Throwingdown
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I have been reading about the shortages online, but up until about 3-4 weeks ago, plenty could be found in my area.
Not so now......
Not so now......
Wheres it all going
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HarleyFixer
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You will be long dead before that happens.
moooose102
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ok, here is a scary thought. 
with the way this is going right now, think about how bad of shape we would be in if we entered a war at this very moment! i certainly hope our military has one LARGE stockpile of ammo for such an occurance! :banghead:
with the way this is going right now, think about how bad of shape we would be in if we entered a war at this very moment! i certainly hope our military has one LARGE stockpile of ammo for such an occurance! :banghead:MagnumDweeb
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It's hit and miss here in Central Florida. Was at the local Walmart which is twenty minutes away(bought on the way home from school) and they had some .22lr, a half dozen boxes of sig .357, some .25 ACP, but plenty of 9mm and .30-30. Bought a few 100rd boxes of 9mm and got six boxes of 20rd .30-30.
Granted I'm all stocked up. I took part in the panic in the lead up to the election. A few months before the election I had made 6k(after figuring for taxes) on either Citigroup or Citibank, don't have my records in front of me, and I took two grand and blew it on ammo. Everyone thought I was nuts, but now my friends ask about my ammo stash, which I reply I don't have one. Then I got 2k of 7.62x39 for the two SKSs(and later AK builds), 1k of 9mm, 1k of .357 Magnum, and 500 .44 Magnum, and couple bricks of .22lr and some 12 gauge buck and slug.
After the election till now I got 1k of .223 at .35 cents a round, and 3k of 5.45x39, another 2k of 9mm, 1k of 7.62x25 at one purchase and then another 5k+ at another purchase(I finished my PPSH43 pistol build, and got a few Tokarevs). A surplus pack of .308 Nato of English surplus(750rds), and another k+ of .308 in mixes of Wolf, Winchester, and South African. 990 rounds of 8mm, waiting on another 85 rounds coimng in. 1600 rounds of 7.62x54r. And a ton of reloading supplies. And three more bricks of .22lr.
Now if I can't buy it at Walmart, I'm not buying anymore till after everything settles down. And yes I'm still making money in the stock market, another small business will get launched over the summer, my landscapping business is growing, and I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor who is gaining more and more clients each month. But my spending has been obscene. Yet I still want another 9mm pistol and get one of those Walther P22s, my heritage .22lrs are getting used up it feels. That doesn't mention all the rifle kits I'm working on.
Granted I'm all stocked up. I took part in the panic in the lead up to the election. A few months before the election I had made 6k(after figuring for taxes) on either Citigroup or Citibank, don't have my records in front of me, and I took two grand and blew it on ammo. Everyone thought I was nuts, but now my friends ask about my ammo stash, which I reply I don't have one. Then I got 2k of 7.62x39 for the two SKSs(and later AK builds), 1k of 9mm, 1k of .357 Magnum, and 500 .44 Magnum, and couple bricks of .22lr and some 12 gauge buck and slug.
After the election till now I got 1k of .223 at .35 cents a round, and 3k of 5.45x39, another 2k of 9mm, 1k of 7.62x25 at one purchase and then another 5k+ at another purchase(I finished my PPSH43 pistol build, and got a few Tokarevs). A surplus pack of .308 Nato of English surplus(750rds), and another k+ of .308 in mixes of Wolf, Winchester, and South African. 990 rounds of 8mm, waiting on another 85 rounds coimng in. 1600 rounds of 7.62x54r. And a ton of reloading supplies. And three more bricks of .22lr.
Now if I can't buy it at Walmart, I'm not buying anymore till after everything settles down. And yes I'm still making money in the stock market, another small business will get launched over the summer, my landscapping business is growing, and I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor who is gaining more and more clients each month. But my spending has been obscene. Yet I still want another 9mm pistol and get one of those Walther P22s, my heritage .22lrs are getting used up it feels. That doesn't mention all the rifle kits I'm working on.
