Which Ak would you choose?

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The prices on the Arsenal guns through K-Var are the best deal on the market today those guns are also market Legion and made in the sister factory to the normal Saiga line of rifles. Most if not all of the Arsenal rifles ship with a 5 or 10 round mag so they do not have issues with restricted states , we are a direct dealer with Arsneal/ K-var and they will not allow us to ship rifles to California.
 
You could always keep your eye out for a Yugo M70, rpk or a bulgarian. The romak wasr line typically have crap triggers and poor wood. Yugos, bulgarians and norincos tend to be a higher grade rifle.
 
I bought a converted Siaga from Atlantic Arms and I was very happy with the customer service and the weapon. My AK has been totally reliable and is a very nice, accurate rifle. Some guys will talk bad about ANYONE that doesn't do the conversion themselves but I'm very happy with the conversion that was done on mine.
 
Some guys will talk bad about ANYONE that doesn't do the conversion themselves
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Traditionally the issue has been that one can do the work themselves for much much less. That Kvar rifle is a different story. It is a very good buy. It would cost one more to buy a stock saiga (at the current prices) and convert to that same format than to buy the kvar rifle. Also I do not know why any reasonable person would pay Atlantic Nearly $900 for the basically the exact same thing. After further consideration and in light of the Kvar rifle. I am of the opinion that the Atlantic gun is not a ripoff, but rather a HUGE rip off.

I would buy the Kvar if I were in the market for a traditional looking AK.
 
I'll say it. Atlantic has ALWAYS marked up their rifles by to wide a margin. There are other distributors who have beaten their prices all along. Atlantic has offered more selection, yet their prices are easy to beat with a little research.

WASR-10. if youre looking for accuracy, you shouldn't be in the market for an AK
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Maybe, but the Saiga action is way smoother than a WASR. I have shot both and would take a Saiga over the WASR any day.
 
We are a direct dealer for K-var and have the SGL rifles starting @ $499 and up , we are told this price is temporay but they have not given us a specific end date get them while you can these are a good deal !!.
 
atlantic has been high on prices as long as they've been in business. there must be 4000 uneducated buyers a year for them to make the claim that they sell 4000 a year.

+500 on the VZ58. just get the century VZ2008 model for about $600 and you will be in better than any AK you can buy for similar price. i have been building AK for over 5 years, have personally assembled close to 75 of them, of all makes and manufacturers kits have been available in. i have also bought many comercial guns, from milled chinese and forward. i have fired over 30,000 rounds through these guns.

the VZ is a hands down winner over all except for the milled chinese and milled bulgarian, which are really not quite as good as the VZ. sure, it uses different mags, but if you buy 6 for each gun they will last a lifetime, and are no more expensive than good AK mags. mark my words, AK's will plateau in value in the coming years, but VZ will continue to climb, as they are just not as common, and not yet appreciated.
 
KVAR

I believe I posted this question before and apologize if someone answered it. Are the KVAR rifles converted in a manner similar to the way we convert Saigas? In my view, the most important part of the conversion (and the one that requires the most attention) is the forward placement of the trigger group. How are the KVARs configured?

I'm not disputing a claim that you can get, essentially, a converted Saiga for $500, but I'm doubtful. That's less than I paid for the rifle and component parts -- and I'm sure I recall correctly that the rifle was under $400.:scrutiny:
 
It would be pretty hard to screw up installing an AK FCG; they are pretty simple and straight forward. If you can put a round peg in a round hole you ought to be able to figure it out. If there was a problem buy a 6 dollar retaining plate and put it back in right. If you are asking if the FCG is in the right place, they answer is yes.

These actually don't look to be converted like many people do theirs. I say that because I see no left over holes in the receiver or the like. I would like to see close up pictures, particularly of the inside and hear from someone who has one.

That's less than I paid for the rifle and component parts -- and I'm sure I recall correctly that the rifle was under $400.
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Rifle prices seem to be returning to a much more normal price range. Keep in mind that saiga sporters used to cost well under $300. Probably a combination of saturation following the rush, the economy, and ammo prices. The dealers I know all have said that sales fell off a few months back and have remained very slow.

