Whats Your Favorite Missouri Bullet Load

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I'm currently loving their 300gr .452 TC in my .45 Colt. Over the top of 19.0gr of Lil' Gun I'm getting great accuracy and NO leading, but PLENTY of oomph.
I'm just sad that it's their only bullet suitable for the .45 Colt at magnum velocity. I'd LOVE to see some 250-270gr LSWC/Keith style bullets at 18 hardness.
But if I'm the first one to mention these, maybe there's just not that much of a demand?
 
Gryffydd said:
I'm currently loving their 300gr .452 TC in my .45 Colt. Over the top of 19.0gr of Lil' Gun I'm getting great accuracy and NO leading, but PLENTY of oomph.
I'm just sad that it's their only bullet suitable for the .45 Colt at magnum velocity. I'd LOVE to see some 250-270gr LSWC/Keith style bullets at 18 hardness.
But if I'm the first one to mention these, maybe there's just not that much of a demand?
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But we have those. Not on the website yet. Just ask for the Cowboy #9 and request hard alloy and it'll be 18 BHN. This is the 255 grain SWC, Keith-style but with bevel-base.

Brad
 
But we have those. Not on the website yet. Just ask for the Cowboy #9 and request hard alloy and it'll be 18 BHN. This is the 255 grain SWC, Keith-style but with bevel-base.
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Sweet!! I didn't realize I could ask for a different alloy. I'll be needing some more of those pretty soon.
Thanks!

Brad
 
.45 acp

Hers is some of my personal observations based on my equipment and methods.



All are based on 10 shot strings from an H & K USP .45 full size (octagonal barrel). Barrel cleaned between strings and mixed range brass. I have been working on an IPSC major power factor load. I have had no feed errors. A 1.240 OAL leaves just a few thousand inches of the bullet shoulder exposed above the case neck. The octagonal barrelcoupled with the .452 bullet seems to give a lot higher velocity than I have seen with most load data (can you have too good of a seal?).



Hodgdon Clays powder

Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

Charge/vel (Ft sec)

1.240 OAL



3.6 764

3.7 802

3.8 830

3.9 861 (heavy smoke)

4.0 876 (heavy smoke)

Some leading at 3.8 progressively gets worse to 4.0



Hodgdon Clays powder

Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



3.6 796

3.7 815

3.8 826

3.9 839 (heavy smoke)

Some leading at 3.6. Little to no leading at 3.7-3.9.



Hodgdon Universal Clays powder

Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC.452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



5.3 776

5.5 835

5.7 858 (my new IPSC load)

Some leading at 5.3. Little to no leading at 5.5 and 5.7





Hodgdon Universal Clays powder

Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr

1.240 OAL



6.0 878 (min load from Hodgdon for a .451 LSWC)

6.2 939

First trial load with universal powder, way too heavy for a soft bullet

heaving leading
 
I just started reloading for 45ACP, but so far, my CZ97 loves the IDP#4 200grn RNFP over 4.0 grains of Clays. I had planned on trying their other boolits, but if these keep making the target swing, I doubt I will try another.
 
.40 S&W - 170 LSWC IDP#2 over 4.9g HP-38
.45ACP - 230g LRN Soft Ball over 5.2g HP-38
9mm - 125 LRN Small Ball over 4.6 g HP-38
38 spl - 158 RNFP #15 cowboy over 3.1 g Clays
357 mag - 158 RNFP #1 Ranger over 6g Unique
 
I have been shooting a mess of the 44 "smasher" bullets out of my Marlin 1894ss with any old brass I have, but loaded in lots by headstamp. WLP primer, 9.0gr of Herco or 9-10gr of Unique. Very amusing plinker load that I wouldn't hesitate to use on deer at shorter ranges if'n I ran out of jacketed bullets.

Also loaded up a slew of the 405gr, 45 cal "Buffalo" bullets for a Marlin 1895 using H4198 in Starline brass with WLR primers. I used 29-30gr for lighter loads and 39.0gr of the H4198 for something more exhilarating...

I have a box of their 160gr .308 dia "whitetail" 30-30 bullet but haven't found a great load for that yet. Help would be appreciated for that...

Of course, the loads mentioned above are only safe for MY rifles, yada, yada, yada...

Be safe and keep the bullets flying
Patty
 
My favorites

I like 5.0 grains of Titegroup under MB's .357 Magnum bullet. Per the manual, it hits just over 1000fps. I find it flat-shooting, mild recoil, and just a fun load for plinking. At 50 yards out of my 6" Ruger GP100, this is a deadly combo for clay pidgeons tossed on the berm. Best of all, zero leading and minor smoke. This is a max load; reduce and work up to make sure it works in your gun.

In .45ACP, with the 185 SWC Bullseye #2, I really enjoy using Universal. The manual suggests a max of 6.4 gr Universal with this bullet. My Lee auto disc kit throws a 6 grain charge and it works very well out of my 1911s - smooth shooting, acceptable recoil, and relatively clean. At lower charge weights (5.4, I believe) I had lots of unburned flakes. Bumping up the charge a bit made all the difference.

