Since ohio opened up straight walled cartridge rifles for deer I'm gonna get me one. I'm pretty sure its gonna be a 45-70. I love the looks of the Henry, also I am strongly considering the Marlin guide gun. I cant find a scope mount anywhere for the Henry. I want to put a scope on it because it would almost be pointless to switch from a slug gun to a rifle if I can't shoot past 100yds. The Henry has the XS sights on it from factory which just screams cool to me in which case I could for go the scope idea. For the price of the Henry though I could get the guide gun, base, rings and bushnell scope that a lot of people like on them. So many options. What are some of your opinions?
which 45-70?
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Reloadron
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While I haven't done it with a Marlin Guide Gun 45-70 I do own a Marlin 444 that I did scope for awhile then removed the scope. Think it was a Leupold 4X I had on it. Personally I would go with the Marlin in 45-70 since you want a 45-70 and want to scope it. It's very easily done. I am not knocking the Henry guns as they are excellent guns, I simply prefer a Marlin rifle.
My brother was up this past weekend and saw my 444 Marlin which he asked to borrow for Ohio deer season.
Ron
My brother was up this past weekend and saw my 444 Marlin which he asked to borrow for Ohio deer season.
Ron
bikemutt
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Marlin is a bit easier to top off if you need to. When I was having a hard time finding a Marlin stainless guide gun I considered the Henry but read a few reports about tube problems so I waited it out and found a Marlin. Happy I did, its my favorite rifle.
rcmodel
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Marlin.
If you can find an older, Pre-Remlin used one, when they used to make them right.
But that's pretty hard to do right now.
rc
If you can find an older, Pre-Remlin used one, when they used to make them right.
But that's pretty hard to do right now.
rc
Love my 1895G. I topped mine with an old Weaver K4 and it works like a charm.
TexasPatriot.308
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one that don't knock you on your ass and make you a bad shot
rcmodel
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They can do that?
Only time I ever got whipped by a 45-70 was the first time I shot a friends little Sharps Sporting Carbine with double-set triggers.
I breathed on the set trigger before I had that sucker fully set in my shoulder pocket.
So, it got a running start and punched me a new ticket!
Guide-Guns is easy compared to that iron butt Sharps getting a running head start on me!
rc
Only time I ever got whipped by a 45-70 was the first time I shot a friends little Sharps Sporting Carbine with double-set triggers.
I breathed on the set trigger before I had that sucker fully set in my shoulder pocket.
So, it got a running start and punched me a new ticket!
Guide-Guns is easy compared to that iron butt Sharps getting a running head start on me!
rc
yzguy87
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In the same boat as you although I'm not dead set on the caliber yet.
If I get a 45-70 it will be a Marlin 1895 Classic. I like the 22" barrel, easily scoped and all around aesthetically pleasing (to me anyway!).
If I get a 45-70 it will be a Marlin 1895 Classic. I like the 22" barrel, easily scoped and all around aesthetically pleasing (to me anyway!).
ArchAngelCD
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I own a Marlin 1895 and I'm very happy with it. I mounted a 4X32 scope on mine. There is nothing wrong with the Henry either, it's a good solid accurate rifle. IMO you should buy the one you like the looks of best because the Henry, Marlin and Winchester will all be accurate and reliable.
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The .45-70 is a great cartridge, it and the .45 colt have stood the test of time well.
I have a JM Marlin Ballard #5 Pacific mfg. 1877-78 (best I can narrow down to) in .45-70 and which I only shoot BP and cast PB bullets. The accuracy of the rifle is astounding and sure the heavy weight and light recoil of the rifle has much to do with it.
I have a JM Marlin Ballard #5 Pacific mfg. 1877-78 (best I can narrow down to) in .45-70 and which I only shoot BP and cast PB bullets. The accuracy of the rifle is astounding and sure the heavy weight and light recoil of the rifle has much to do with it.
Personally, I am not a big fan of scopes on the 45-70, or the 50-70. If you actually know how to use them, iron sights can reach all the way to 1000 yards.
Reloadron
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A few weeks ago I tend the National Armory gun shop in Streetsboro, Ohio had a few 45-70 Marlin guns if you choose the Marlin route. I haven't a clue where in Ohio you are but they have a few Ohio locations:
National Armory
9225 State Route 14
Streetsboro, OH 44241
(330) 626-2547
National Armory
5466 Mahoning Ave.
Austintown, OH 44515
(330) 792-1313
National Armory
46300 Walnut St.
Rogers, OH 44455
(330) 227-9344
The Streetsboro location was advertising a few (stainless and blue) on Armslist. I have been to the Streetsboro location and found them to be nice enough people. I have noticed that with the changes to Ohio's hunting regulations that the guns like this are going quick and prices will likely increase. I forget what the pricing was on the guns I saw advertised or if they were new or used guns.
