Show me some in .45 LC going for that now.
Which S.A. Army to buy.....
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=557174164
Only $3275 buy it now
although I'm thinking that gun might not sell . Besides the engraved and nickel guns the P1840's pretty much set the standard for SAA pricing. Most NIB Ive seen of the P1840 45 Colt 4 3/4" case colored black grip guns these days is in the $1800 and up range for sellers that actually have them. Lack of competition driving that right now. You still see a lot of places advertising them at MSRP of $1499 but no one actually has any for sale at that price. If someone came into the market and started building a quality US made SAA, like USFA did, the pricing could drop to a reasonable level but I don't see that happening. Too much capital needed to make it work right and the quality level at USFA was a fluke. You cant build guns like that and make money.
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CraigC
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Firstly, nobody stipulated .45Colt's. That numerous statements made were that "there are no new $1200 Colt SAA's", which is untrue. Secondly, it's not the only desirable chambering. I'll take a .32-20, .38Spl, .38-40, .44-40 or .44Spl any day of the week.
I don't bother with Colt .45's because I don't care for sending a .452" bullet out of an oversized chamber and into a .457" throat.
And as I said, I bought the .38-40 pictured on the first page for $1200 only a year and a half ago, well into USFA's demise and Colt's lengthy backlog. That is with $500 worth of work done to it. Point being, there are good deals to be had for those who do not need a new production and ubiquitously boring 4¾" .45Colt.
I don't bother with Colt .45's because I don't care for sending a .452" bullet out of an oversized chamber and into a .457" throat.
And as I said, I bought the .38-40 pictured on the first page for $1200 only a year and a half ago, well into USFA's demise and Colt's lengthy backlog. That is with $500 worth of work done to it. Point being, there are good deals to be had for those who do not need a new production and ubiquitously boring 4¾" .45Colt.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Here's a 1st generation that went for $1500.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=544935865
A couple of 3rd generation .44Spl's that went for $1050 and $1300. And like it or not, the .44Spl's tend to bring a premium over other chamberings.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548372613
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=549297993
So please, let us dispense with the notion that it's impossible to get a good Colt SAA for around $1200.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=544935865
A couple of 3rd generation .44Spl's that went for $1050 and $1300. And like it or not, the .44Spl's tend to bring a premium over other chamberings.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=548372613
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=549297993
So please, let us dispense with the notion that it's impossible to get a good Colt SAA for around $1200.
Sure, theres some deals to be found if you don't mind off calibers and barrel lengths but if you want the most popular lengths and chamberings you don't have many options.
Here is a true statement.
"You arent going to buy a new production P1840 45 Colt 4 3/4" 3rd gen for under $1800. "
Considering the MSRP is $1500 and the actual dealer cost is more like $1100 or less a guy could buy baby a nice pair of shoes with every one sold.
Here is a true statement.
"You arent going to buy a new production P1840 45 Colt 4 3/4" 3rd gen for under $1800. "
Considering the MSRP is $1500 and the actual dealer cost is more like $1100 or less a guy could buy baby a nice pair of shoes with every one sold.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
As I already said, no one above stipulated barrel length or chambering when they made ABSOLUTE statements like:
"Problem is that they arent going to find $1200 SAA's..."
"Good luck getting one for $1,200..."
"Yeah, you arent going to buy a new Colt , even if you could find one, for $1200."
Fact is, a 7½" .44Spl is a standard offering, regardless of popularity. IMHO, only those with little more than passing interest consider chamberings other than .45Colt to be "off calibers".
"Problem is that they arent going to find $1200 SAA's..."
"Good luck getting one for $1,200..."
"Yeah, you arent going to buy a new Colt , even if you could find one, for $1200."
Fact is, a 7½" .44Spl is a standard offering, regardless of popularity. IMHO, only those with little more than passing interest consider chamberings other than .45Colt to be "off calibers".
CraigC
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The frame is not off the hook. It must survive the backthrust, as when the gun is fired, there are opposing forces within the frame pushing fore and aft. Since backthrust is directly related to pressure, frame strength is also a factor in longevity.
. IMHO, only those with little more than passing interest consider chamberings other than .45Colt to be "off calibers".
