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Which to choose from. PTR Vs. DPMS 308?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by kmcintosh78, Jan 11, 2010.

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  1. kmcintosh78

    kmcintosh78 Member

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    Looking at a possible upgrade in Semi auto rifles.
    With cost being similar, which is going to be the most accurate?

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  2. stubbicatt

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    I don't know, but I'd be willing to guess that you will get better accuracy from the AR platform. I don't particularly like them, but there are too many well known accuracy tricks on that platform.

    That said, you do get certain benefits from the PTR91, including inexpensive magazines, and a plethora of accessories these days.

    I prefer the PTR.
     
  3. 2aHawaii

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    I was recently looking at the DPMS 308 as it is nice, accurate, and has relatively inexpensive PMags for it. The thing I didn't like about it, is that it is heavy, but the PTR doesn't look to be much lighter.

    If you are looking for accuracy, the DPMS should be your choice and could get you sub-MOA.
     
  4. Maverick223

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    I agree with stubbs, the AR is likely to be the most accurate (both out of the box and after you dump money into it), but I too prefer the PTR-91.

    :)
     
  5. Uncle Mike

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    You know, I have one of those PTR-91's....been sittin; in the steel box for quite a while.
    Just before Thanksgiving one of the local grocery stores tossed out a dumpster full of spoiled turkeys....yeah, you guessed it.

    We brought some of those stankey ol' birds over to the range and had at them with various different ammo and firearms...what fun!

    Long story short...I dusted off the PTR since it was at the shop and went to work on those birds, so I know you can repeatedly blow up spoiled turkeys at 100y with one!

    I'd bet an AR would do the same! hehehehehe
     
  6. Maverick223

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    That is good to know, I will have to tag this thread in case of a zombie turkey invasion. :p
     
  7. Uncle Mike

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    You never know...one day, they will have their revenge!
     
  8. Slamfire

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    The DPMS will be more accurate, sights have finer adjustments. The PTR91 is a battle rifle.

    I have a PTR91 and I like mine, but it really is a battle rifle not a target rifle.
     
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    Get the DPMS LR-308b. Perfect 18" length. There's one here on THR - just listed for $1,000.

    The PTR rips up brass on extraction.
     
  10. Shear_stress

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    Never shot them side by side, but the DPMS has a better reputation for accuracy, though the PTR is no slouch, especially with the heavy barrel and a Bill Springfield trigger job.

    On the other hand, my PTR was the klutziest rifle I've owned. Too front heavy and with truly bizarre charging handle placement . . . and with the lack of a bolt hold open, you get really acquainted with that charging handle. Seemed like the whole contraption was designed by Venutians who only knew firearms through intercepted TV broadcasts.
     
  11. The_Hammer_Man

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    Quoting Shear Stress :
    Seemed like the whole contraption was designed by Venutians who only knew firearms through intercepted TV broadcasts.

    You should be allowed near a keyboard son.. I dang near died laughing over that comment of yours!

    And that has to be the best description of a PTR I've ever read. Personally I always thought it had been designed by a committee of "short bus" occupants on the recess break.

    And yes I have owned one of those things for years... so I can talk bad bout mine all I want to...

    I also own a DPMS SASS (18" bull barrel"). Yes it's a heave gomer BUT ... w/ 168 gr match ammo I consistently get sub moa groups out of it.

    The only things I've "added" to my rifle are a good muzzle brake and an Enidine buffer.
    (Muzzle brake is the Primary Weapons Systems PRS for .308)

    YMMV,

    THM
     
  12. stubbicatt

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    I dunno. Mine doesn't damage the brass, and *if* I can find the brass shucked from my PTR91, I can reload it just fine. 'Course it does have a port buffer.

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    I've owned and shot both. DPMS will be more accurate and better in most ways. PTR is less expensive than the HK it clones, but it is still a $500 stamped gun selling for $1000 or more. It sends brass into orbit, recoil is variable and unpleasant, OEM sights are awful, triggers vary but can be awful, it is ammo sensitive, cocking effort is ridiculous (I am bigger than some linebackers, FWIW), reach to the thumb safety is best suited for NBA stars (note prior comment), etc. etc. I sold my PTR and never miss it.

