Where do Anti's come from?

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what? history? down here they do. teachers owning guns? yup. im in summer school (stupid geometry...) and my teacher was talking about shooting .44 magnum handguns at 100 yard targets when he was in highschool. no idea how it related to math, but it was a good story!
 
what? history? down here they do.
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Yes, non revised history. The high school here where I live it seems does not allow history to be taught unless it follows the "approved" curriculum in which, as an example, the Mexicans taking the Alamo are the victims and Bowie, Crockett etc the "aggressors".

And that's in Texas of all places.....

That's why I ask. If you can teach real history you could possibly have an impact, but it seems more and more the powers that be are deciding to teach the revised version.
 
"America is truly a great place to be because the government trusts us enough to have guns to defend ourselves and shoot back if need be."

The government doesn't trust us anymore than we trust it. The Founding Fathers had great foresight in knowing the minds of despots and kings, and the knowledge that power corrupts absolutely . They knew that if America grew in power, so would its government. Sooner or later, the government they would have would be no better than the government they left behind. So they prepared for it. It is up to us to continue the struggle they started and be always ready to take up the new fight. Antis are ignorant, plain and simple. I don't care if they want to put their head in the sand, don't write laws that force me to do the same.

I won't obey them.
 
Sebastion....I have never lived under a despot. I think that was your post. Anyone lived in a country that deprived you of everything???
 
well, a boy anti meets a girl anti, and they rub their naughty bits, and -wow!- the magical anti stork brings them a brand new anti!!!
 
Lack of knowledge or experience with firearms.

I bet that a lot of anti's have never fired a gun, or spent much time around responsible gun owners. My wife didn't care for guns in general, until I took her to fire the .22 that her dad had given to me. Not only did she like it, but she's a great shot.
I also think thot there are a lot of anti's who have lost loved ones to gun violence. Out of fear and ignorance,(lack of knowledge) their natural reaction is to hate the gun itself, not the people who misuse firearms.
Until there is more education, I think fear will outweigh rational thought, and we will have anti's pushing un-effective gun control laws.
 
Uhmm... I see 2 questions in the original post

1) The title "Where do Anti's come from

2)"Is there anyone who has lived under a despot or through a revolution/civil war that does not support the Right to Keep and Bear Arms?"

I cannot answer the 2nd question.

But as to the first, may I suggest trying to answer the question in order to understand the Antis and their point of view (Not for PC reasons but for Sun Tzu's reasons *) Insulting our opponents and belittling them is not a smart thing to do if you wish to win.

I know of 2 sources of anti's that have not yet been mentioned.

A) People who have lost a family member or close friend that has been killed/maimed/wounded by the misuse of a firearm.

Logical? Not from my point of view, but it is extremely real and I have seen it a number of times. Please remember the vast majority of people are not logical.

B) People who have seen and/or worked on people who have been killed/maimed/wounded by the misuse of a firearm.

I include in the above LEO's, EMTs/Parmedics, Healthcare workers and Funeral Directors/Embalmers.

My older brother is one such person :eek: . He is one of the smartest people I know, he taught me how to shoot and I bought my first gun (airgun) from him. He is also a pediatric surgeon who is a member of Handgun Control :eek: (or whatever they are calling themselves lately). I have run into a number of people like him in the medical field ( I work in a large innercity university hosptial setting)

Intersting topic If we take it seriously. I have to go to work now. I hope that by the time I get home some more serious discussion occurs on this thread and that it does not devolve into Anti name calling and self promotion.

NukemJim


*Sun Tzu
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
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Use the search feature and find the threads "Confessions of an Anti" by Foreign Dude.

It was an excellent series on the indoctrination of anti philosophy and his eventual conversion. I think it was in 4 parts.
 
Fear, ignorance, & indoctrination.

From my encounters with the anti-folk, there is an inverse proportion of knowledge/experience with firearms to the level of anti: The less they have been around firearms/have knowledge about them, the more anti they are. The converse is true as well... sometimes the horse just wont drink.
 
