently bought a Taurus PT22, the only Taurus I ever bought.
First time at the range last week....
MANY light strikes in all the four types of ammo I brought. A few jams. Worst of all, I was getting keyholing...Yup, clear sideways impacts at 15ft.
It is currently at Taurus for the warranty treatment.
I thought that since they basically copied the Beretta Bobcat, I had decent chance of a decent range toy, but I was wrong. My research now finds that the PT22 has a hard plastic "buffer" (not present in the Beretta original) which is prone to cracking, and can be hard to get from Taurus. Also, I found a disturbing number of reports of the left side recoil spring lever (always the left side) breaking.
Chances are, I will sell it when it comes back...and that will be the end of my Taurus experiment.
 
The question is a lot more complex to me the more I think about it.

I own a Taurus tracker in 45 acp and really like it. It is one of my most beloved guns, but when I compare it to any of the S&W's I own I can see that it is not as well made. That is just a reality that I acknowledge and not a slam on the tracker. A Miculek 625 is about twice the price but the Tracker is probably 85% or 90% as good of a gun overall.

There are quite a few Taurus offerings that do not have an equivalent s&w for competition. All the 5 shot tracker magnums, for example, are really unique for the power of cartridge in the frame size. The Taurus 8-shot 30 carbine Tracker is another unique offering. Ruger makes a Blackhawk in 30 carbine, but it is not a direct equivalent. Taurus makes some unique offerings that, if they are what you need or want, cannot be ignored.

One thing about Taurus is that they do not seem to sell any spares to anyone. All repairs are in-house factory repairs, and there is a lot of variety in the satisfaction people have received on their repairs. S&W sells parts to gunsmiths directly or through midwayusa/brownells/midwest/etc, so there is a competetive marketplace for repairs.

Taurus seems to drop spare mags from their lineup for pistol models that are discontinued. Do your own research on older models and then go to the company website and look for grips and mags. Look for moonclips for revolvers no longer in the catalog. The factory moonclips are sometimes produced again, but there are many models out there and the supply is intermittent. The only steady aftermarket source is almost 4 times the cost and most moonclip makers do not make any clips for Taurus guns.

Also check the brownells catalog for aftermarket performance parts. There are almost none available for Taurus, compared to what is available for S&W revolvers and for Blackhawks. Also check for availability of night sights and holsters and exotic wood grips. I cannot recall seeing any aftermarket barrels for Taurus guns like those that Bar-Sto, Storm Lake, Briley, Kart, etc offer for 1911's, S&W's, SIG's, etc. You pretty much need to accept the gun as it comes out of the box, but that is not a bad thing necessarily.

The model 92/99 pistol is a bit different as it should fit in most Beretta 92 holsters. It also has a real following in it's own right, has been adopted by governmental agencies overseas, and has been in continuous production for decades. Their 1911 clone is similarly a different story as it is a copy of an existing popular design.

Back to the customer support issue, I suspect that many reports of poor support are when a customer returns a discontinued model for repair. My suspicion is that Taurus does not keep a huge inventory of spare parts for discontinued models the way US companies typically like to do. They are always coming out with new models, and then forget about the previous model. As a counterpoint, I notice that S&W still provides many parts for older 2nd and 3rd generation metal framed autos like the 459. Guns that were discontinued 40 years ago are still in their parts catalog.

Most people I know who own Taurus handguns are happy with them, but I notice they tend to treat their guns well and use them lightly at the range. They are not power users who need lots of spare mags, or different types of accessories to get satisfaction from their usage. These are not folks who like to accessorize or upgrade, or get custom work done by gunsmiths. They do not shoot in competition.

My recommendation to friends regarding Taurus is that they are good quality for the money, but you cannot expect to run them like a more expensive brand due to the lack of factory support for them. This is really a criticism of Taurus' corporate policies and mindset, more than any real or perceived lacking in the guns themselves. Taurus is missing a great opportunity by not supporting their own products and offering more aftermarket swag like other companies provide.
 
fireside44~ "What gives is this site is alive and well with gun snobs who think their thousand dollar S&W's and out of production Colt's are god's gift to the handgun world and somehow "more reliable" and accurate than Brazilian made weapons when they have no real world testing to back up their claims. They only have the posts of a few here, whining about how their Taurus bound up on the second shot. These sycophants and fan boys latch onto and pass these posts on, assuring themselves they bought "the best" when they bought S&W. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Meanwhile Brazil sells scores more handguns than S&W. I've found most of them are as accurate or more so than their S&W counterparts. Asides that, as long as it goes boom what's the doggone difference? I guess some guys need their Nike's and "King Ranch" editions. Nerds."
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What's funny is that people who seem to like cheapo guns are just as snobby as those at whom they aim their charges of gun snobbery! And by the way, none of my S&W's cost me $1000...