Suicide*Ride
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OK MagnumDweeb,
we must meet FTF for a sit down, as I'm the self appointed Mid-West chapter leader of "A.A" (Ammunition Anonymous) & after talking w/ others in the group, we all agree & have passed the plate to collect the five rds. you need to round up your stockpile to 22,000 rds.!
(Yes-I counted!!) 
(Jeeze.... I thought I had a problem w/ 17K+ in my stash!!)
OK MagnumDweeb,
we must meet FTF for a sit down, as I'm the self appointed Mid-West chapter leader of "A.A" (Ammunition Anonymous) & after talking w/ others in the group, we all agree & have passed the plate to collect the five rds. you need to round up your stockpile to 22,000 rds.!
(Yes-I counted!!) (Jeeze.... I thought I had a problem w/ 17K+ in my stash!!)
a guy that works for us works part time at walmart, he said that they restock the ammo shelf every night with what they sold the day before. he said that when the pallet comes out at around 1:00 in the morning people are buying it as fast as they put it on the shelf.
I'll take that bet. I got a pretty good idea how much ammo DHS uses annually from one of their purchasing agents. And based on a RFI I received from DOE, I know what the Nevada Test sight goes thru. I have heard rumors of what the big sights that use mini-guns go thru. Walmart does not even come close.
At the last gunshow I had a couple guys screaming at me for buying 11k rounds of mixed 7.62 ammo and 7k rounds of 5.45 ammo. They didn't want to know the trade deal I made on set up day for 308 and 5.56! But I had to make two trips in my suburban to get it home that night.
I am a self professed ammo whore and for ever 1,000rds I shoot I buy another 2k. Been that way for years.
jackstinson
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They told me the same thing last Saturday at one nearest me.
Then they added that many of those are either gun store owners or people reselling it on sites like gunbroker.com .....
pith43
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I'll bet when the numbers come out, we find that gun ownership has made a quantem leap in the past few monthes. Granted several of those new gun owners won't shoot much, but I'll bet that most of them of them are new recruits to the sport of shooting (how can you go shooting and not love it?
). I would even bet that several long time gun owners are shooting more now than they were a year ago. Combine that with hoarding, and, well you get the picture.
I think eventually the demand will diminish, but with all the new shooters, it will never go back to the way it was a year ago.
Cheap ammo... It may get cheaper than right now, but I don't think we will ever see it go back to pre- Obama prices.
Look on the bright side... with all the new shooters, it certainly helps RKBA.
). I would even bet that several long time gun owners are shooting more now than they were a year ago. Combine that with hoarding, and, well you get the picture.I think eventually the demand will diminish, but with all the new shooters, it will never go back to the way it was a year ago.
Cheap ammo... It may get cheaper than right now, but I don't think we will ever see it go back to pre- Obama prices.
Look on the bright side... with all the new shooters, it certainly helps RKBA.
Last summer, we had an oil price bubble and it popped.
In the last 2-3 years, we've had a real estate bubble and it popped.
We are now having an ammo price bubble and it, too, will pop.
I heard an economics professor on TV the other day say that markets can be manipulated in the short run but in the end, the law of supply and demand ALWAYS wins. When we ammo consumers return to reason and common sense and stop panic buying, prices will return to what the market dictates.
We, as consumers, are causing high ammo prices. Stop buying for 3 months and watch the laws of economics reassert themselves.
In the last 2-3 years, we've had a real estate bubble and it popped.
We are now having an ammo price bubble and it, too, will pop.
I heard an economics professor on TV the other day say that markets can be manipulated in the short run but in the end, the law of supply and demand ALWAYS wins. When we ammo consumers return to reason and common sense and stop panic buying, prices will return to what the market dictates.
We, as consumers, are causing high ammo prices. Stop buying for 3 months and watch the laws of economics reassert themselves.
jcwit
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To all of you out there that keep wondering what happened and keep posting "I heard", "I think", "I assume", "somebody told me", "What if", "I believe", or any of the maybe's. Google up the company and find their phone number and call them up and talk to sales or customer service or whoever and get some facts as to what is going on.
