Where is your powder made??? 2023 edition

[HowieG]

I took a look at the powders of recent manufacture I have readily available in my shop and noted the following:

All Ball powder labeled Winchester, Hodgdon, or Alliant say Made in USA. That would mean General Dynamics St. Marks down in Florida.

Accurate 2460, Belgium. Accurate 1680, USA.

IMR 4064, 4227 (Hodgdon), Australia

H4198, Australia

Reloader 17, Switzerland. Reloader 22, 15, 7, Sweden.

All black powder substitute I have on hand (Pyrodex, Triple 7, Black MZ) is made in the USA.

Like I stated above, these are powders of recent manufacture. I am not quite happy with a sole supplier in a swamp in Florida. A good hurricane would shut that down by destruction of facilities or by evacuation of the work force. I am also not too happy about Australia since they are under threat from the Chinese. Anything in Finland or Sweden could have a Russian problem. Belgium and Switzerland are probably pretty safe, but I bet they really don't produce that much.

Frankly, I am really suprised that there aren't some major powder manufacturers in Mexico. That would seem like a no brainer for supplying the needs of the USA.

Your thoughts??

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I would be more worried about the Econazis shutting down lead extraction/ availability than powder supplies.
Granted, we can theoretically use solid copper or a polymer/copper/bismuth hybrid but steel and tungsten cores are a no-no because "armor piercing."

 

[HowieG]

I would be more worried about the Econazis shutting down lead extraction/ availability than powder supplies.
Granted, we can theoretically use solid copper or a polymer/copper/bismuth hybrid but steel and tungsten cores are a no-no because "armor piercing."

They may shut down lead extraction here, but we will still get it shipped in. It is used in too many other things, like batteries. The econazis don't have a problem with lead and lithium being produced by slave labor in foreign countries. Besides, most of the lead circulating around the US is recycled anyway.

By the way, only armor piercing ammo for HANDGUNS is illegal in the USA and only if that ammo meets the definition of armor piercing by the ATF. This is because of the AP handgun bullet vs the standard police vest deal. The so called cop killer ammo.

I think supples of powder and primers are a much bigger issue than lead bullets. Bullets go nowhere without powder.

 

[LiveLife]

Where is your powder made??? 2023 edition

With reloading components returning back in stock, very timely thread for those looking to buy powders from certain countries.

With Hodgdon buying Accurate/Ramshot powders, sources of manufacture could have changed from past years.

I checked my new box of powders purchased last year and No 2/Titegroup/H335/BL-C(2) all say "Made in USA". And Hodgdon discontinued IMR Target/Red/Green/Unequal (Too bad because I liked Target).

We did similar group exercise back in 2016 after the "Great Component Shortage of 2013" and produced the following list that we can update - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-components-made.577067/page-4#post-10297475

IMR 4064 ... Australia

I thought manufacture moved to Canada and now back to Australia? (I will put "?" mark)

Accurate powders:
No 2 - USA
No 5 - USA
No 7 - Belgium now USA
No 9 - Belgium now USA
1680 - Israel now USA

Alliant powders:
Bullseye - USA
All "Dot" powders - USA
Promo - USA
Sport Pistol - USA
Unique - USA
BE-86 - USA
Power Pistol - USA
Herco - USA
Reloder 7 - Sweden
Reloder 10X - Sweden
Reloder 15 - Sweden
Reloder 16 - Switzerland
Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Reloder 19 - Sweden
Reloder 22 - Sweden
Reloder 25 - Sweden
Reloder 26 - Switzerland
Reloder 33 - Switzerland
Reloder 50 - Switzerland

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon powders:
Titewad - USA
HP-38 - USA
Titegroup - USA
Clays - Australia now Canada
International Clays - Australia now Canada
Universal Clays - Australia now Canada
CFE Pistol - USA
HS-6 - USA
Longshot - USA
H110 - USA
H322 - Australia
H335 - USA
H380 - USA
H414 - USA
CFE 223 - USA
Lil' Gun - USA
Hybrid 100V - USA
Benchmark - Australia
BL-C(2) - USA
H4198 - Australia
H4227 - Australia
H4350 - Australia
H4831 - Australia
H4831 SC - Australia
H4895 - Australia now USA?
Varget - Australia
50 BMG - Australia
H1000 - Australia
Leverevolution - USA
Superformance - USA
Retumbo - Australia
US869 - USA