I find it endlessly amusing that idiots were snatching up wars-10s at $800 last November and now they are back down to $389.
 
Are the KVAR rifles converted in a manner similar to the way we convert Saigas?
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Yes, it just takes one look at the photograph to see the pistol grip, trigger guard and magazine are right up against each other. A standard Saiga has a large gap between the trigger group and the mag...

not only that but they are also changing out the hand guard and retainer to get the cheap flimsy Saiga stock off. They also come with the K-Var furniture which is top quality and offers very good heat protection. These rifles are very tempting.
 
Giridon, I bought mine from Atlantic at a time when the Saiga prices had begun climbing. I could have bought a used one and converted it cheaper but a new one would have cost me just as much as buying it from Atlantic so I went with the one from Atlantic. I haven't regretted it a bit. When Saigas were cheap it was MUCh more economical to DIY. I agree some of the models on the Atlantic website are high but they have a few models there or the Bulgarians and Converted Saigas for around $500. They are also some pretty cool guys in my experience and they treated me very well when I did business with them.


Some guys will talk bad about ANYONE that doesn't do the conversion themselves
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This is more in reference to the guys who just bash ANYONE who buys a converted Saiga because the didn't do it themself. Like somehow that makes it automatically inferior no matter what you paid. One guy bashed my Saiga for its cheap furniture but when I checked his other posts he posted pics of HIS Saiga with exactly the same furniture. Go figure.
 
If it is your gun and you like it then there is not any reason to worry too much what anyone has to say is there?
 
I could care less what they say about mine but when they disparage what others are selling based solely on their own prejudice rather than the quality of what the seller is offering therein lies the problem. If seen Atlantic savaged and bad mouthed for their lower priced offerings and the fact is they are, in my experience, are just as good as what guys are doing on their own. Many times they are even using the exact same parts yet somehow the ones they are selling are crap. The KVAR conversions for $499 are a pretty good deal in my mind. I think you would be hard pressed with the price of Saigas today to do it cheaper. If you get a really good deal on a used one yes, but new ones have gone up in price quite a bit.
 
I've an Elk River receiver build, they are (or were) out of Houston, Tx. Functions well, although the mag wobble is more than average for my AKs, but all AKs wobble to some extent, unless it interferes with function its not a issue.

I got the gun real cheap because its original owner got it with a ProMag and assumed it was a bad build, I knew it just needed a real AK mag. The $10 Korean AK mags hitting the market now work great in it.

--wally.
 
Fnh5-7,

I purchased a special interest arms ak47 2 weeks ago. The gunshop I bought it from did not tell me who made it, other than "a small company we've had real good luck with." I didn't know too much about AK's until recently as I was more of an AR guy, but I liked the look/finish as well as the original AKM furniture. Rivet work seemed nice, mag wobble minimal (although worse with some mags, of coarse) When I got the rifle home, I noticed that the safety lever would get stuck in the safe position, damn thing would not budge unless I had something to pry it up with. Called shop and he said send it back (lifetime warranty on SIA), but wasn't sure I wanted to spend $50 on shipping both ways for a safety lever. I literally had to bend the thing back with all my might, afraid of breaking it off, but now works fine. Went through 200 rounds, no jams unless "bump-firing"-jammed every try after 3-4 shots. Other than that, shoots well, looks nice, got within a 2-inch group at 30 ft or so. Seems solid. For $850, (what I paid anyway) don't know if you could do much better.
 
To the OP ... Atlantic's Saiga-based conversions from Red Jacket and also their Lancaster stuff are all first rate. I've fired Red jackets and Lancasters and I've fondled Arsenals. They're all GTG. I don't know if they're more accurate or more reliable than the excellent deals KVAR has on their conversions right now (killer deals!), but you wouldn't be going wrong on any of them. I don't have time to convert a Saiga and that kind of tinkering ain't my thing. I buy mine ready to go and don't mind spending the money.

And also, if you want an AK ... get an AK. I like the VZ-58s and will own one eventually, but it isn't an AK. Totally different animal.
 
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