Ron
National Armory
9225 State Route 14
Streetsboro, OH 44241
(330) 626-2547
National Armory
5466 Mahoning Ave.
Austintown, OH 44515
(330) 792-1313
National Armory
46300 Walnut St.
Rogers, OH 44455
(330) 227-9344
The Streetsboro location was advertising a few (stainless and blue) on Armslist. I have been to the Streetsboro location and found them to be nice enough people. I have noticed that with the changes to Ohio's hunting regulations that the guns like this are going quick and prices will likely increase. I forget what the pricing was on the guns I saw advertised or if they were new or used guns.
Ron
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If I were going the .45-70 route I would look for an older Marlin 1895G Guide Gun. For me it's a great design with just the right balance of size and weight.
If you are aiming for a target the size of a deer's vitals...most people would be much better off with a scope over 150 yards. Much easier to see that kill zone with magnification. Much easier to hit that kill zone when you can see it.
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TanklessPro
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I have never been a fan of a scope on a lever gun. IMO a scope modernizes something that is classic. I can't blame you for having to do it because of weird hunting laws. I put a set of Williams on mine and love them. Though my 1895LTD III is more setup as a short range hog gun, I would trust it out to maybe 150 yards. Around these parts most shots are within 75 yards.
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Don McDowell
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I'ld also suggest you look for one of the recent Winchester 1886 rifles if a levergun is what you want.
Strawhat is right about the iron sights, for the most part they'll take care of anything within reasonable shooting distance of a 45-70.
The trajectory of a 45-70 doesn't lend itself well to a modern scope when you start going past 100 yds.
Strawhat is right about the iron sights, for the most part they'll take care of anything within reasonable shooting distance of a 45-70.
The trajectory of a 45-70 doesn't lend itself well to a modern scope when you start going past 100 yds.
Like others I would suggest a Marlin Guide Gun variant with a low power variable or fixed power scope. I would "never" scope either of my Marlin 1894s (.357 Mag, .45 Colt) but a rifle that I might use for a 200 yard shot on a deer, definitely! I have a 1.5-5x scope on my SBL and it's a sub moa rifle with the right load. The target below was shot at 100 yards using Barnes VOR-TX ammunition (300gr TSX FN). When I choose a scope, I try to match it to the performance of the rifle. Marlin 1895s are capable of sub moa accuracy out past 200 yards so I want a sighting system that will allow me to achieve good shot placement on a furry critter that might be hard to see without the use of a scope. I had five Marlins at one point including three 1895s and two 1894s, all with JM barrel stamps. I'm now down to one '95 and two '94s. I've never handled a "Remlin" so I can't offer any help there. All I know is that my three Marlins are not for sale.
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SwampWolf
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I agree completely. A good receiver sight mounted on a Winchester Model 1886 "Extra Light Weight" (Miroku repo), chambered in 45-70, makes for an exceptional heavy cover rifle.
Millamber457
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i have an old guide gun in the 45-70, set it up with see thru rings and a 1.5 to 4 shotgun scope. ( takes the beating well ) The scope works real well in the brush or out to about 150 yards . I really don't like scoping those beauties , but as i get older they eyes need help . go on a search for a pre remlin guide gun if ya can
Like others I would suggest a Marlin Guide Gun variant with a low power variable or fixed power scope. I would "never" scope either of my Marlin 1894s (.357 Mag, .45 Colt) but a rifle that I might use for a 200 yard shot on a deer, definitely! I have a 1.5-5x scope on my SBL and it's a sub moa rifle with the right load. The target below was shot at 100 yards using Barnes VOR-TX ammunition (300gr TSX FN). When I choose a scope, I try to match it to the performance of the rifle. Marlin 1895s are capable of sub moa accuracy out past 200 yards so I want a sighting system that will allow me to achieve good shot placement on a furry critter that might be hard to see without the use of a scope. I had five Marlins at one point including three 1895s and two 1894s, all with JM barrel stamps. I'm now down to one '95 and two '94s. I've never handled a "Remlin" so I can't offer any help there. All I know is that my three Marlins are not for sale.
What brand is that cartridge holder? I like it.
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TallPaul, that is a beauty!
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