IMR powders:
700X - USA
800X - USA
PB - Canada
IMR Trail Boss - Australia
SR 4756 - Canada
SR 4759 - Canada
SR 7625 - Canada
I3031 - Canada
I4007 SSC - Canada
I4064 - Canada
I4166 - Canada
I4198 - Australia
I4227 - Australia
I4320 - Canada
I4350 - Canada
I4451 - Canada
I4895 - Canada now USA?
I4831 - Canada
I4955 - Canada
I7828 - Canada
I7828 SSC - Canada
I7977 - Canada
8208 XBR - Australia

Maxam/CSB powders - Spain

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries
N203 - Sweden
MRP - Sweden

Ramshot powders:
Silhouette - USA
ZIP - Belgium
True Blue - Belgium
TAC - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester Powders:
AA Lite - USA
231 - USA
244 - USA
WST - USA
WSF - USA
WSH - USA
AutoComp - USA
296 - USA
748 - USA
760 - USA
Supreme 780 - USA

 

[HowieG]

With reloading components returning back in stock, very timely thread for those looking to buy powders from certain countries.

With Hodgdon buying Accurate/Ramshot powders, sources of manufacture could have changed from past years.

I checked my new box of powders purchased last year and No 2/Titegroup/H335/BL-C(2) all say "Made in USA". And Hodgdon discontinued IMR Target/Red/Green/Unequal (Too bad because I liked Target).

We did similar group exercise back in 2016 after the "Great Component Shortage of 2013" and produced the following list that we can update - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-components-made.577067/page-4#post-10297475


I thought manufacture moved to Canada and now back to Australia? (I will put "?" mark)

Accurate powders:
No 2 - USA
No 5 - USA
No 7 - Belgium now USA
No 9 - Belgium now USA
1680 - Israel now USA

Alliant powders:
Bullseye - USA
All "Dot" powders - USA
Promo - USA
Sport Pistol - USA
Unique - USA
BE-86 - USA
Power Pistol - USA
Herco - USA
Reloder 7 - Sweden
Reloder 10X - Sweden
Reloder 15 - Sweden
Reloder 16 - Switzerland
Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Reloder 19 - Sweden
Reloder 22 - Sweden
Reloder 25 - Sweden
Reloder 26 - Switzerland
Reloder 33 - Switzerland
Reloder 50 - Switzerland

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon powders:
Titewad - USA
HP-38 - USA
Titegroup - USA
Clays - Australia now Canada
International Clays - Australia now Canada
Universal Clays - Australia now Canada
CFE Pistol - USA
HS-6 - USA
Longshot - USA
H110 - USA
H322 - Australia
H335 - USA
H380 - USA
H414 - USA
CFE 223 - USA
Lil' Gun - USA
Hybrid 100V - USA
Benchmark - Australia
BL-C(2) - USA
H4198 - Australia
H4227 - Australia
H4350 - Australia
H4831 - Australia
H4831 SC - Australia
H4895 - Australia now USA?
Varget - Australia
50 BMG - Australia
H1000 - Australia
Leverevolution - USA
Superformance - USA
Retumbo - Australia
US869 - USA

IMR powders:
700X - USA
800X - USA
PB - Canada
IMR Trail Boss - Australia
SR 4756 - Canada
SR 4759 - Canada
SR 7625 - Canada
I3031 - Canada
I4007 SSC - Canada
I4064 - Canada now Australia?
I4166 - Canada
I4198 - Australia
I4227 - Australia
I4320 - Canada
I4350 - Canada
I4451 - Canada
I4895 - Canada now USA?
I4831 - Canada
I4955 - Canada
I7828 - Canada
I7828 SSC - Canada
I7977 - Canada
8208 XBR - Australia

