Felonious Monk
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Which one for ergonomics, natural point-ability, and reliability?
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Which non-1911 .45?
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Walt Sherrill
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That will depend on YOU.
The CZ-97B is nice, but takes a big hand. Its a big gun. Its like the CZ-75 only large. Great pointability.
The SIG P-220 is nice. Feels good, but limited to 8 rounds.
The H&K .45 is a bit more compact. Also feels good.
The new Ruger P-345 seems pretty nice.
EAA Makes a number of .45s, some compact.
(I've got an ASAI ONE PRO that is about as good as they get, but they're hard to find.)
The S&W 4506 (and variants) are nice, but have a high bore axis that some find offputting.
I'd prefer one with 10 round capacity.
The CZ-97B is nice, but takes a big hand. Its a big gun. Its like the CZ-75 only large. Great pointability.
The SIG P-220 is nice. Feels good, but limited to 8 rounds.
The H&K .45 is a bit more compact. Also feels good.
The new Ruger P-345 seems pretty nice.
EAA Makes a number of .45s, some compact.
(I've got an ASAI ONE PRO that is about as good as they get, but they're hard to find.)
The S&W 4506 (and variants) are nice, but have a high bore axis that some find offputting.
I'd prefer one with 10 round capacity.
Sir Aardvark
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Sig 220
P95Carry
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SIG 220 (ain't got it yet!!) ... and for economy - Ruger P97 is tough as nails and dead reliable.... if you can live with DA/SA, decocker.
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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Another satisfied P220 owner here as well.
The CZ97B is certainly worth your time spent renting a range mule for testing.
Regards,
Rabbit.
The CZ97B is certainly worth your time spent renting a range mule for testing.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Bersa Thunder Ultra compact 45. Haven't fired one but held it, very nice feel in the hand. Very pretty too.
I have a couple of EAA Witnesses in 10mm, both fullsize and compact. They may require some fiddling to get reliable though...probably would go for a cz97b before one of these (except they cost little more than 1/2 the cz)
I'm surprised the glocksters haven't jumped this thread yet...
Glock 21, and I think Glock 30 are other options for tupperware.
I have a couple of EAA Witnesses in 10mm, both fullsize and compact. They may require some fiddling to get reliable though...probably would go for a cz97b before one of these (except they cost little more than 1/2 the cz)
I'm surprised the glocksters haven't jumped this thread yet...
Glock 21, and I think Glock 30 are other options for tupperware.
Black Majik
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Without a doubt the Sig P220. 
Felonious Monk
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Sounds as if the top two contenders should be
Sig 220
CZ97
I'm definitely not a glock fan.
What's the money on a decent 220 (probably have to go used or LEO turn-in)?
Sig 220
CZ97
I'm definitely not a glock fan.
What's the money on a decent 220 (probably have to go used or LEO turn-in)?
Preacherman
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SIG P220. Best of the best!
Stevie-Ray
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H&K USP45C. The best there is.
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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I bought a LEO trade-in P220 for under $400 in the case with 3 good SIG mags and dim SIG tritium sights back in December.
CDNN may still have them around this price- I didn't buy mine from them, but I suspect it was in their hands at one time.
Regards,
Rabbit.
CDNN may still have them around this price- I didn't buy mine from them, but I suspect it was in their hands at one time.
Regards,
Rabbit.
deputy tom
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Oh well,someone has to do it.If it aint a 1911 make mine an S&W 625.tom. 
10-Ring
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1st choice is still the HK USP 45
Pointman1776
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Sig P220 or P220ST
Sig P220 or P220ST...was there every really a question?
And if you REALLY wanna be spoiled, get the P220 "Sport".
A distant distant second for me would be the HK USP .45, followed closely by IMI/MRI Baby Eagle full-size .45 and CZ 97B.
Sig P220 or P220ST...was there every really a question?
And if you REALLY wanna be spoiled, get the P220 "Sport".
A distant distant second for me would be the HK USP .45, followed closely by IMI/MRI Baby Eagle full-size .45 and CZ 97B.
Ala Dan
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Another SIG-A-HOLIC checking in, as the .45 caliber P220 has saved
my bacon on many occassions.
my bacon on many occassions.
Mr. Mysterious
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I like my SW99 in .45, although I am often a lone voice in these non-1911 .45 threads. It is a single stack .45 that gives you 9+1, so the grip is not fat like the double stack ones, although I have big hands, I prefer my hand to really wrap around the grip.
It had some problems with the slide locking back about 300 or so rounds into it, I sent it back to S&W, at their expense. I received it back 2 weeks later, with a new barrel. So far (about 300 more rounds) it has been flawless. Everyone that has shot it likes it...once they get used to the DA/SA trigger. Personally, my first shot, that being on DA is usually a flyer that is ~4-6" high at 10 yards. Subsequent rounds (in SA mode) are right on. Now, granted I can get the first round in the black in DA mode if I am slow, but I usually like to shoot from DA mode with a quick, real life gun raise and shoot.
Overall it is a good gun, but, I have a P220 on my short list
MrM
For your reading pleasure
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_49/ai_103381594
http://www.gunblast.com/SW99.htm
It had some problems with the slide locking back about 300 or so rounds into it, I sent it back to S&W, at their expense. I received it back 2 weeks later, with a new barrel. So far (about 300 more rounds) it has been flawless. Everyone that has shot it likes it...once they get used to the DA/SA trigger. Personally, my first shot, that being on DA is usually a flyer that is ~4-6" high at 10 yards. Subsequent rounds (in SA mode) are right on. Now, granted I can get the first round in the black in DA mode if I am slow, but I usually like to shoot from DA mode with a quick, real life gun raise and shoot.
Overall it is a good gun, but, I have a P220 on my short list
MrM
For your reading pleasure
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_8_49/ai_103381594
http://www.gunblast.com/SW99.htm
A SIG 220 ST would be mine in a 1911-less universe.
I could also put in a kind word for the ergonomics and reliabilty of a Beretta 8045 Cougar. I am very looking forward to trying out the forthcoming Beretta PX4-45 because of my positive experiences with the Cougar.
I could also put in a kind word for the ergonomics and reliabilty of a Beretta 8045 Cougar. I am very looking forward to trying out the forthcoming Beretta PX4-45 because of my positive experiences with the Cougar.
Another CZ 97 (or any of the .45 clones of the CZ75) vote here. Had 'em, shot 'em, still got 'em along with my Paras and a Gold Cup NM.
Old Dog
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Holy cow, I see a common thread ... the P-220 ... I heartily concur. Although I've recently for the first time ever, tried a HK USP (I'd never given 'em a thought because they always looked so clunky and ugly to me). I was pleasantly surprised; more ergonomic that it looks, quite accurate. A different feel, but a buddy claims it fits his hand the best of the big autos.
deltaopwong
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Sig P220
Glock 21
HK USP Fullsize/Compact
Glock 21
HK USP Fullsize/Compact
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