Lorcin, Bryco, Jennings. No thanks. Hi Points I've found to be okay. Ugly and bulky but functional. The gun brand I've had most problems with is Llama. Nice lines on the guns I bought. Looked good. HORRIBLE functioning. Jam after jam after jam. Tried one, thought I had a lemon. Bought a second one a few years later of a different model and caliber, same problems. Llama...Today's Worst Brand..in the Wooorrrlllddd.