Who else does the " HR218 " thing here ?.

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I am asking as just very curious how many are allowed,and how many take advantage of that law.

To any who are not familiar,it is the federal law that allows any active or retired LEO to carry in all 50 states.

I keep up my HR218,and I do travel a good deal in and out of my home state.

VERY grateful that Bush passed it and it saves me from being an outlaw ,or unarmed.
 
I'm still active.....for 6 more years, so I'm good to go. I do LEOSA Certifications for several retired officers in my area. I know several travel out of state, not sure about the rest.
 
Former USAR MP which get zero consideration, even from my state for CCW. And I'm going to suggest that because it only includes a limited number of retired professionals, that it's simply an unequal carve out. You get to exercise your 2A rights while millions of others are left out in the cold.

How are you different from me when traveling in another state hundreds of miles away? Some would say superior training, ok, what are the odds of having to use that training? Others would suggest the officer has his enemies, yes, no idea how random it would be to run across an old nemesis while enjoying the sights elsewhere. Or just because - perps pick people for their apparent victim hood. Not ex police so much from what I've seen of their haircut, stature, behavior, and dress.

Frankly, our wives and family need it more than we do. This is why we ALL should have 50 state reciprocity, instead of a few enjoying a special privilege denied the rest of us. If there is one thing that this unequal system of rights does keep me from exercising, it's being in a ban gun state whatsoever. I don't really feel any loss not traveling to them. They don't deserve my business or presence any more than Syria or Iraq.

We are already a nation of two different countries.
 
I personally feel that it is a money maker for some of the instructors. You have to qualify yearly by a certified instructor at a price that was not capped by the law.
In florida the ccw is good for 5 years and covered by more than the states I travel through, so why go for the HR218.
That is just my situation, others may be different.
 
I use it, and have done so since I retired in '09. Yeah, it costs for the yearly qualification, but being able to travel and visit while carrying concealed through all the Mid-Atlantic states, i.e., MD, NJ, NY, and NE states, CT, MA, etc., make it well worth while as far as I'm concerned. Some of them do not accept anyone else's license.

I believe excluding correction officers and MP's was a mistake. They've revised it once, perhaps on the next go around they will be added.
 
Former USAR MP which get zero consideration, even from my state for CCW. And I'm going to suggest that because it only includes a limited number of retired professionals, that it's simply an unequal carve out. You get to exercise your 2A rights while millions of others are left out in the cold.

How are you different from me when traveling in another state hundreds of miles away? Some would say superior training, ok, what are the odds of having to use that training? Others would suggest the officer has his enemies, yes, no idea how random it would be to run across an old nemesis while enjoying the sights elsewhere. Or just because - perps pick people for their apparent victim hood. Not ex police so much from what I've seen of their haircut, stature, behavior, and dress.

Frankly, our wives and family need it more than we do. This is why we ALL should have 50 state reciprocity, instead of a few enjoying a special privilege denied the rest of us. If there is one thing that this unequal system of rights does keep me from exercising, it's being in a ban gun state whatsoever. I don't really feel any loss not traveling to them. They don't deserve my business or presence any more than Syria or Iraq.

We are already a nation of two different countries.


THANK YOU. I was waiting to see a rant against what is a right that I earned with over a quarter century of putting my 1* on the thin blue line.[ and getting a 'few' scars to prove it ]

I did not ask if anyone felt they should have this right,other than LEO's.

AND you did not ask my opinion of that either.

BUT here it is ,I shoot a qual every year [ how many CCW'ers actually do that ? ] and I will bet that the majority of those who do CCW do NOT.

I know the law as to use of force [ pretty much the same in ALL states ],and as it addresses retirees also [ we are just citizens now ].

And the fact is that too many are doing the open carry and even those that CCW = do NOT train and do not have ANY ability to protect that handcannon they are walking around with in a level 1 holster.

IF all were REQUIRED to pass a test to show they know how and WHEN to use that gun ------ AND they can demonstrate their ability to hit what they aim at ,then I would LOVE to see a nationwide CCW law passes.

AND it would be CCW and not open carry.

I know OWNING a gun is a right,but to carry it in public and possibly endanger me with "friendly fire" is not what I want to see.
 
