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So ridiculous it made me laugh
http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~msb46/Gun_Ban.html

Mark Beale
English 105

Getting Rid of People Killers

The SVD Dragonuv Sniper rifle has a ten round clip. A single bullet rockets out of the barrel at a speed of 830 meters per second. Each bullet is 7.62 millimeters long. It is an effective killer at 3800 meters. The Dragonuiv has a detachable bayonet . The SVD Dragonuv sniper rifle is a rifle created just for killing humans. It is not a hunting rifle or a small arm. It is a large caliber sniper rifle that can kill even at a long distance away with precise accuracy and almost total anonymity. The Ak-103 is an assault rifle that hurls 600 bullets per minute. The rifle comes with a thirty round clip. That means that all thirty bullets are shot in less than three seconds. Yet rifles like the Dragonuv and the Ak-103 are owned by Americans and can be sold to anyone. American citizens have the right to own machine guns and assault rifles that have no other purpose than to kill two legged animals. The second amendment does not protect that right. In fact the second amendment only protects the ownership of arms by a militia, which is the national guard. High powered assault rifles should be banned in America because there only purpose is killing humans, they can be easily bought and sold without any paper trail, and the second amendment does not protect the ownership of these guns.
An Ak 47 is the rifle that is used by most terrorist forces. An MP5 is the submachine gun that is used by the swat team and the army in small urban situations. The M16 is the assault rifle that American Marines and Army men use. These are guns that are used for the sole purpose of killing people. Each one of these guns is legal to own by any citizen of America. What use do legal and upstanding American citizens have for rifles that are used solely for the extermination of other human beings? It can be argued that American citizens should have the right to carry hunting rifles or small handguns for protection and hunting, but these weapons are neither for protection nor for hunting. What is worse, in Arizona and in Texas, a gun owner can sell a gun to anyone of legal age without any paper work. The machine gun or assault rifle can be sold to the highest bidder. This causes automatic weapons to be nearly untraceable to their current owner. While there have been laws that enforce citizens with automatic weapons to purchase a license which costs a few thousand dollars, the felons and criminals that do use automatic weapons will not purchase the permit. The government has set up a system were only the exorbitantly rich may own an automatic gun legally and criminals to own them for free. Almost all the guns that are illegally owned in America started out as legally owned weapons. That means these weapons were sold or stolen. The obvious solution is to remove the guns that are used for the purpose of killing people. Leave military arms inside the military and out of America.
For purchasing handguns and machine guns a background check is executed. The gun owner and distributor uses a database to find information on the possible buyer. A three day waiting period is instituted as the background check runs through. Once the person has passed the background check he or she can purchase any type of gun desired. Even with these background checks, the reports are destroyed shortly after the purchasing of the gun for the buyers own personal safety. The background check has private information that has been ordered to be destroyed by the United States Ggovernment. The problem is that illegal aliens or those that are criminal but have an alias can go through this background check freely and purchase any gun they desire. The FBI collects the names of those who have purchased handguns and machine guns in the United States. So shortly after the sale, the FBI has a list of who owns a gun. On that list they discover many people who should not be in possession of those guns.
If the FBI finds a record showing an allowed transfer to a “prohibited person†(e.g., a transfer to an alien who is illegally or unlawfully in the United States), that record indicates a potential violation of law, and the FBI may disclose the record to the appropriate law enforcement entity. These audits of the accuracy of responses given by NICS, and the additional (secondary) benefit of assisting law enforcement investigations, generally would not be possible under a next-day destruction policy. -United States General Accounting Office, “Gun Controlâ€, 2002