Maxam/CSB powders - Spain

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries
N203 - Sweden
MRP - Sweden

Ramshot powders:
Silhouette - USA
ZIP - Belgium
True Blue - Belgium
TAC - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester Powders:
AA Lite - USA
231 - USA
244 - USA
WST - USA
WSF - USA
WSH - USA
AutoComp - USA
296 - USA
748 - USA
760 - USA
Supreme 780 - USA

You are right about 4064. I just didn't get Canada typed in there. I have several pounds and it is all Canadian. IMR 4227 says Australia.

 

[HowieG]

Well, GOEX has changed at least. Hodgdon shut down production in 2021.

 

[HowieG]

St. Marks makes most, or all, of the ball powder for the US military. I certainly don't think it is wise to have one production facility for a critical item, but that seems to be the way things are done today. You can be sure that if the military had a sudden problem, the supply of ball for civilians might just dry up completely. Looking at my inventory, ball powders are in the majority.

 

[HowieG]

Entered in error.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I took a look at the powders of recent manufacture I have readily available in my shop and noted the following:

All Ball powder labeled Winchester, Hodgdon, or Alliant say Made in USA. That would mean General Dynamics St. Marks down in Florida.

Accurate 2460, Belgium. Accurate 1680, USA.

IMR 4064, 4227 (Hodgdon), Australia

H4198, Australia

Reloader 17, Switzerland. Reloader 22, 15, 7, Sweden.

All black powder substitute I have on hand (Pyrodex, Triple 7, Black MZ) is made in the USA.

Like I stated above, these are powders of recent manufacture. I am not quite happy with a sole supplier in a swamp in Florida. A good hurricane would shut that down by destruction of facilities or by evacuation of the work force. I am also not too happy about Australia since they are under threat from the Chinese. Anything in Finland or Sweden could have a Russian problem. Belgium and Switzerland are probably pretty safe, but I bet they really don't produce that much.

Frankly, I am really suprised that there aren't some major powder manufacturers in Mexico. That would seem like a no brainer for supplying the needs of the USA.

Your thoughts??

To be honest, the last several times Finland had a Russian problem, it very quickly turned into Russia having a Finnish problem. The Finns are a very independent people.
The last time Belgium had a problem - other than the occasional Frankish invasion and occupation - it was with anarchists. They are still having problems with anarchists. They will probably always have problems with anarchists. And organized crime - which are kind of the same thing. Belgium is a beautiful and prosperous country ripe for the plucking by lazy, stupid, crooked and corrupt malcontents.
Florida is actually pretty good at the whole hurricane thing. The last time a big wind and lots of rain blew through St. Marks came through unscathed.
As for Australia… yeah, beats me. I’m very confused by what the Aussies have been up to lately.

 

[HowieG]

To be honest, the last several times Finland had a Russian problem, it very quickly turned into Russia having a Finnish problem. The Finns are a very independent people.
The last time Belgium had a problem - other than the occasional Frankish invasion and occupation - it was with anarchists. They are still having problems with anarchists. They will probably always have problems with anarchists. And organized crime - which are kind of the same thing. Belgium is a beautiful and prosperous country ripe for the plucking by lazy, stupid, crooked and corrupt malcontents.
Florida is actually pretty good at the whole hurricane thing. The last time a big wind and lots of rain blew through St. Marks came through unscathed.
As for Australia… yeah, beats me. I’m very confused by what the Aussies have been up to lately.

I don't worry about Belgium too much. Germany is pretty stable these days.

Yeah, Finland is tough, but war has a tendency of interrupting things at least temporarily. I would imagine if Russia got a wild hair, Finland would NOT be exporting powder to us!

I am sure St. Marks is hurricane resistant, but it would shut down anyway if the workforce got displaced. A supply shortage would depend on what is stockpiled at that point.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I don't worry about Belgium too much. Germany is pretty stable these days.

