When would you stop resisting?

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I would resist from inside a vault given the chance to get there . If not I would fight with every tactic I was taught and a few I have learned along the way . God help the man dumb enough to kick in my door is all I can say . With pistols in every room catching us off guard would be near impossible . My entire family has been trained in self defense both lethal and non lethal so my worrys are small but my awareness is omnipressant .
 
I am reminded of a discussion I had with an anti. I pointed out that the Jews of Europe were unarmed. His response was, "Well! If the Jews had resisted the Nazis, they'd have all been killed!"

And my reply was, "That's different from what actually happened to them, how?"

Everyone is free to make their own decisions in circumstances like that -- but I'm not going peacefully into the gas chamber, nor am I submitting to a home invader and leaving myself and my family to his mercy.
 
Yeah...I wonder if the 'Clutter' Family had 'Chubb' and had followed it's pamphlet advice...

Edit: Sorry...someone else had already menioned this...


I wonder if one could sue the property insurance company for their advice about not resisting, when not resisting ends up in a really 'bad' outcome?
 
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Resist when it benefits you, comply when it benefits you.

In every altercation I've ever been in, I've found it best to retreat when possible, or comply while cautiously retreating until an opportunity arises.

If you have the means to fight the second someone boots in the door, make sure they don't get past your welcome mat. If you don't, keep a gun hidden where you're most likely to be held, and go meekly there until they drop their guard.

Most likely place is the master bathroom? Someone's likely to glance back at what their partner is rummaging around in the hall, and the lid off the toilet reservoir is pretty damn heavy...
 
"One of the deceased was burned beyond recognition, with indications that an accelerant was liberally poured on her," investigators wrote in a search warrant. "The remaining two victims appeared to have some indication of accelerant being poured onto or in close proximity to them


Hawke-Petit was strangled and the two girls died of smoke inhalation, according to the medical examiner.

So they died of smoke inhalation while they were covered in gasoline and burning? They certainly were not covered in gasoline and breathing smoke from a nearby fire without being on fire themselves.

So why would he say they died of smoke inhalation? They must have lived a long time on fire to die of smoke inhalation. Several minutes of burning alive would be required to inhale enough smoke for that to happen.



So cooperate, get tied to bedposts, raped, and then set on fire, or fight and maybe be injured or killed?
Seems like a no brainer.
 
The home invasions in my area often end up in rape and murder. Surrender would not be an option. If such actions would bring about my death, so be it. Defending my family would be more than worth it. And if there is an afterlife where I can return and wreak havoc on those who caused me harm, I would also exercise that option. :)
 
The home invasions in my area often end up in rape and murder.

The last two home invasions making the news in my area ended up with the perpetrators getting lawfully shot full of holes by the occupants, FWIW (I've posted links to one of those stories here in other recent threads on home invasions). I prefer that outcome, myself.

I guess you can put me in with the majority opinion on this thread too.
 
As an insurance company you would think that these people review crime statistic and actually care about how much money they loose to the next of kin when they have to pay out for the entire family.

You would think that they would require self defense training, security upgrade and other things that would keep a person ALIVE, not executed by someone who thinks that without witnesses it harder to solve a crime (which happens to be very true). But this might also be one of those insurance companies that have a hard time deciding between paying the family versus kidnappers.
 
i will fight as long as possible and die if it comes to that with my gun in my hand.............

thank you...................................................
 
I guess it is possible that Chubb is making the assumption or hoping that the invaders only want material things. If this assumption were always true then I would agree with not resisting. We all know this is a bad assumption. Someone important wrote a book called Hope is Not a Method. I think that rule should apply.
 
Regardless of what they want or where they are I have to move myself & my wife to my son’s bedroom one door over. If they stay away from the family they can take what they want & I’ll let the police, insurance & courts sort it out. As soon as there’s even the possibility of a threat to the family FIGHT! is the standing order. If they get through my wife & me there’s a decent chance my soon-to-be 4yo will pick up where we left off. He’s big, he’s strong, he knows that he always needs to fight back & he shoots.
 
not executed by someone who thinks that without witnesses it harder to solve a crime (which happens to be very true)

Actually while it is true it works the opposite way many times.
The reason is that homicides get a lot more law enforcement resources to solve, and people work on solving them for years. While a home invasion would be old news much sooner.
Not that either is a minor crime, but the level of resources devoted to homicides makes the likelihood of solving them and catching those responsible much higher than if the home invaders didn't kill anyone.

So when criminals kill the witnesses, they actually insure many times more money, man hours, and better forensics will be devoted to figuring who they were and arresting them. They will have a forensics team and later detectives devoted entirely to that specific case for long periods of time. Rewards may be offered, and even years later the case will interest the type of person that likes to look at cold cases.
While a home invasion, burglary, robbery etc would have blended in to the swarm of similar crimes far sooner and not warranted the devotion of so many resources for so long.