What few people know is that any person over the age of eighteen can walk into any gun shop or Walmart and purchase a sniper rifle. Because the government does not classify one type of rifle as a sniper rifle, all rifles can be bought and purchased without any background check. All the person needs is an authentic ID that states he or she is eighteen years of age. The SVD Dragonuv rifle that has been described above can be purchased by anyone without any paper trail following them. What is more amazing is that the owner can sell his rifle without any sort of paper work whatsoever. This can be very easily seen at any gun show all over the United States. Not only will there be gigantic booths with any type of gun imaginable for sale, but there are men and women walking around with a rifle strapped to their back and a for sale sign extending from the barrel of the rifle. You will see other people walking up and pulling out of their pocket a wad of cash and purchase the gun right there. Convicted felons and murderers can and do buy high caliber sniper rifles with no trace whatsoever. This is the cause for the recent tarot card sniper. A Jamaican man and his son have purchased a high powered rifle and used it to kill over ten people in the New England area. Which is further proof that such weapons should be banned.
The second amendment gives the right for a well regimented militia to own firearms. No where does it state that any citizen has the right to own any firearm, let alone high powered rifles and machine guns. Each state has a well regulated militia that the governor has total control over. This militia is the National Guard. It has been established to be the state’s individual protector and defender. It is used in case of a tyrannical take over of the government or in times of emergency. The National Guard is the well regulated militia that is spoken about in the second amendment. Our government does not protect the right to own guns. To create a very reasonable law to outlaw the selling and ownership of sniper rifles, assault rifles, and machine guns would not contradict the constitution of the United States.
The use and owning of high powered sniper rifles and machine guns should be banned in the United States. The guns are used for the sole purpose of killing another human being. The constitution of the United States was created for the protection of it’s people and their rights. The selling and use of machine guns and sniper rifles infringes on the rights of many Americans to live. The second amendment does not protect the selling of these type of weapons and once these weapons are sold it is nearly impossible to find out who is in possession of these weapons. Such weapons should not exist in America.



Works Cited Page
United States General Accounting Office. (2002). Gun Control:potential Effects of Next- Day Destruction of NICS Background Check Records. Washington D.C.: Laurie E. Ekstrand
 
I couldn't get past the first paragraph or so, after I'd counted something like three technical messups that prove the author is obviously not in full grasp of the topic at hand.
 
The Core of Illogic

The use and owning of high powered sniper rifles and machine guns should be banned in the United States. The guns are used for the sole purpose of killing another human being. The constitution of the United States was created for the protection of it’s people and their rights.

Uh... uh.... What if I need a "high powered" rifle to kill another human being to protect my "people and their rights"? Guess the author didn't bother to tie that little issue up.

:rolleyes:
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!

He is just a freshman in a GE English course. That is when they are most vulnerable to the lies of the grabbers! I watched too many friends fall victim to the dark seductions like this of the extreme left. :(

I too, (as well as most of us were probably) was at my utmost misguided and fervent during that time! They come in from high school thinking that because they made it to college, they clearly know everything and yet possess only the feeblest abilities associated with reasoning so they think that ANYTHING is possible. They believe the first outlandish argument they hear, or are even forced to write themselves. He doesn't know any better yet...

To all polite and informed THR members far more qualified than I, I beg you, please save this poor boy before its too late!!! I bet his warped impression negatively generalizes even his own friends. He needs to be shown the truth!
 
"The Dragonuiv has a detachable bayonet ."

There are just too many driveby bayonetings(sp) in this country.

"The Ak-103 is an assault rifle that hurls 600 bullets per minute. "
"Yet rifles like .... Ak-103 are owned by Americans and can be sold to anyone."

After an FBI background check and a couple month wait. And that's assuming said firearm was registered in the US prior to 1986, but who's concerned with facts here.

"American citizens have the right to own machine guns and assault rifles that have no other purpose than to kill two legged animals. "

See above.

"The second amendment does not protect that right. In fact the second amendment only protects the ownership of arms by a militia, which is the national guard."

The national guard didn't exist when the 2nd amendment was written but oh well, those darn facts.

Of course that's just the first paragraph.
 
What are the odds that this kids prof. is a hunter or a strong 2A supporter that would really rip him a new one on this paper? Probably not good, but it'd be sweet justice I think :)
 
I was going to say ''laughable'' ... but in fact it does not amuse me at all .... it does tho anger me that some probably spotty faced doofus can write such PATHETIC junk.

Frightening thing is - this is the sorta crap that when read by anti's and sheep ... sinks home and they take it as gospel.

