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When The President Won't Protect Our Borders

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Biker, Feb 10, 2006.

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  1. Biker

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    It sounds intriguing, but a search on Google doesn't show much on a company called "RL Services International Security". You'd think a company with the high end talent they claim would have some info on them.

    Anyone know anything about these people?
     
  3. agricola

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    Its very difficult to understand why MS-13, or any criminal organization for that matter, would knowingly meet with groups like Al-Qaeda.

    For a start, you move yourself out of the bracket of being a LE problem into being one of National Security, which of course means that the gloves are off and they (instead of being worried about wiretaps and warrants) now have to consider drones dropping missiles on them. Its all very well being lawyered up but if the US has no interest in slapping cuffs on you as long as you end up dead legal advice is useless.

    Secondly, its on rense.com. The fact that elsewhere on the site a mini-Rense thinks that the cartoons and the mobs protesting against the cartoons are all provocations by the West, specifically Prince Phillip and Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, should suggest that it may well be a big old pile of BS.
     
  4. longeyes

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    Has anyone raised this question at a Presidential press conference?

    Has anyone in Congress--other than perhaps Tom Tancredo and a couple of other mavericks--spoken out publicly in open forum, challenging the White House to take action?

    It's clear we need to apply some heat. Bush's remarks after the SOTU address were the same old rehash of platitudes about hardworking Mexican moms and dads and border-breaching "family values." W. clearly needs to be called out on this and read the riot act.
     
  5. longeyes

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    What isn't a pile of b.s. is that thousands of illegal aliens are entering the U.S. daily, that MS-13 is establishing a growing presence on this side of the border, that a lot of Middle Eastern people are getting into this country illegally. We don't need to conflate the threats to know we've got trouble.
     
  6. Biker

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    Rense has some 'out-there' stuff on the site, but Wooldridge is a credible source. Now, about that message?
    Biker
     
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    MS13 are just business men, if moving terrorists pays better than moving illegals/drugs then they'll adjust their business model to suit. I mean it's not like they obey any of our laws is it?
     
  8. Camp David

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    Biker: I read the article by Frosty Wooldridge and I certainly agree that the border issue proves a nagging and very obvious hole in our domestic security. What I find lacking is the lack of answers and/or alternatives from those that criticize the current administration. Indeed, Mr. Wooldridge surfaces lots of blame but few new ideas for border security.

    Before you get too defensive, though, let me say on the outset that I feel Bush's whole plan for border security is lacking as well. However, I have heard precious few new ideas from anyone.

    Do we build a huge fence on the southern border? If so, who pays for it? State or Federal? Wouldn't the illegals simply tunnel underneath? (See related story on California tunnel.)

    Do we stop all southern immigration? Do we stop all amnesty programs?

    Do we move the National Guard to our southern border? (Contrary to liberal claims, border states have ample National Guard troops free to do this guard duty.)

    Do we set up a mine field or similar passive defense on the border? (Some have suggested myriad ideas of border deterrence, including impassive barriers, animal guard defense, and even electric/shock barriers).

    In short, what is lacking is new ideas or committment to old ideas backed with new finances from the federal and state level. This lack of support comes from both Republicans and Democrats, so I hardly think you can pin this on the current administration... illegal aliens have been a problem for decades and they cannot be only addressed at the federal level...State involvement is also necessary.

    I agree that MS-13 gang members, Al Qaeda terrorists, and like dangers, are all a threat from both north and south borders.

    What to do?

    And if something is decided to be done quickly in regard to border security, will the opposition party be willing to pay for it, or will they add that to their criticism of deficit spending?
     
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    message?

    Also Woolridge is a one-issue ranter as a check of his previous articles suggests.

    He ties Muslim terrorists to the Mexican border more to illustrate his antipathy towards illegal immigration of Hispanics than because of any verifiable problem with Muslim terrorists getting in that way. As the three main attacks since 2000 have shown (NY, Madrid and London) Al-Qaeda operatives have all been "legal" in the country concerned, either on visas or already resident in the countries concerned.
     
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    Hey Biker, how you doing? Illegals crossing the border has been a long old problem. I know you dislike Bush like the plague and this thread will just turn into another Bush bashing thread. OK enough said there.
    Anyway I agree that illegals crossing the border is a serious problem. Maybe a good question to ask would be how to prevent this? Instead of just blaming one person for this problem that didn't start because of him. I know the obvious answer is lets just mass troops,tanks,artillery and B52 bombers along the border. Yes it does sound good but it's not that simple. For starters there are many good reasons for illegals to come here. Hence a demand. I know california passed a law that when someone registers to vote there is a question that says are you a US citizen. You simply check yes or no. Guess what, the law they passed makes it illegal to ask for proof of citizenship!!:fire: Here in Illinois we have a certain politician campaining on the promise to fight illegal aliens. Guess what he is publicly chastized and labeled a racist for wanting to enforce the law. Now how are we supposed to stop illegals from crossing the border when the government welcomes them with open arms and preferential treatment for being an illegal alien? Another good question is how can this be solely Bushs fault?
    I believe in canada(those of you from canada correct me if I'm wrong)you can't get a job without citizenship. That sounds like a good start but not if you ask someone if their a citizen and it against the law to make them prove it!!!:fire: :cuss: :banghead: OK let the Bush bashing begin........:neener:
     
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    Camp David, you ol' SOB:) ,

    A lot of your ideas a great. Fence? Good idea. It would pay for itself before long just as a consequence of not having to pay for the many programs that illegals are now eligable for in one form or another, not to mention the savings we *might* incur by preventing another terrorist attack. The feds apparantly don't mind spending money, so they could swing it judging from their recent fiscal performances. Tunnels? Maybe, but the flow would be greatly reduced and we could concentrate more of our efforts on that threat if the Wall was up.
    Yes, we put a 10 year moratorium on immigration until we sort the present mess out.
    The NG is a good idea, but nix the minefields, bombers and all that. The above measures should slow the flood to a trickle. 'Sides, minefields are messy and loud.;)
    You're right, the problem is an old one, but *right now*, this POTUS can do something about it instead of encouraging it.
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    There are 3 kinds of terrorists so far as I know.