Like it or not the 45 Colt is the standard for SAA's and SAA clones from all vendors. The overwhelming majority are made in that caliber and the 4 3/4" is still the most popular length. Yes, there are other calibers available but they are a niche market. As you have noted prices do trend a little lower for the "off calibers" .
A frankengun, with a replaced cylinder and barrel.
For me, .44 Special and a 7.5" barrel are less desirable. Apparently to lots of other people also.
Did you find that new Colt SAA in .45 yet for $1,200? How about a new Colt SAA in ANY caliber for $1,200?
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CraigC
Sixgun Nut
You guys can't have been paying attention to this market for very long.
You're not really familiar at all with Colt pricing, are you?
Again. Historically, 3rd generation .44Spl's have always commanded a premium. Again, no one said what they were looking for. Am I supposed to read your mind? If you want to limit yourself to ill-shooting .45's, that's your choice but there are a lot of other choices. Always have been.
If (big IF) this holds true, it will be the first time in 3rd generation production. In reality, the conditions we're seeing now are probably only temporary. Colt is producing just as many guns as they always have. People are panicking (like they do) because of Colt's financial woes and there's a vacuum left by USFA. Once that settles down, price will follow suit.
I'm not obligated to find anyone a deal. I never said they were growing on trees or were easy to find. YOU said there were no Colt SAA's to be found for $1200 and I already gave you two recent examples. I'm not going to continue this back and forth because my contradictory evidence conflicts with your perception of reality.
How is a gun with a replaced barrel and cylinder supposed to support your example?
I don't think most are into the more obscure calibers, if you want to feel superior for liking them, OK. My .45 shoots just fine. We originally meant you can't find new production Colt SAAs for $1,200, which you can't. Sorry if you missed it.
Agreed.
How is the vacuum left by USFA going out of business going to 'settle down'? I heard that same argument when Pythons started going up, that it was crazy, prices would come down, etc. They haven't. Yes Colt is still making 150-200 a month, but that isn't much in a country of tens of millions of gun owners. If Colt ramps up production and more come to market, great, but right now that is speculation. They aren't even pretending to meet demand, IMHO they currently make them just to say they still do.
You are if asked to support your point.
No I didn't, I said:
"Good luck getting one for $1,200, MSRP is $1,500 and they're selling for more than that. Wait from Colt is several years, if you can get them to take your order."
The context of MSRP and a several year's wait implies new, apparently you didn't get it. I never said you can't get a used one for about that, last month I bought a used Colt SAA for $1,100 + tax. Our point is the days of $1,200 new ones are over.
Not for new production, which is what we're talking about.
Again, to have a conversation some reading comprehension on your part would help.
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tark
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I would ask everyone to observe the picture Driftwood posted in post #13. Do you notice anything that should not be present on a gun of that price range??
That stamping on the barrel would look much crisper and nicer if it had been lightly polished after stamping, to get rid of that raised metal around the lettering. It only takes a minute or so and the lettering looks sooooo much better.
As much as a Colt costs, I would expect better. Nit picking? Of course it is. But when you pay that much for a gun you are allowed to pic nits....
That stamping on the barrel would look much crisper and nicer if it had been lightly polished after stamping, to get rid of that raised metal around the lettering. It only takes a minute or so and the lettering looks sooooo much better.
As much as a Colt costs, I would expect better. Nit picking? Of course it is. But when you pay that much for a gun you are allowed to pic nits....
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Because it's a friggin' 1st generation!
Who would think the .44Spl is "obscure"??? I don't care what 'most' are into. I've never cared for what's popular. I judge based on merit, certainly not popularity. Superior? No, just open minded and not a .45 Kool Aid drinker. I just prefer a little broader horizon.
You see, in a capitalist society, there's nothing stopping another maker from stepping in and producing a high quality SAA. Just like USFA did.
I did, several times.
Oh, you implied it. Just like no one stipulated barrel length or chambering, no one stipulated it had to be brand new production. Because you see, the world is full of NIB 3rd generation Colt SAA's. Just as the 7½" blued .44Spl I posted a link to was brand new in the box and unturned. Even though it was not new production, it's still "new".
There's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension but my mind reading skills are a little rusty. I've been practicing on my wife but as of yet, no positive results. Now that we actually KNOW what you meant (as opposed to what was said), I agree, it is going to be very, very difficult to find a new-production, NIB 4¾" .45Colt for $1200. Happy?