As to "real world testing"? Well, there are MORE than just a few here that complain about Taurus quality. The simple fact of the matter is that they are not the top of the line in handguns. Some people do get decent, functional ones. Others get crap. I dare say that most Taurus buyers are probably not too gun wise anyway, they just buy something cheap, rarely, if ever shoot it, and wouldn't know a quality gun if it bit them in the butt (gun snobbery! gun snobbery! :D )

Many years ago, I bought my dad a .22 Taurus revolver. It doesn't look too bad, it does work, but it feels more like shooting a toy cap gun than a finely tuned shooting machine. Cheap feeling and gritty. I guess I could get in there and see if I could get things smoothed up...
 
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A friend of mine owns a nice dual-tone Millenium .40 and it's a total jam fest, I don't think it can go through one mag without failure to return to battery or a ftf. This is my only exposure to Taurus and it's not a very good one.
 
The last Taurust I had was made of soft steel and the bolt slots in the cylinder malformed very quickly. It wasn't out of time, it was just cheap. I would much rather buy a used Smith or Ruger.


EDIT: Please put me in the snob camp. I am a K frame revolver biggot.
 
You don't see me defending my three, maybe four? Perfectly functional Taurus anymore because I know better than to argue with someone who has his mind made up.

A while ago I was looking into a gun and typed the following into google: "<model of gun> problems"
I started sifting though the links and reading ... And you know what I found out? They ussually consisted of summaries and links to the same bad review from 2001. This was in 2010 at he earliest.
So, I found about fifty ... Yes, fifty or probably more individual threads based not on personal experience, but on someone else critiquing a gun, the company, customer service, etc. And frankly his expectation of CS was ridiculous. The "reviews" and recommendations to not buy one varied from straight verbatim copies, over summaries, over "do you want to roll the dice?"

So, whenever I read a review, both bad and good, I have to think about that little story. Sadly I don't remember what he model handgun was, now Inam kinda curious again to find out what it was.

But look at it this way, how often do you see the notion of "I once saw a problem with S&W ... Totally turned me off of them." or "Once saw a 1911 FTF ... Never gonna own one?"
But how often do you hear "Saw a <non 'Merican, established because pappy said so> have problems. Never gonna own one?"

I honestly do not think the gun industry is even remotely comparable to any kind of other industry, simply because of the customer base. We are so politically aligned, nationalist and tradition bound the quality of the product is a far fourth determinant of a "good" product.

Just some food for thought.
 
Nushif:

I've seen a few "Ruger/S&W/Remington/Colt screwed me! What happened to quality American manufacturing!" kvetch sessions and declamations to never buy again, but nowhere near as many combined as I have for Taurus. These are all claims of "personal" experience. You may pick up your grain of salt at the next table.

Not all Tauri are junk, it just seems that a disproportionately high number are. I view a Taurus with a much more critical eye than I would a Smith or a Ruger.

I almost bought a very nice stainless Taurus .44 special 5-shot last year, but the fellow wanted too much. The gun felt good, exhibited little endshake and wobble, and fit and finish were excellent. I just didn't feel like shelling out what he wanted, and we couldn't agree on a trade. There, a non-Taurean speaks on your behalf! ;)
 
I have a Taurus Millenium Pro 111, in 9mm. I've shot 2 wild hogs , and 1 feral dog with it in the month that i have had it, plus paper targets. I've missed 8 more feral hogs, and the feral dog was missed 4 times before i had a solid hit. it was enough to place him on the run,which was enough.

Pro's: it's lightweight, small enough for concealed carry, and the clip holds 12 cartridges. It was economical (~$300), and has features that i like: live round indicator, safety, adjustable sights, etc.. i like the looks and feel of the firearm.