So in reality someone dying in a crime makes the individual responsible much more likely to be caught than if all thier victims survived. It takes the crime from just another violent crime, to the type of crime that gets the best attention, the most capable detectives, and warrants the largest budget while continuing to interest people years after the fact if not solved earlier.
However most of the criminals that commit such violent crimes are not likely to realize that. So it is not going to impact how they act during the crime.
 
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There is no social contract that says that if you cooperate, the criminals won't hurt you or your family.

Not resist? Then why be armed at all?

Sounds like the insurance companies would actually prefer if we were unarmed. Are they sharing profit with Home Invaders of America and with Carjackers United? Looking at the following videos, they seem to have much in common :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwZeWOZ8JU
 
I will resist explosively and viciously to any home invader. They will get fair warning and if they don't heed.......

I'm with ya up to the fair warning.

As a tactical strategy, I'm not convinced there is any advantage to me by giving any warning at all.

I'm more inclined to choose the field of fire if possible and make them come to me through a funnel.

...keep a gun hidden where you're most likely to be held, and go meekly there until they drop their guard...Most likely place is the master bathroom?

I prefer keeping a gun in my pocket.
 
I cannot comply with the wishes of those that have come to do me or my family harm.



One other thing:

my soon-to-be 4yo will pick up where we left off. He’s big, he’s strong, he knows that he always needs to fight back & he shoots.

Am I missing something here?
 
Someone breaking into an occupied residence, (ie, and aggrivated burglary) have already demonstrated they are prepared to kill, injure or over-power to get what they want.

When would I cease resisting, when I'm standing at the Pearly Gates making excuses to Saint Peter!
 
I'm with ya up to the fair warning.

I hear you on that. What I meant was if in the fraction of a second the BG sees my intentions before I rain down hell on earth he decides to make a hasty exit, then that is fair warning.
 
And my GF wonders why I'm so anal about keeping the doors locked and a 870 by the bed.

They had fair warning as soon as they came through the door---thats the only warning they get.
 
I have considerable expereince with what I call dope heads and I have found them to be unable to be reasoned with in most cases. That would be the day I would trust one to follow thru with a truce or aggreement in a home evasion. I unfortuantly live in a place where your supposed to phone the police and not conduct any resistance your self and wait for them to get there. Since it usually takes about awhile for them to get there I would say I would probbably take my chances with being charged. There have been a few cases where the homeowner actually killed the BGs and after a lot of legal BS they have been cleared.
 
The pamphlet is certainly self-serving, but it also is written to the level of the average person, who is likely to have scant ability to effectively resist. Anyway, it's the wrong answer.

My assumption would be that anyone who's invaded my home has no regard for my life. That's simply been proven to be the case too many times--it's an enormous leap of faith and logic to think for a second that you might have had the exceptionally good fortune to have had your home invaded by generous, kind people.

Obviously you must consider the tools at your disposal and think in terms of obtaining a tactical advantage, but you would be an idiot not to counterattack with everything at your disposal at the first opportunity. If someone has broken into your home, the only logical assumption is that they are willing to kill you and your family to get what they want.
 
What a bunch of liberal pansy-ism.

They're located in NJ. What do you expect? And you can be sure that "advice" went through their legal department first.
 
The pamphlet is certainly self-serving, but it also is written to the level of the average person, who is likely to have scant ability to effectively resist. Anyway, it's the wrong answer.

My assumption would be that anyone who's invaded my home has no regard for my life. That's simply been proven to be the case too many times--it's an enormous leap of faith and logic to think for a second that you might have had the exceptionally good fortune to have had your home invaded by generous, kind people.

Obviously you must consider the tools at your disposal and think in terms of obtaining a tactical advantage, but you would be an idiot not to counterattack with everything at your disposal at the first opportunity. If someone has broken into your home, the only logical assumption is that they are willing to kill you and your family to get what they want.
I posted on Keith Radtke before (The Will To Survive). He is a Minnesota lawyer who's home was invaded. He was shot with a .45acp but still managed to keep his attacker in a wrestling hold until police arrived. His wife deserved a lot of credit for her actions as well. Their attacker was willing to kill them both.
 
I wish I were obscenely rich, so rich that lawsuits didn't bother me. I'd start an "insurance company" but only insure those households that had a 1:1 gun/resident ratio, or better. To lower your premiums, you could take practical shooting classes. Any IDPA competitor would get rock bottom premiums. I'd also pay out a few thousand bucks for each dirtbag you killed, maybe make it a sliding scale... if they've been arrested before, you get $500 for each crime that they've committed.

I'd name my company "EFF YOU SHUMER Insurance, LLC"
 
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