Colt builds them the same way they always have. If you feel like paying more for it thats not their fault. I bought a new 4 3/4" SAA in 45 Colt cause I'm a sheep and a I have a whole pile of 45's and to ME a Colt isnt a Colt unless its a .45. Anyway after a hundred rounds through I had to stop shooting it because the timing had slipped to the point where I couldnt shoot it without dinging up the cylinder leads. Had to take it apart and adjust the bolt leg where it contacts the cam. On a new gun ! Colt used to put a note in the box reminding you that if you shot the gun it would make the value go down. Best warranty claim prevention aid idea ever!
RetiredUSNChief
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You can find them. I know...I did.
I was in the market for just that...a 5.5" Colt SAA, color case hardened, in .45 Colt caliber for quite a while. It was to be my reward to myself for having paid off my credit card.
The LGS was searching for months to find one. I kept an eye out online. Finally spotted one in my price range on Gunbroker...checked with my LGS, bought it, had it shipped to them. $1,200 or so, if I remember correctly.
People just have to realize that some firearms require patience to not only find, but find at a reasonable price they are willing to pay.
I was just happy to get my Peacemaker in 2014, making the 200th anniversary of Samuel Colt's birth.
The 2014 market and the 2016 market are not the same thing. You were coming off USFA's meltdown and Colt was just easing into their bankruptcy proceedings. The current market is much tighter. The demand is still there and Colt is still building guns but not anywhere near demand. You can certainly still buy a Ruger or a somewhat close Italian copy but if you want a new US made original style SAA you are fighting the supply and demand curve.You can find them. I know...I did.
I was in the market for just that...a 5.5" Colt SAA, color case hardened, in .45 Colt caliber for quite a while. It was to be my reward to myself for having paid off my credit card.
The LGS was searching for months to find one. I kept an eye out online. Finally spotted one in my price range on Gunbroker...checked with my LGS, bought it, had it shipped to them. $1,200 or so, if I remember correctly.
People just have to realize that some firearms require patience to not only find, but find at a reasonable price they are willing to pay.
I was just happy to get my Peacemaker in 2014, making the 200th anniversary of Samuel Colt's birth.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
There is no context in which that is a true statement. Colt quality has been on a roller coaster ride for over 100yrs.
That's the problem, people aren't picky enough. Enough folks have had this starry-eyed perception of Colt's that they were able to get by producing a lackluster product for decades.
Then you're paying the price for only liking what is the most popular. For me, much of the appeal of the Colt SAA and subsequently the USFA line (which had more diversity than Colt has in 100yrs), is that they were produced in a such a broad array of configurations, chamberings and barrel lengths. They are flavors of ice cream other than sugar-free vanilla.
Actually I prefer the 5 1/2" 45 guns and in Nickel at that but I I have an old holster set that belonged to my dad that is made for 4 3/4" guns I had to fill up and GFL finding a new 45 colt SAA in 4 3/4" nickel . I'm even going to take one of my Rodeo's and rebarrel it 4 3/4" and refinish to match the blued/CC Colt. All my other SAA's and SAA clones are 5 1/2" except for the early Ruger Vaqueros and those things are so unlike the Colts that I don't consider them SAA clones.
Beat me to it, as you said 2014 is irrelevant to 2016. And unless your time isn't worth anything, spending many hours searching certainly adds to the cost.
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The cylinder and barrel were not 1st generation, and anyway it is irrelevant to our discussion of new Colt SAAs.
OK, I get it, my favorite rifle caliber is 6.5x55, I just don't think that caliber, or .44 Special, will sell as fast as others.
Until that happens, I expect the price increases of quality SAAs to continue. It's kind of like saying if it rained in the Sahara you could grow tomatoes there.
No you didn't.
Again MSRP and a several year delivery time = new production.
I think that would more properly be termed LNIB, a gun direct from the factory is NIB. There is no way to verify whether a gun bought from an individual has been fired, despite lots of GB descriptions of guns that 'appear unfired', that maybe were cleaned really well. My point was you can't get new Colt SAAs from the factory for $1,200 as in past times.
We agree. Hopefully those prices will come again, but I'm not holding my breath.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Compared to any 3rd generation SAA, it's more desirable, it's more collectible, it's a wiser investment and it's also $1500. Which is a bargain.