Oh my ...... Dr- my brain hurts! :banghead: :banghead: :fire:
 
funny, I wrote a paper almost completly opposing that one last semester in my freshman english class. I won't post it here though, don't think my writing is good enough. I did get a B though. I think it would have been an A but the teacher didn't like my views. not that she would come out and say it but any teacher that adds 2 A's and 3 B's and gives you a D for the course has something to hide. I wrote the other papers on such issues as homosexual unions, free speech, and a national language. the scary part of that paper is that he probably got an A+++
 
well, if you think this is rediculous then he has his e-mail address on his web site and asks those that are upset by his works to contact him, or so it seems.

his homepage
http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~msb46/

his e-mail
[email protected]

ps. maybe this does not upset anyone else out there, but his view seem distorted. on one hand he says he is a Chrisian (which I am) but on the other hand he writes a piece such as above.
 
fslflint ... ''homtail.com''!:p :D I assume ''hotmail''??!;)

I feel inclined to write ... but need to summon the energy to deal with (another) doofus of the first order. Maybe I'll try and keep it brief ..... and separate my text into more bite-sized para's too!
 
oops, didn't even notice that, to disturbed. the funny thing is that I actually just cut and pasted it from his site.
 
The boy is at least on the right track, acknowleding that criminals do not adhere to the law.

and in Texas, a gun owner can sell a gun to anyone of legal age without any paper work. The machine gun or assault rifle can be sold to the highest bidder. This causes automatic weapons to be nearly untraceable to their current owner. While there have been laws that enforce citizens with automatic weapons to purchase a license which costs a few thousand dollars, the felons and criminals that do use automatic weapons will not purchase the permit.


The above just shows he's either not done any real fact checking or did fact checking against horribly unrealible sources. Not since 1934 have you been able to do a face-to-face legal transfer of an automatic weapon w/out the ATF butting in. The "license" doesn't cost thousands of dollars either -- we all know it's $200. It's not a license either -- it's just a "tax stamp".

I'll try and compose a reasonable follow up to the kid. He seems level headed, just misguided which is VERY easy to do when in college. I'm only 23 and really wish I had more pro-RKBA in college. Kinda makes me wanna go back and finish my degree just to ruffle some kid's (and prof's!) feathers.
 
I am not really in writing mood but sent him the following ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Beale,

I have read your essay ..... and feel obliged to make a reply. I am a strong Second Amendment supporter, gun owner, shooter and I carry a weapon for defence, of self and those I love. I am a law abiding person and responsible... who happens also to enjoy shooting as a recreation. I have no mission to kill.

Sadly, it appears you have not only failed to do your ''homework'' for your treatise but have also seen fit to write down a plethora of unfounded facts. I have neither the time nor the energy to respond to every inaccuracy and example of ''hype'' but take offence at your use of words like ''sniper'', ''assault'' and frequent use of ''machine gun''. These are inflammatory and only serve to further the cause of people such as yourself who write thru emotion rather than logic.

Let us briefly inspect your first (and over long) paragraph.

"Each bullet is 7.62 millimeters long" ....... wrong! That is the caliber or width!

" It is a large caliber sniper rifle" ........ it is NOT a ''sniper rifle'' and caliber size as ''large'' is a matter of relative objectivity.

"It is an effective killer at 3800 meters" ...... well now, that IS impressive! Maybe if fired at 45º to the horizontal, a bullet might just make the distance, falling with a modest terminal velocity! It is probably only ''effective'' out to about 500 yards .... if in fact accurate enough then to hit a target.

You refer to ''machine guns'' as if everyone has them. There are not that many around and are only owned by people with plenty of money - who then also have to pay a large fee each year for the ''privelage''. You will not find these guns showing up in many crime figures.

Please before even considering replying to me or others who voice my criticisms ... do me, and yourself, a favor go and read in depth, from this site .....

http://www.a-human-right.com/

Take a step back and read fully, and maybe you might find out from another perspective, other than your biased and dare I say bigotted viewpoint, that all is not what it seems, or what the media might like to have you believe either.

I am respectfully

Chris B
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STOP_STOP_STOP

Before you tear into this guy go to the site and Look @ the OTHER essey

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~msb46/gun_rights.html

He says:
To take the firearms from good American citizens will do nothing but promote violence and insure safety to criminals and murderers that do carry guns illegally. England and Australia are perfect examples of this. The right to own rifles and guns should be preserved in America because some use hunting a a religious practice, it decreases the crime rate, and ensures that America remains a democracy and not a dictatorship.