"know where antis come from. they come from the north"


hey im from ohio and im no anti but i do live in preble county often refered to as prebletuckey the most redneck place in ohio
 
I know a lot of anti's (I'm from Massachusetts) and can tell you from personal experience that a lot of them, actually all of the anti's that I'm personally acquainted with, are wonderful people with the most sincere and upright of intentions. I've heard the saying that anti's want to feel safe and pro's want to be safe. IMHO, that's just pro-gun rhetoric. Everyone want's to actually be safe.
The real problem is much more deep-seeded than that. The state of American culture is on that is devoid of a sense of personal responsibility. The majority of the U.S. population wants to be legislated through life. They want laws telling them what to do and what not to do. They feel it's the government's job to care for them like a parent cares for a child. Heck, this is true on even on a very small scale. At the company I work for (manufacturing of engine parts) I have seen employees go to the HR manager because someone was "hogging the microwave in the breakroom". People don't want to work things out for themselves, take care of themselves, or fend for themselves. They want to pass that responsibility to someone who's "in charge".
That's one of the things that irritated me about my time in the Marines (which was an overall positive experience which I'm very proud of. I'm not now nor would I ever bash the Corps). When I was nearing my time to decide to re-up or get out, a lot of other guys were facing the same decision at the same time. A few of them made the decision to stay in solely because "it's so easy, you just do what you're told, and you get paid for it." They were brought up in that culture of the nanny-state, the society were you just follow the rules like a good boy and those who know better will take care of you.
This brings me to the largest, and truly the saddest difference between anti's and pro's. For anti's, all this makes sense. They think it is good and right, it's what's best for them, for their families, for society. They have lost all touch with the meaning behind a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Beyond that, they really don't feel capable of trusting themselves or taking care of themselves. When anti's say you shouldn't have a gun, what they are saying is they don't trust themselves to have guns, and since you couldn't possibly be better than them, you aren't to be trusted either. Leave all that to the people in charge. That's their job, not ours. That's what we pay them for.
Until anti's start to realize that they aren't helpless and are able to care for themselves without the assisitance of legislation, and until they are able to think for themselves without the guidance of the media, they will remain anti. But once they taste the freedom and sense of empowerment that comes with accepting personal responsibility, they will slowly join our side. God know's when, or if that day will ever come.
 
Like everything else in life, knowledge is crucial to forming a well rounded opinion on the subject. As the above poster mentioned, most folks that support strict gun control laws do not know much about firearms. But if a well informed person has that opinion (anti-gun), then his opininion is just as valid as mine.

People affected by violence go both ways in terms of gun control. The socialist leaning person will invariably choose more and stricter laws believing that the laws will make them safer. The other side believes that their security is in their own hands and will take measures to insure that security such as owning firearms and learning to shoot them.

I have never lived in any country other than the USA for an extended period of time. So, I have no valid opinion on this question.
 
Advocates of banning guns think we can substitute material things for human self-control, but this approach won't wash. It is the human moral will that saves us from violence, not the presence or absence of weapons. We should reject utterly the absurd theory that weapons are the cause of violence.

Their "solution" implies that we can trust government with a monopoly on guns, even though we cannot trust ourselves with them. This is not a "solution" I trust.
 
I don't think the idea is "evil," I think it's a perception.

I once heard a joke about car drivers. In describing the way people drive, a "fudd" is anyone who gets in your way, and a "maniac" is anyone who passes you.

I know lots of people who own firearms and honestly question me about owning a large cruiser motorcycle or taking a ride without a helmet.

In their idea of "perception," the idea of their use of this country's freedoms is reasonable. Anyone who is "too free" is just another nut.

For example, in the 1960's there were lots of so-called hippies who moved out of the cities, built communes, planted their own food and never hurt anyone. In fact, in discussing the Haight-Improvement-Plan, the peaceful hippie far out-weighs in numbers the group that became the SDS or The Weather Underground.

I was never a member of that group at any level, but it's still painful to watch sections of "Easy Rider." And trust me, in working along side the dock workers and truckers at Master Lock, its not a far jump in reality.

In a sense, I simply view what you describe as an "anti" is just another leftie with an idea and a microphone. I wish they supported the Bill of Rights. I wished that they would stay out of my business, quit talking about helmets they don't have to wear and quit harrassing sportsmen.

But part of me wonders if I represent a person who is just "too free."

If you have the DVD of Easy Rider, consider that idea when viewing the scene when Jack Nicholson explains freedom to Dennis Hopper around a campfire.
 
This is my theory on it, sort of a variation of the "misery loves company" idea expressed earlier in the thread.

People tend to have disdain for other people who do not share their same inadequacies, fears, prejudices, etc. Rather than view it as admirable, they lash out at those other people because subconsciously they don't like seeing the contrast to their own weaknesses. Rather than confront their own cowardly victim mentality, they dismiss those not similarly shackled by that submissive mentality as being some sort of paranoid "gun nut" inbred hick, etc ad nauseam.

Obviously antis are formed in many different ways, but my observation has been that the most dyed-in-the-wool antis are described by the above.
 
Phil DeGraves said:
Use the search feature and find the threads "Confessions of an Anti" by Foreign Dude.

It was an excellent series on the indoctrination of anti philosophy and his eventual conversion. I think it was in 4 parts.
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Engaging story - thank you for the tip.
 
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