    1) the true believers.
    The grunts, the whackjobs who blow themselves up or run in front of a machine gun. People who honestly believe there are virgins on the other side waiting for them.

    2) the mercinaries.
    Gunmen, bomb makers, kidnappers, the kind who will do anything for a buck. You got poor countries with lots of capable men who need to eat. To feed themselves they will do anything from dig a weapons cash to make impromptu landmines out of household goods.

    3) the money men.
    Those who pay for the services of 1&2 out of their pockets, or coerce others into giving them the money for it. The preachers, the extremely wealthy and the knee breaking collection agent types who funnel cash from one side of the globe to the other.

    Bear in mind that organized criminals (or street gangs for that matter) often dont have a patriotic bone in their body. They also dont have to believe in Islam to be hired or accept payment for their next job.

    Would alqueda fall into ranks with ms-13?
    Directly, I doubt they would keep an open alliance...but the deals wont be signed on alqueda letterhead.

    A mexican gang could easily be performing logicstics jobs for an arab terrorist network without the other knowing, and it woud be damn hard to prove it.

    I think the problems here are:
    1) youve got a slow cooking war brewing on the border thats being ignored.
    2) security has not been tightned, crime is on the rise in nearby towns.
    3) there are terrorists out to hit you wherever your weakest.

    Murphys law says somethings bound to happen there.
     
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    Eventually, we are going to get bushwhacked again, this time by land. They who traffic people over the border for a grand, would traffic a nuke or two for just a bit more green than that.

    Then all the president's men would throw their girlie limbs into the air, scatter ashes over their dramatically unkempt hair, and sing the "Who'd've thunk" choir...

    :barf: :barf: :barf:
     
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    Won't work. I've lost count of how many letters I have written to the White House on the subject. He's immune to heat.

    Remember his predecessor, Ronald Reagan? Nicknamed "Teflon Ron" because nobody could make any dirt stick to him? If Reagan was "Teflon Ron," then I think GWB must be "Asbestos George" (or maybe "Nomex George," since asbestos has pretty much been regulated out of existence).
     
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    Many of the arguments made are valid. Many have been reported elsewhere.

    I went to the website. The following is gut feeling only no hard facts, but my BS meter is ringing loud. Particularly the vaugeness of the type of equipment and the listing of accolades about the person associated with them that is a specalist in Radiation Physics.

    Perhaps the frequent donate icons have something to do with it ?:rolleyes:

    NukemJim
     
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    Story on Fox last night about our Texas Guv Rick Perry taking action on his own by creating some sort of special force to do something. He's gotten so much heat from out-gunned, out-manned south Texas deputies, and there's been so much press on firefights, he had to do something. Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3649256.html

    Dammit, I KNEW we were gonna have to do this ourselves...
     
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    AAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

    Its bad enough that those charged with defending this nations borders sit on their hands and do nothing, now an agent of the Dallas School Board wants the hire ILLEGAL ALIENS to teach bilingual classes! :fire: :fire: :fire:
    What a bunch of...<deep breath> NOPE, not goona violate the Art's Grandma rule, even in another language.
     
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    It's a real good thing that Art's Grandma can't read minds.:mad:
    Biker
     
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    Why solve problems when you can contribute to them? Seems like a perfectly sensible use of the tax payers' dollars.
     
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    i think we all know it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
     
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    One quick note, C.D.

    It's not our job to solve problems like that. We hire folks to do that for us. If we're real careful in our hiring practices, we hire folks that are smarter than we are, and everything works like it should. Lately is seems like we've been getting lax in our interview process.

    Our job is to work, and produce, and pay taxes, so the folks we hire have ample cash with which to solve our problems. That cash isn't really supposed to be used to solve other nations' problems, but hey; whatcha gonna do?
     
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    Sounds like more right wing propganda to me. I don't believe there is a boarder problem. Yes, there is an illegal problem but that can be controlled my giving them visas to stay in the country.
     
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    We have a major problem with borders. We have an even larger problem with out elected officials not beholding to those who elected them. Instead our elected officials are beholding to those who fund them. Never in my active political life have I ever seen such a deep divide between the taxpaying class and the ruling class. We have politicans who thump their tubs about have a mandate when they get 4 percentage point ahead of the opposition. With illegal border crossing the numbers are like 60 percentage points difference. So if 4 points is a mandate what do you call 60 points? It is clear to me this is one area where the ruling class has decided to overrule the voters and the taxpaying class.

    I would love to know the reason for selling out our country. I can postulate any number of theories but they are just that, theories. Someone on the inside will have to have a fit of conscious and 'fess up.
     
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    Don't we have to confront that persistent threads about illegal immigration have no gun connection and would be related to civil liberties only by a deliberate abstraction, justifying a popular topic? I am weary of reading through threads that have nothing to do with guns or a reason for subscribing to THR. There are plenty of other venues for ragging on the administration on other issues.
     
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    [QUOTEDon't we have to confront that persistent threads about illegal immigration have no gun connection and would be related to civil liberties only by a deliberate abstraction, justifying a popular topic? I am weary of reading through threads that have nothing to do with guns or a reason for subscribing to THR. There are plenty of other venues for ragging on the administration on other issues.
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    I believe it does relate to our freedom which makes it as important as the gun issue. Not trying to be rude but when I see threads I have no interest
    in I simply click and move.
     
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