Yeah, Finland is tough, but war has a tendency of interrupting things at least temporarily. I would imagine if Russia got a wild hair, Finland would NOT be exporting powder to us!

I am sure St. Marks is hurricane resistant, but it would shut down anyway if the workforce got displaced. A supply shortage would depend on what is stockpiled at that point.

You asked for thoughts. I answered. You didn’t like my answers. Never mind.

 

[HowieG]

You asked for thoughts. I answered. You didn’t like my answers. Never mind.

Well, sorry you got that impression.

 

[LiveLife]

I thought [IMR 4064] manufacture moved to Canada and now back to Australia? (I will put "?" mark)

You are right about 4064. I just didn't get Canada typed in there

OK, I will remove the "?".

 

[HowieG]

Anybody know about the Australian producer(s)? I know zip about them.

 

[LiveLife]

Can we get verification whether H4895 is made in Australia or USA?

Also whether IMR4895 is made in Canada or USA?

 

[HowieG]

OK, I will remove the "?".

Canada is socialist. Can't even buy an air rifle up there. Maybe the "?" is warranted??

 

[LiveLife]

Canada is socialist. Can't even buy an air rifle up there. Maybe the "?" is warranted??

"?" is whether the country of manufacture is verified to be correct as in recent years/decades, manufacture country changed for some powders due to many reasons.

 

[HowieG]

Can we get verification whether H4895 is made in Australia or USA?

Also whether IMR4895 is made in Canada or USA?

Not from me. The only container I have is IMR4895 in a TIN CAN made by DuPont.

 

[LiveLife]

The only container I have is IMR4895 in a TIN CAN made by DuPont.

That we know was made in USA

 

[brewer12345]

I have a dumb question: The weapons being sent to Ukraine have heavily depleted US stockpiles and it looks like the gummint is starting to take action to restock. At what point does powder made in the US become less available than overseas made stuff as the military generally gets first whack at anything it wants?

 

[HowieG]

That we know was made in USA

Obviously NOT one of the powders I use much. I also have a full pound of HiVel No 2. Pretty sure I won't use that at this point.

 

[Jim Watson]

H4895 - Australia now USA?

I4895 - Canada now USA?

I don't know anything to indicate US production of 4895 or other extruded powder.
The keg labels on the Hodgdon site say H4895 Made in Australia, packaged in USA; IMR4895 Made in Canada, packaged in USA.

I remember when Accurate started out getting Ball process powder from Israel, then China, now USA.

I have partial cans of H322, one from Australia, one from Scotland. Velocity with the same load is close but not quite the same.

 

[LiveLife]

I have a dumb question: The weapons being sent to Ukraine have heavily depleted US stockpiles and it looks like the gummint is starting to take action to restock. At what point does powder made in the US become less available than overseas made stuff as the military generally gets first whack at anything it wants?

US military surplus/rotate out small arms munitions due to age on a regular basis ... Perhaps that's what's being sent to Ukraine.

But don't want to hijack this thread so let's focus back to OP.

If you want to discuss your concern further, you can start a new thread in "General Gun Discussions" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?forums/general-gun-discussions.2/

 

[HowieG]

I have a dumb question: The weapons being sent to Ukraine have heavily depleted US stockpiles and it looks like the gummint is starting to take action to restock. At what point does powder made in the US become less available than overseas made stuff as the military generally gets first whack at anything it wants?

We've been sending them a lot of BIG stuff. 155mm artillery ammo and such. St. Marks makes ball powder for small arms. I am not sure there will be an impact.

 

[HowieG]

I don't know anything to indicate US production of 4895 or other extruded powder.
The keg labels on the Hodgdon site say H4895 Made in Australia, packaged in USA; IMR4895 Made in Canada, packaged in USA.

I remember when Accurate started out getting Ball process powder from Israel, then China, now USA.

I have partial cans of H322, one from Australia, one from Scotland. Velocity with the same load is close but not quite the same.

Which velocity is higher? Scotland or Australia? Learn something every day. Didn't know Scotland was ever in the mix.