Not real hard to do, I managed to accomplish it with 2 companies yesterday. The 2 I spoke to were more than happly to talk to me.
Not real hard to do, I managed to accomplish it with 2 companies yesterday. The 2 I spoke to were more than happly to talk to me.
Crazy I hope you are wrong but I fear you aren't!
As far as the ammo goes .380 is impossible to find in SWMO one local dealer will only sell you a box with a .380 cal pistol purchase. He had 7 or so pistols on the shelf in that caliber and 3 boxes of shells left. So I don't really blame him for the policy.
Kinda hard to sell someone a pistol for SD with no ammo.
As far as the ammo goes .380 is impossible to find in SWMO one local dealer will only sell you a box with a .380 cal pistol purchase. He had 7 or so pistols on the shelf in that caliber and 3 boxes of shells left. So I don't really blame him for the policy.
Kinda hard to sell someone a pistol for SD with no ammo.
Lucky
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Funny thought; everyone speculates it's citizens purchasing it as a hedge against some sort of government socialist rebellion.
...be funny if it was the opposite?
...be funny if it was the opposite?
searcher451
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The problem does not lie with the manufacturers. The problem lies with the shooting public, the casual gun owner, the vigilant collector, the Second Amendment protector, the NRA enthusiast, the motivated gun board member -- all of whom apparently believe that the box of Winchester White Box they spot on the local WallyWorld shelf is the very last box of Winchester White Box that will ever be produced again.
As Pogo used to say so simply and eloquently, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
As Pogo used to say so simply and eloquently, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
ThrottleJockey
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"The problem does not lie with the manufacturers. The problem lies with the shooting public"
How in gods name could anyone come to this conclusion? If every single person in this country decided to shoot 1000 rounds a day, by your logic we would be at fault? The problem lies with the manufacturers not being able to comply with the demand. We want more, so it's our fault won't fly here. How on earth anyone could conclude that manufacturing shortcomings are the shooting publics fault, is beyond me. Perhaps you didn't think this through very well, or perhaps you've been turned into a non-thinking chattle zombie.
How in gods name could anyone come to this conclusion? If every single person in this country decided to shoot 1000 rounds a day, by your logic we would be at fault? The problem lies with the manufacturers not being able to comply with the demand. We want more, so it's our fault won't fly here. How on earth anyone could conclude that manufacturing shortcomings are the shooting publics fault, is beyond me. Perhaps you didn't think this through very well, or perhaps you've been turned into a non-thinking chattle zombie.
I know that most dealers I've been to lately add to the craze. I've heard more than 1 dealer say "yeah, you better buy it (ammo) up asap because our glorious leader Obama is probably gonna ban everything".
SOMEONE is making a fat profit off all the scare and I doubt the manufacturers themselves have upped their prices 50% - 200%.
SOMEONE is making a fat profit off all the scare and I doubt the manufacturers themselves have upped their prices 50% - 200%.
DHJenkins
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If every person fired 1000 rounds a day, consistantly, then production would meet demand because factories would be used to producing 1,000 rds per person, per day. It's the massive sudden rise in ammunition sales that's causing the problem, not the manufacturers who are running 24/7.
Do you honestly expect a manufacturer to commission a new plant or re-tool a factory for a simple buying spurt? Even if they wanted to, there's no way anything could be designed, planned, constructed, staffed and placed on-online before the frenzy died down.
Demand is outpacing supply. It's very simple
By the logic here, we should also be whining towards the AR companies, too, right?
We've all seen the numbers for both ammo sales and gun sales alike - both sometimes were accompanied by the word 'unprecedented' and/or the phrase 'nothing like this even when people made a run on things in 1993 before the Clinton bill was enacted'.
the demand is way over the supply balance.
We've all seen the numbers for both ammo sales and gun sales alike - both sometimes were accompanied by the word 'unprecedented' and/or the phrase 'nothing like this even when people made a run on things in 1993 before the Clinton bill was enacted'.
the demand is way over the supply balance.
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