Which levergun for dad?

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Dad's a gun nut but hasn't hunted in years. He wants to go deer hunting with me, maybe pig hunting and other bigger animal hunts. He wants a gun he can put to multiple uses. I suggested a 30-06 and told him he could use one of my rifles. He's also nostolgic and absolutely wants a Marlin levergun and suggested a 30-30. I told him it was a good short range deer caliber, but not good for longer shots or bigger game.

Since it has to be a levergun, I'm leaning toward recommending the 444 Marlin. Hornaday has a 265 gr FP that drops -8.20 " @ 200 yds w/100 yd zero. At 200 yds it's making 1542 fps and 1400 ft-lbs. This much flatter than the 450 Marlin or hot 45-70's and probably won't rip his shoulder off. BTW, he does handload. What say ye all?
 
You may look into the IIRC .405 win levergun. I believe Winchester is making a new rifle in this caliber. A good flat shooter that Teddy Roosevelt took hunting in Africa. It would certainly be unique.
 
Nah.....

He really wants the marlin levergun......... thus my problem of finding the most versatile caliber.....
 
Maybe go with the 30-30 for the deer and pig.

If the chance comes up for a bigger hunt get the bigger gun. I wouldn't want to use one gun for everything from deer to long shots on big game. Recoil and meat damage will be harsh all the time.

For me, spending time with Dad is good. I'll let him hunt with almost anything he wants :)
 
You might check out the Browning BLR. It is available in 7mm mag, .30-06, .270, .308, .243, and I believe the new Winchester Short Mags. My old BLR in .308 will shoot 1.5 moa with 150 grain Speer hot-cor on top of 46 grains of Varget. I have bagged 3 mule deer, 4 whitetails, 3 pronghorn, 2 black bear, 1 mountain lion and 1 elk with this combo. The pronghorn were the only animals taken at more than 150 yards (they were between 250 and 300 yards). I hunt the brush and my BLR packs like a Win. 94 but I can cleanly take game out to 300 yards. That is my own limit, I believe the rifle will do better. Just my opinion.
 
Irreguardles what gun, TAKE HIm, I'm 61 and hunt with my kid....every year...if he wants a lever, get him a lever....,or take him to the range with whatever....thing I finally realized........wish I'd spent more time with mine
instead of arguing trivia..........time is what count, not the gun or cal!
Dan
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Well, what I know about the .444Marlin is I read it's a ballistic improvement over .45-70 which means it'll probably kick like a mule. If ya'll are after deer I'd advise the Marlin 336 in .30-30 or the Browning BLR in .243. I have experience with the 336 and Winchester's '94, both in .30-30, and like both rifles in that caliber. I haven't had experience with the BLR aside from having handled one in a shop, but if a levergun other than a .30-30 is a must, the .243 does shoot nice and flat- 2" high at 100yds is dead on at 200yds and it'll drop a deer in its tracks if the bullet gets placed right. But, the .30-30 ain't quite so close up as some people think; it's actually good out to 200yds- only drops about 4" or so as I recall reading the tables in Hornady's 5th Edition Volume 2 (150grSP @ 2200fps, IIRC) and it's still got enough umph to be lethal.
 
You can look into some of Winchesters older cartridges like the .356 and the .375 Winchester. Even a .35 Remington has it over a .30-30 by quite a bit of power.
 
Last year for his 60th birthday, I bought my father a Marlin Guide Gun 1895-GS in .45-70. This is a stainless version of the tried and true old 1895 rifle, with a round barrel, cut short. It comes with cut rifling (as opposed to the former Microgroove rifling), which gives nice accuracy with lead bullet loads. We replaced the open sights with the utterly bulletproof AO peep sights (which can be mounted on the receiver scope tapped holes), and for load development put on an AO intermediate relief scope mount, which attaches forward of the receiver, and is staked in the old rear sight dovetail. We put a Leupold 2.6X scout scope in it, and began working on loads. This was very tempting to leave on indefinitely-- it was compact, extremely fast to acquire targets with, and very accurate, even with my father's older eyes. Dad later elected to take the scope off while hunting, in favor of keeping the rifle in its original tough-as-nails trim. (We did leave the forward mount on it, though.)

With the scope on it, were impressed to find that we could regularly get 1.5" groups at 100 yards with 405g lead handloads! Occasional groups below 1.25", but not every time. For a rifle and load that could take a brown bear, moose, or perhaps a cape buff, we were impressed with the accuracy.

Factory .45-70 loads are extremely gentle out of this rifle, because it comes with a ventilated buttpad. That said, the new 1895 GS rifles are rated to shoot the outrageous Garrett and Buffalo Bore loadings through. (Even Marlin okays this, in these litigeous days!)

The specimen I bought for my dad has nice wood to metal fit, and the American black walnut stock is beautiful. I shopped around, and bought it new from the dealer for well under $500.


Field And Stream did an article comparing and contrasting popular hunting rifles a year or two ago, and were shocked to find that they were getting hundred yard groups of 1 inch or smaller groups with a stock Marlin 336 that they had scoped and shot off the bench. I was pretty surprised too-- I wouldn't have thought that the cartridge had that inherent accuracy in the first place, but I certainly didn't expect to hear of that kind of accuracy from any lever-action rifle! Wow.

That said, when you get a lever action to lock up that tight, you're bound to give up some of the smoothness and slickness of the action that comes from looser tolerances. For short-range, quick-handling in the brush, I still favor a '94 Winchester. But if I were to buy ONE rifle that might have to go into the brush or hunt over a longer field, and was stuck on the lever-action style, I think you'd be hard-put to do better than the Marlins. :)

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