    The DPMS is basically an AR in .308. With the new Pmags for it mags are plentiful and reasonably priced ($19 for Pmags, $20 for C-P stainless mags that have worked fine for me, $30 for DPMS branded mags). Easy to scope, mild recoil, inherently accurate if you get one of the models with a free-floated barrel.
     
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    Neither, M14!!

    Okay, got that out of my system. Most people, other than the gent above me, state that the CETME/G3 will tear brass up. I honestly can't speak to the PTR itself. So, if your going to reload, do a bit of research, but the AR might be the better platform.

    As far as accuracy, your going to get better from the AR platform. Like someone else said, the PTR is a battle rifle. I also know that the G3 has the crappiest trigger of any battle rifle, but again, I don't know if that applies to the PTR.
     
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    Generally the damage to the brass from a PTR is on the rim of the cartridge due to the powerful positive extraction.
     
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    1) Have you owned a PTR?
    2) Do you understand how the mechanism works???

    There is not positive extraction in the normal sense. Instead, the cartridge case itself is pushing the bolt backwards (a blowback action). The blowback is delayed by the roller mechanism, but is still fast and violent. When I could find spent cases, the damage was usually a severe crease (not just a dent, a crease) in the side of the case. There were often marks from the chamber flutes, but that damage was tiny compared to the crease from hitting the ejection port at some really high speed. As far as I can remember the case rims were not typically damaged, at all.
     
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    Nope. Never owned one. Had a friend who did, and he told me all of his brass was unusable after being cycled through the gun. He said it was typical of the model. I personally find it ugly and prefer the DSA STG-58.
     
  19. Uncle Mike

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    Stubbicat, that PTR of yours looks to running nice!
    which buffer did you use....? the size...?
     
  20. stubbicatt

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    It is a port buffer. A rubber bumper at the rear of the ejection port to prevent the kind of case damage which Z-Michigan describes.

    After years of futzing around and such with rifles, I have contented myself with this one EBR.

    Here's a photo of the port buffer.

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    It is the stamped piece which goes over top of the receiver just behind the ejection port.

    Also the requirement for the "ET Thumb" required to manipulate the safety/selector has been eliminated by the Williams Ambi Safety. The rifle is really easy to put on safe or fire. The trigger was massaged by Bill Springfield, and is a respectable trigger. Bill also did the paddle mag release, which makes the rifle sweet!

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    I really do not think one can improve on a rifle design over this one. It fits me so well, it is nearly perfect. I can point shoot on pepper poppers out to about 80 yards and get hits every time, it just instinctively comes up to the point of aim for me. Those who complain of the recoil impulse mystify me. I've shot side by side examples of the M1a, the FAL, and the PTR and they all recoil the same to me, as they should as they all shoot the same ammo.

    I guess some people just don't respect the outstanding iron sights on this design as they should. The claw mounted scope is also a great design. I love the 22 lr. adapter kit too. With an autosear the rifle is just so much fun to shoot, both in 308 or 22lr.

    It's ok that other people like other designs better. It took me awhile to settle on this one too, having done the rest. I am NOT impressed with the AR rifles, as they just don't fit me as well. That and the "sprooooiiiiinnnng!" under my ear is distracting. I'm sure you get used to it after awhile.

    I hope you choose a good one that makes you as happy as this one does me.
     
  21. Uncle Mike

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    Looks like the short one?

    I like the paddle mag release, should have been incorporated in that design from the git go!
     
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    I have never shot a DPMS,but do own a AR15.The PTR is one fun gun to shoot!When shooting the PTR at the range you are never lonely due to people asking about it!Mine digest any kind of ammo,spits brass out like a weapon and is just a hoot to shoot!Mags for cheap and a amazing scope and mount for $300bucks.A Bill Springfield Trigger job is recommended.
     
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    You would rather pay SEVEN times what the gun is worth rather than just two? OK, well, have fun! (There's about the same level of machining and assembly in an AK as in a G3 type. Note, and read up all the history you want, the Germans wanted FALs but couldn't get a manufacturing license [I guess Belgium was still a bit miffed about the whole Blitzkrieg thing], so they modified the CETME, which just happened to have been designed by ex-Nazi German engineers anyway, instead.)
     
  25. Maverick223

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    Why on God's green earth would you pay that much of a premium over a rifle that is made in the USA with H&K tooling, and operates just as good? The only "advantage" that I see can be summed up in too letters...H...K...not too impressive to me. :confused:
     
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