AND

The right to own fire-arms is what allows America to stay free and fight even against it’s government to achieve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Maybe he had to write two opposing essays for class, maybe he changed his mind later. He just needs help with his writing and his understanding of the realities of what firearms are and what they do.

If he's sitting on the fence, pull him in; don't push him away!
 
c-bag .. sure, but even if he wrote this piece as an ''excercize'' ... he must research facts better.

Plus .. a visit to Oleg's site should/could be, very educational. That is where some ''realities'' can be gained. Don't want to push him away at all, but he must try and see the whole picture instead of writing in such an ill informed manner..... whatever the motivation.

And ... if he's studying English ... he needs to look harder at his paragraph useage!:p
 
So pathetic that it IS in fact laughable... seriously, I was chuckling from the "7.62mm long" comment till the end of the second paragraph when my patience ran out.

I always avoided controversial topics for the sake of my grade while suffering through freshman english classes... although if some moron in my class had delivered this one, I may have been compelled to respond with the next assignment...

Leave the poor kid alone; I suspect his day to day life is a quite a struggle in itself, without having to deal with emails from a bunch of gun nuts spouting those pesky facts... :D
 
The M16 is the assault rifle that American Marines and Army men use.

Ok..................... (where's the breaking down in hysterical laughter smiley?)

Looking at his home page it seems he's quite interested in "swords" and other tools of dismemberment....
 
STOP_STOP_STOP

Before you tear into this guy go to the site and Look @ the OTHER essey

Exactly! You get the impression from the original posted essay that he's not against firearms ownership. He's very much like a number of my own friends -- they just FREAK out when they seen an AR-15 pattern rifle. They go into shrieking Dianne Feinstein mode over the whole deal. He's the same way. It's natural.... I kinda used to be that way.

Here's my post the feller via email:

I'll start with saying that I'm sorry you're likely to get a few emails
opposing your view on the banning of firearms from the American public. Your
essay was posted on a very pro-firearms board (http://www.thehighroad.org) and
there's a number of people that oppose your view that will probably respond
wiht less than eloquent emails. I'll try not to be one of them, but I do feel
I should try and fix up a few factual problems in your essay.


Before that though I will admit I share your view on English lit in college
edcucation. I got horribly sick of having "pro-gay" and "pro-woman" and
"pro-black" crap shoved down my throat. I'm all for their rights, but they
don't need to make such an absurd point about it! Since you have been very
candid on your website about how you think, and you you are, I'll provide the
same to you so you know more about where I'm coming from.

I'm 23, male, and college educated though I left before I completed my degree
program for the workforce. I'm also a Christian. I subscribe to no specific
denomination, the Bible is my guide and that's it. The only churches I feel
really comfortable in are non-denominational. I took interest in the right to
keep and bear arms shortly after I turned 21. My political beleifs are
liberterian in nature and I'm a strict Constitutionalist.

With that aside, I'm going to now pull pieces from your paper located at:
http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~msb46/Gun_Ban.html

The SVD Dragonuv Sniper rifle has a ten round clip. A single bullet rockets
out of the barrel at a speed of 830 meters per second. Each bullet is 7.62
millimeters long. It is an effective killer at 3800 meters.

The SVD may very well have a 10 round magazine. I cannot dispute that as I
don't own one personally and haven't ever fondled one. It is a semi-automatic
rifle though.

A muzzle velocity of 830 meters per second isn't uncommon. It's not even that
horribly fast. Nothing to be scared of there. All bullets move fast when
coming out of the barrel of a gun.

The bullets in a SVD are not 7.62mm long. They are 7.62 meters in diameter
which is .30 inches. The cartridge is 54mm long and the cartridge is
identified by the notation: 7.62x54R. The "R" stands for rimmed.

It is not an effective killer at 3800 meters. The round cannot sustain
accuracy at nearly 2.5 miles. I'm sorry if you have found sources that
dispute this. It may very well be able to deliver deadly force at that range
but it will not be accurate at all. There is maybe but one cartridge that can
be accurate at 2.5 miles and that's the .50BMG round. It is far, far, more
powerful that 7.62x54R though.