Con's: the accuracy is not there at over 10-15 yards, maybe more practice will improve this aspect of it.
The thing that has caused me the most concern with the handgun, is that it has jammed twice on me. Once it jammed due to a cracked case in chamber after firing, while fending off the feral dog... i attached 2 cel-phone pics of the cracked case for reference. the crack is at the bottom of the shell, under the rim, by the primer.

I do not know if this was due to something with the gun or factory ammo, but it has caused a bit of hesitancy on my part to carry it as often now.
 

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From what I've seen, the problem with Taurus is word of mouth. For some reason, they have a bad rap. I've never heard anything negative about them from anyone I know who owns one, but oh well. All bow to the power of the media age. It doesn't take much to turn a company, whether it's deserved or not.

No firsthand experience with em. Frankly, there won't be any firsthand experience. I'm not interested in risking my money.
 
Well, the Taurus PT22 I had my bad personal experience with was made in USA. Frankly, I couldn't care less if it were made in China, if it worked.
Come on...a 22 that keyholes?
I spent the last two months shooting 22lr's...a 1968 Ruger 10/22, a Ruger Mk1 I have had since 1978, and a French Unique Model 52 pistol from the '60's...probably at least 1000 rounds.
Not a single jam or misfire...and certainly no keyholes.
The Taurus PT22 was just junk.The Taurus lovers here can spout all they want, but my Personal Experience will lead me to tell anyone who asks not to waste their money.
For what a new Taurus costs, a quality used firearm can be found for a similar amount.
For example, COB with his $300 Taurus Millenium...I bought a used Glock 26 for less than $400...I have put hundreds of rounds through it with zero issues, and excellent accuracy out to 40yds...and, if I wanted to sell it (never happen...just about my favorite pistol), I know I could sell it for what I bought it for...maybe even more. Good luck with that with a Taurus.
 
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The thing that has caused me the most concern with the handgun, is that it has jammed twice on me. Once it jammed due to a cracked case in chamber after firing, while fending off the feral dog...

I do not know if this was due to something with the gun or factory ammo, but it has caused a bit of hesitancy on my part to carry it as often now.
Wow, what the heck.

I'd be super interested to find out what caused that.
 
I swore I'd never own a Taurus but I came across one that I couldn't say no to, a 445 in .44 Spl. The action feels great and never a problem with it in 6 years. I'd buy another, but I'd want to have it in my hand before buying.
 
I purchased a Raging Bull in .454 and it is one of my favorite revolvers, very, very accurate. Hitting golf balls at 25 yds.
 
Hhmmm....I've had access to 4 Taurus pistols, a Taurus revolver, & a Rossi revolver, and haven't had any significant problems with any of them. I do hear that Taurus Customer Service is not very good, but then I've never had cause to contact them....

I've had pretty good luck with Colts, S&W's, H&K's, &FNH's too. Guess I'm just lucky.--Patrice
 
I've never heard anything negative about them from anyone I know who owns one, but oh well.

Probably because the people who bought crap Taurus guns have already sold them and moved on. The ones who got decent guns are hanging onto them for dear life. :D:scrutiny:
 
Taurus 669, best trigger of any handgun that I own.
Taurus 627 Tracker, a great, accurate, 7 shooter.
I have no regrets about buying either of these guns. i don't think the quality is as good as S&W, Colt, or Ruger.
 
Very spotty quality control and awful customer service, for a price only a bit cheaper. Not worth the lack of peace of mind.

Burned my family three times (bro, dad, mom) with three different models. Taurus is a curse word in our house now.
 
I've owned at least a half-dozen Taurus revolvers. Now I own two. I've never had a malfunction with any of them. Problem for me is, all the modern-production ones I've owned had/have really stiff hammers and triggers, and that bugs me and makes my wife and kids refuse to shoot them.

I have a Taurus Model 66 6"bbl .357 that is mid-1980's manufacture that has a wonderful hammer and trigger... That's why I bought it, used, in 95% cosmetics, from a local Pawn Shop and happily paid $250 OTD for it (maybe a year and a half ago). Again, no malfunctions ever.

I also have an UltraLite Judge that I kept to loan out to friends so they could get the novelty/gee-whiz experience out of their system before seriously considering buying one. Most decide against it.

So, if Taurus is your cup-o-tea, enjoy. I'd rather see folks spend less money on a police-trade S&W M64 and have a better gun... IMHO.
 