I use Universal with good success in my 9mms and .38s, too. Medium loads seem to work well. Lately, I've been trying to use up my Bullseye so I can move on and try Unique.

Q
 
so I gather from what I've read...I shouldn't expect leading to occur in my 357 Blackhawk using the 357 Action bullets without gas checks up to 1500 fps???
 
I have a few that I really like.

45acp- 230gr softball 4.9gr IMR700x (duplicates feel and recoil of WWB, no leading)
" " 4.8gr Bullseye (same as above, really)

45 colt 255gr LSWC 5.5gr IMR 700x Nice feel, low recoil, low smoke, accurate.

**WARNING** The following load exceeds the maximum published data for .45 colt. This load is a ruger only load and should not be considered safe in any gun other than mine or one that it has been worked up in. The staff and admins of THR.ORG or myself are not responsible if you follow this data

45 colt -- 300gr LTC(silohoutte bullet) 18.0gr 2400. Very stout recoil, lots of bang. Accurate, but needs sight adjustments to be POA. Very fun to shoot, no leading.
 
IDP Reference

The IDP #1 (and the Bullseye #1) are standard H&G 68-style Magma Engineering designs. Odds are 99 to 1 that any load you see for a 200 grain SWC .452 bullet references this bullet.

I use 1.260 COAL with this bullet. But that's just me. I want a 1/32nds of an inch of bullet should protruding from the case mouth.

Brad
 
Brad,

That's how I was going to start after looking at the IDP#2 & IDP#5 bullets I received today. This is my first order from MBC and I had anticipated a note in the box suggesting "reference data for Lyman #xxxXXX when loading this bullet in 40 S&W" or some such suggestion. The shoulder on the two slugs is close enough that I felt that as long as the feeding thru the magazine wasn't an issue,what worked for one may very well work for the other even though the ogive was considerably different.

At any rate a google failed to turn up any International Defensive Pistol association nor did my Lyman reference (on the 170gr) although as you stated, I was going to just try a reasonable COL from common 180 gr LSW data as a starting point.

Appreciate the tips,

TB
 
twice barrel said:
Brad,

That's how I was going to start after looking at the IDP#2 & IDP#5 bullets I received today. This is my first order from MBC and I had anticipated a note in the box suggesting "reference data for Lyman #xxxXXX when loading this bullet in 40 S&W" or some such suggestion. The shoulder on the two slugs is close enough that I felt that as long as the feeding thru the magazine wasn't an issue,what worked for one may very well work for the other even though the ogive was considerably different.

At any rate a google failed to turn up any International Defensive Pistol association nor did my Lyman reference (on the 170gr) although as you stated, I was going to just try a reasonable COL from common 180 gr LSW data as a starting point.

Appreciate the tips,

TB
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But those aren't bullets cast from Lyman moulds.

Here's what I do: I go to www.ask.com (won't use Google for political reasons) and enter something like +180 grain .401 tcfp load data and wind up with something like http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/d...&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

as the first hit. There are enough data there that I interpolate down to starting loads for lead bullets of similar or identical designs.

We don't have a ballistics lab but then, we don't have to have one. Before the internet I made a habit of owning at least 3 reloading manuals and every powder/bullet manufacturers' data books that I could lay hands on in gun stores. There was never a problem figuring out good loads to start playing with.

The best reloading book I have owned, I must say, is "Pet Loads" by Ken Waters. I bought my copy in the 1980's when they were still bound in notebook style so that you could add updates as they arrived. A fine reference, good reading even for calibers you've never heard of. Very enjoyable.
 
I know not many people use this powder but I've been shooting IDPA with this:

IDP #1 .45 ACP 200 Gr LSWC

1.250 OAL
5.0 grs of WST (MAX listed in my manual: Use Caution)
Avg of about 850 fps.

I did get a bit of a spread so I need to work on my chrono techinques. No real leading and pretty clean. Also not too heavy on recoil.
 
I was using Lyman #XXXxxx as an example. Figured you were using "somebody's" mold to throw them and that it may be a bullet commonly referenced in literature.

Regards,

TB
 
To keep it current guys I am now favoring a 4.2 grs of bullseye with the 200 gr LSWC. Its a good target round not very fast but great for the range.
:D

I will be testing out 230g LRN and will post back with what loads I like.
 
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2.0gr of W231 with the .380 ball. Light plinking load, cycles all the LCP's I've tried. Brass only a few feet around shooter.

Justin
 
How fast are people shooting the 158gr "Match" in a 38 Spcl before they experience leading? My son is afraid to go past 3.6gr W231 with this bullet in his 6" GP100.
 
40 s&w

Anyone have any load data for IDP #7? That would be a 140 Grain TCFP w/ a Brinnel of 18.
 
Anyone have any load data for IDP #7? That would be a 140 Grain TCFP w/ a Brinnel of 18.
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No, but for IDP #2, 170gr, I'm using 4 grains of Titegroup. That should push that 140gr bullet out at around 950fps or so.
 
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