Nom de Forum is it like that show " Breaking Bad" out there?
When does a .380 beat a 9?
When the 9 is being fired from one of the micro 9s so in vogue right now.
The short barrel kills velocity which kills expansion.
Nom de Forum is it like that show " Breaking Bad" out there?
- jimbo555 -
Here is a link to his blog with the full testing results on .380s. You can find links to the 9mm test on the same siteI think either the Federal 147gr HST or the Winchester Ranger "T" Series - RA9T, will get the job done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UP7p3fxgzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VfWkWMzOI&list=PLgNSGOEQko_M90AMdRCDMgd-w4Yozc27i&index=11
I seriously doubt it would have gone through much of a development phase, even if it had been a more adopted cartridge.
The .380 is the same diameter as the 9mm, but with a significantly smaller bullet mass and cartridge volume. This means that a rather more meaningful direct comparison of the two can be made, and the 9mm wins hands down.
Not too long ago you would carry a 380 when you couldn't fit a 9mm, but single pocket 9mms exploded on the market. Unless gun manufacturers can find a way to make .380 guns smaller or otherwise better, some of the mouse guns might get dropped from production.
The entire point of the article linked in the OP is that some pocket .380s are better than the smallest 9MM pistols in a couple of very important ways.Not too long ago you would carry a 380 when you couldn't fit a 9mm, but single pocket 9mms exploded on the market. Unless gun manufacturers can find a way to make .380 guns smaller or otherwise better, some of the mouse guns might get dropped from production.
When your company owner is a 2A advocate, has his conceal carry permit, hosts CC classes in his offices and is still surprised when you tell him you've been carrying for quite some time... I'd say I went "undetected."How do you know that you are "undetected"?
huntsman said:I don't get out much so what 9mm on the market is the same size and weight as the LCP?
C0untZer0 said:In the late 80s and early 90s the FBI was driving bullet design and development for the 9mm and 40 S&W, and we saw tremendous improvements in bullet designs and terminal performance. IMO though, the ammo manufacturers didn't put nearly as much research or development effort in the 380 ACP. They did however, slap their name brands on the 380 cartridges, which gave the impression that 380 rounds like PDX and Golden Saber were going to perform as well as their big caliber cousins. What we saw though is that many of these name-brand cartridges don't do any better than any of the other 380 loadings out there, and don't do that well in general.
Yes, and don't forget the advantages of a larger grip and a longer sight radius.To some, the extra size and weight of a 9mm is better than carrying a 380 because of advancements in bullet design lately.
And sometimes they are indeed worthwhile.I still carry a 380 sometimes for the weight and size savings.
Not for me, thank you, and I refer to the link in the OP for the reasons.But each new pocket 9mm out tempts me more because the added bulk of the 9mm is getting smaller.
I may end up with a .380. For right now, for back-up, I prefer a .38 revolver.
Kleanbore said:Yes, and don't forget the advantages of a larger grip and a longer sight radius.
There are those who seem to think so.If they made a 9mm pistol the size of the palm of your hand it would be preferable to a .380 with a 2.7" - 3" barrel say the size of an LCP or Beretta Pico if I'm reading some of this correctly. Right?
Who really can?I'm pretty sure (positive in fact) that I cannot control the recoil of the palm sized 9mm enough to get accurate, rapid follow ups like I know I can with my Pico in .380 -
That's the way I see it....there is no point in my carrying the 9mm as I won't hit anything with it and practicing will likely have me developing a flinch not to mention limiting my practice to maybe 20 arthritis aggravating rounds.
Yes, it is.I'm better off with a .380 that I know gets 15" of penetration and that I can triple tap accurately at 21' then to carry a tiny/similar sized pistol in 9mm that *SterIlIzEs!* me with recoil and prevents those more effective 9mm rounds from reaching the target. Some folks might be able to do that but we reach a point where more power in a smaller package destroys accuracy and follow ups. That's the point or partially the point of the article.
Well if you cant keep a 9mm on target, then you likely need the 380. A 9mm is so easy to keep on target it is ridiculous. At least for someone who shoots a lot.Hold your horse!! It's not quite dead!
Shot placement is EVERYTHING so a lower recoil .380 will have a better shot placement than the high recoil 9mm in a mouse gun
OK.. Now it's dead. You may proceed with the beating
^^^ THIS ^^^Some of us either didn't read the article or don't get it....my question then: If they made a 9mm pistol the size of the palm of your hand it would be preferable to a .380 with a 2.7" - 3" barrel say the size of an LCP or Beretta Pico if I'm reading some of this correctly. Right?
I'm pretty sure (positive in fact) that I cannot control the recoil of the palm sized 9mm enough to get accurate, rapid follow ups like I know I can with my Pico in .380 - there is no point in my carrying the 9mm as I won't hit anything with it and practicing will likely have me developing a flinch not to mention limiting my practice to maybe 20 arthritis aggravating rounds.
I'm better off with a .380 that I know gets 15" of penetration and that I can triple tap accurately at 21' then to carry a tiny/similar sized pistol in 9mm that *SterIlIzEs!* me with recoil and prevents those more effective 9mm rounds from reaching the target. Some folks might be able to do that but we reach a point where more power in a smaller package destroys accuracy and follow ups. That's the point or partially the point of the article.
VooDoo
When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Good article
On a commonly asked question or comparison.
http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/380-beat-9mm/
What did you think?
Not meant to start a caliber war, just seemed like the author had an interesting take on the 380's place in the realm of things.