The 7.62x54R cartridge is employed heavily, or was, by the Russian army. It
was adopted around 1891 in for the bolt action Mosin Nagant rifles of that
time. The Mosin Nagant was the standard rifle for the infantry until after
WWII. I own a Mosin Nagant made in 1946. I plan on using it for hunting
black bears in Michigan later this year.

The SVD Dragonuv sniper rifle is a rifle created just for killing humans. It
is not a hunting rifle or a small arm. It is a large caliber sniper rifle that
can kill even at a long distance away with precise accuracy and almost total
anonymity.

The SVD was created for killing humans. I grant you that. That's what a
military arm does. The round, however, is a very capable hunting round. It
is far easier to take down a human being than it is a deer or a bear. It is
not a large caliber round however. Large caliber rounds are capable of taking
down elephants and other big African game. The 7.62x54R is good for no more
than bear, moose, or elk, and moose and elk are really stretching it.
Anonymous it is not. You can hear the report of that round from a good mile
away. I wouldn't consider it accurate beyond 800 meters vs the 3800 you
cited earlier.

In fact the second amendment only protects the ownership of arms by a militia,
which is the national guard. High powered assault rifles should be banned in
America because there only purpose is killing humans,

The National Guard didn't exist when the 2nd ammendment was penned.

In all honesty I'm unable to go line for line with your facts at this point.
The inaccuracies are just too many. I'm sorry for saying that, but it's true.

You cite the AK-47, M16, and MP5 next. All these are fully automatic weapons.
These have been highly regulated since 1934 with the National Firearms Act.
You later claim that they can be transfered with no paperwork between
residents of Texas or Arizona. This is false. Under no circumstances since
1934 has the transfer of a fully automatic weapon been legal without the ATF's
intervention. You must pay a $200 "tax" for transfer of said items. The fee
is not "thousands" of dollars.

However, importation of fully automatic weapons for civialian use has been
banned since 1968. The domestic manufacture of fully automatic weapons has
been banned since 1986. The MP5 has never seen civialian ownerhsip in this
country. Never. It never will either unless the bans on machine gun
manufacturing and importation are rescinded. The MP5 is my by Heckler and
Koch (H&K) in Germany -- I assure you no civialian has never privately owned
one legally.

The government has set up a system were only the exorbitantly rich may own an
automatic gun legally and criminals to own them for free.

I 100% agree with you here!

Later, you say that a 3 day background check is run on a person before
purchase of a handgun. That's not entirely true. What we have in America now
since the Brady Bill is an instant background check system for purchase of all
firearms. Handgun or rifle, it doesn't matter. A background check is done
every time. The government has up to 3 days to issue a "yes" statement. If
they cannot find a reason to issue a "no" in that period a "yes" is defaulted
to. Often this takes 5 minutes. They call in with your name, address, place
of birth, height, weight, eye color, etc. to the FBI or a local branch and
they can issue a "yes" or "no" right there. Very pain free usually.
Sometimes it does cause delays though and those delays are sometimes
worthwhile.

I undertand your fear of such weapons and wishing them to be gone "off the
street". I was once in the same boat. The more you look into the issue
though the more you realize that the laws we have on the books are the result
of "knee jerk" reactions.

If one were to follow your train of logic and remove any firearm capable of
killing a human being or two at a time it would mean total disarmament of the
US population. That might not be a horrific idea to you either. If your
rebuttal to that is that you only want "military" arms removed I assure you I
can find arms designed with no military purpose at all that are equally
repulsive to you. On the same token I can find military arms that look very
much like "hunting" weapons that you may find palatable.

You currently subscribe to a train of thought that is, unfortunately, devoid
of pretty much any logic. I ask you not to take that personally as an insult
to your intelligence. You very much seem to be a reasonable and passionate
person. If you disagree with me I would urge to you write a list of
"features" that a weapon cannot have for private ownership. In previous
experiences I have found that the list given far outweighs anything that the
person really wants outlawed, or allows a huge number of arms that they really
hate.

It's largely a very arbitrary call. If you can prove me otherwise, more power
to you!

Thank you for your time,

Justin Buist
 
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