Very poor analogy. The market is there. The vacuum is there. We know it's there. If it wasn't there, Colt wouldn't have a several year backlog. It's only a matter of time before someone decides to satisfy it. Colt or otherwise. Just as USFA ALREADY DID!
Yes, I did. It just wasn't what you wanted to hear.
BS. New is new, regardless of how many people have owned it. Do you think a brand new Colt from the factory is going to sell for more than one that sat on someone's shelf for five years? No. And if you can't tell if a gun has been fired, you need to go back to school. One can tell from the pictures that the .44Spl I posted was unfired and unturned.
You can't get a brand new production gun for $1200. But you can get a NIB 3rd generation SAA for ~$1200, if you are patient. Or less for a gently used example.
midland man
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did ya'll not see my pics of my heritage big bore 45c pistol? heck guys why pay a huge price for something that's says colt on it as mine has the same metals used to make this pistol as well as the colt! my god guys my gun has very nice fit and finish in which is way higher and nicer than their 22 counterparts!! and craigc look I own two rossi 92's in 45 colt and this one heritage big bore 45! I love shooting 45 colt and I get super accurate shells as I reload my own so I can find the sweet spot that my guns like! I enjoy shooting the 45 colt and so I don't understand where you are getting it isn't accurate?? I find its very accurate with lead bullets plus I run ruger only loads in both rossi rifles shooting 300gr jsp with 20.8gr h110 powder and I only shoot these in the two rifles but in my heritage big bore 45c pistol, I use standard loads only and its plenty of power for me and really accurate!! so I plan on buyin one more heritage big bore in 45c pistol and I will shoot just as good if not better than all the colts combined! and my pistol only costs $389 a piece and this dosent break the bank neither, infact i'll go up against anyone who wants a shooting match against me with their high priced colts anytime...
did ya'll not see my pics of my heritage big bore 45c pistol? heck guys why pay a huge price for something that's says colt on it as mine has the same metals used to make this pistol as well as the colt! my god guys my gun has very nice fit and finish in which is way higher and nicer than their 22 counterparts!! and craigc look I own two rossi 92's in 45 colt and this one heritage big bore 45! I love shooting 45 colt and I get super accurate shells as I reload my own so I can find the sweet spot that my guns like! I enjoy shooting the 45 colt and so I don't understand where you are getting it isn't accurate?? I find its very accurate with lead bullets plus I run ruger only loads in both rossi rifles shooting 300gr jsp with 20.8gr h110 powder and I only shoot these in the two rifles but in my heritage big bore 45c pistol, I use standard loads only and its plenty of power for me and really accurate!! so I plan on buyin one more heritage big bore in 45c pistol and I will shoot just as good if not better than all the colts combined! and my pistol only costs $389 a piece and this dosent break the bank neither, infact i'll go up against anyone who wants a shooting match against me with their high priced colts anytime...
A Hyundai gets you from point a to point b cheaper and in traffic probably at about the same time a Porsche does. You could buy 10 Hyundai for what one Porsche costs. Why would anyone buy a Porsche? ( Actually I started off with a ugly girl and pretty girl analogy but realized that was going to go non high road pretty quick.)
The market says otherwise, new .45 SAAs are selling for more than that did.
No it isn't, you're speculating on something happening that hasn't so far.
The market is there. The vacuum is there. We know it's there. If it wasn't there, Colt wouldn't have a several year backlog. It's only a matter of time before someone decides to satisfy it. Colt or otherwise. Just as USFA ALREADY DID!
And failed financially doing it I assume, or they wouldn't have pulled out of the SAA market.
We disagree.
Of course it will, what do you know about that five year old gun? How it was stored?
So what, yugorpk and I aren't talking about previously owned .44 specials.
THANK YOU!!!!
And you can win the lottery too.
midland man
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but guys what I am getting to is why waste money on a name when like myself I found a very nice revolver that shoots super good and does the same thing as the name brand! I can tell you this that this pistol is way nicer than the 22c pistols they make I mean way nicer plus the fit and finish is just great and I like the deep bluing. you know i'm not trying to make anyone mad or anything i'm just sayin this gun does the exact same thing as the colt does!
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