What gives is this site is alive and well with gun snobs who think their thousand dollar S&W's and out of production Colt's are god's gift to the handgun world and somehow "more reliable" and accurate than Brazilian made weapons when they have no real world testing to back up their claims. They only have the posts of a few here, whining about how their Taurus bound up on the second shot. These sycophants and fan boys latch onto and pass these posts on, assuring themselves they bought "the best" when they bought S&W. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Currently, I'm 2:1 good:bad with Taurus. The nice ones include a 66 and a 431. The turd was a 94 that Taurus managed to screw up more than it already was when I sent it back to them.

I wouldn't necessarily call it an experiment per se, but as wheel gun nut I am constantly going to gun shows, pawn shops, etc looking for a deal on a nice revolver, pretty much regardless of manufacture; though I admit S&Ws are my favorites. I always have my feeler gages, flash light and bore snakes (for cleaning filthy bores and chambers to check for pitting, bulged chambers, etc).

Over the years, in the hundreds of revolvers I've looked at, I've noted that Tauri's QC just isn't as consistent as S&W's, Ruger', Colt's or H&R's. There are good Tauri out there certainly, but there is also a significant number of bad ones that I simply pass on (usually the B/C gap is too tight, the cylinder is not square with the f/c, the rear sight is loose or the trigger is rough). Problem is, the good ones are often overpriced, particularly the Model 66s where I live.

So I'm open to Taurus revolvers, though I do inspect them more carefully and I'd never buy one without inspecting it first. I didn't do that on the 94, big mistake.
 
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I have a Taurus Model 66 6"bbl .357 that is mid-1980's manufacture that has a wonderful hammer and trigger... That's why I bought it, used, in 95% cosmetics, from a local Pawn Shop and happily paid $250 OTD for it (maybe a year and a half ago).

Wish I could find one like that. As I said, good used Taurus 66s in my area are typically priced at $450 to $500. Not only can you get a new one for less, but you might also be able to get a P&R S&W 66 or 19 for that kind of money. Not to mention you could also get a Ruger Six for less.
 
I own and shoot a Taurus rather often. But it is a revolver, and not a semi-auto. I have nothing but great things to say about it.

I do on the other hand have a lot to say about the Customer Service, and none of it is in a good light. They are rude and unwilling to help. They accuse the owners of the firearms, us, of mistreating the weapon, of using improper ammunition or incorrectly loaded ammunition. I called a short while back, just out of curiosity, to get a history of my revolver, and was accused of improper cleaning and maintenance. And this gun has never left my home without me.

You tell me.
 
I owned a Taurus pt 709 slim and what a piece of junk. It would malfunction at an alarming rate. Fte and Ftf often. It shot low and left and felt cheap. I'll never own another Taurus product. Their CS is so good because their QC is so bad.
 
I do on the other hand have a lot to say about the Customer Service, and none of it is in a good light. They are rude and unwilling to help. They accuse the owners of the firearms, us, of mistreating the weapon, of using improper ammunition or incorrectly loaded ammunition. I called a short while back, just out of curiosity, to get a history of my revolver, and was accused of improper cleaning and maintenance.

Been there done that. I think they must hypnotize their CS Dept to just say "clean it more often" to whatever question is asked.

Q: "My cylinder binds and I've tried cleaning the gun every 50 rounds, what can you do?"
A: "Clean it more often."

^^ that was me BTW.

Q: "My rear sight fell off, can you fix it?"
A: "Clean it more often."

Q: "The barrel blew off my Judge, I'd like to return it for repair."
A: "Clean it more often."

Q: "Do you sell different color fiber optic sight inserts?"
A: "Clean it more often."

Q (wrong number): "OMG, my head's come off!"
A: "Clean it more often."


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I swear, they are as numb as Glock fanboys that, in response to a thread asking for the best O/U 12 gauge for waterfowl, post "Get a Glock". :D
 
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So... if you had , say, a Beretta 92F laying next to a Taurus, why would you choose the Taurus over the Beretta?
Cause its cheaper, right?

No because the Taurus will do cocked'n'locked, the Beretta won't. You also have the decocker with the Taurus should you prefer DA/SA operation. Beretta took this idea to the 9000S, but didn't really execute well with the rest of the design -- very fat in the slide for a compact and a spongy trigger.
 
Can't speak for the autos, but I have had 2 revolvers,a model82 and a model 85, and found them to be a good value for the price paid.
 
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