THANK YOU. I was waiting to see a rant against what is a right that I earned with over a quarter century of putting my 1* on the thin blue line.[ and getting a 'few' scars to prove it ]
And Thank you. Sorry about the scars.
I did not ask if anyone felt they should have this right,other than LEO's.

AND you did not ask my opinion of that either.
It’s a public forum, get over it.
BUT here it is ,I shoot a qual every year [ how many CCW'ers actually do that ? ] and I will bet that the majority of those who do CCW do NOT.
You are correct in that I don’t have to “qualify” every year. However, I have shot with and around enough people and police to be pretty sure that I/most would do fine.
I know the law as to use of force [ pretty much the same in ALL states ],
Yea, keep it in your pants unless you need to use it. I think we all get it.
and as it addresses retirees also [ we are just citizens now ].
“we are just citizens now” Let’s get it straight, you were just a citizen then and you are just a citizen now. You were part of a civilian police force. No more, no less. When you put yourself above the citizens you worked to protect you demean them and yourself.
F all were REQUIRED to pass a test to show they know how and WHEN to use that gun ------ AND they can demonstrate their ability to hit what they aim at ,then I would LOVE to see a nationwide CCW law passes.
Interestingly, at the range that I belong to there has been one accident at the public line in the history of the club. Just one. I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count all the police that have had incidents there. To be fair, the private security guys shoot themselves a lot as well. The public, once. The competition guys, not so far.
AND it would be CCW and not open carry.
The one thing we seem to agree on. Maybe we don’t. I think open carry is a bad idea unless you are in a hunting or similar situation. I think you give away any advantage, and might provoke the wrong person. However, if bearing arms is a right, then what I think is probably not relevant for everyone else.
I know OWNING a gun is a right,but to carry it in public and possibly endanger me with "friendly fire" is not what I want to see.
I think I am less a danger to you with my gun than you are a danger to me with you putting yourself above me and the rest of us citizens.
 
Redacted, going back to work in the evil world/
Again, sir, thank you for your service to your state, and enjoy your retirement in good health.
 
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I do not wish to get involved in the recurring mud slinging that occurs every time this topic is broached. I will just point out that when I was working, every time we went for re-qualification, there was training other than just firearms training. Firearms training involved timed fire at different distances, low and no light shooting, strenuous physical activity to increase our heart rate before we shot, lights and sirens to simulate actual street conditions, mag changes while being timed, dummy rounds inserted in our magazines to simulate bad ammo, weak and strong hand shooting, firing from behind barricades, etc.

While no doubt there are non police shooters who can out shoot officers at target ranges, most people are not required to undergo such testing in order to keep or carry their firearms.

I worked in NYC for a state agency. As part of our additional training, every time we re-qualified, we also trained in firearms retention. Every time. We also were retrained in applicable state law as to use of physical and deadly physical force. Every time. Anyone who worked in LE in NY will no doubt remember the acronym "DR. BARKS". This was a list of the crimes for which we could use deadly physical force under certain circumstances. Although my particular agency shortened the list. My agency also prohibited us from firing at a vehicle being used as a weapon unless we were being shot at from inside the vehicle. Every time I strapped on my weapon, thoughts went through my head that if I used my weapon, I might be fired, indicted, or both.

As a retiree, in order to keep my privileges under HR 218, or the revised version, LEOSA, I must yearly pay, out of my own pocket, a person who is qualified to train LEO's in the state I reside in to test me to the qualifications required by the police board in that state. In other words, I have to shoot at least as good, every year, as current police officers in that state, under the same conditions. The only difference is if I use my weapon, I am no longer indemnified by the state.

I will put no weight on my experience of 40 years in LE, or the injuries I sustained. It was a conscious decision on my part to choose this line of work, I was paid to do it, and I enjoyed it. Mostly. lol

I will let you draw your own conclusions as to the training, knowledge, and tested abilities of the average permit holder. Not the range hound who is there every day, or the competitive shooter who fires thousands of rounds a year, probably not even the members here who show an interest in this topic, but the "average" permit holder. Now compare them to the average retired LEO and let me know if you think they come up equal.

I'd love to see a situation where all were able to carry anytime or anywhere they wanted, but in the meanwhile, please give some thought before demeaning others who currently do so by virtue of their past employment. If you want to direct anger, point it to the politicians who have the ability to actually do something about it.
 
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Speedo66, I'm from the other end of the country, but sounds like our training and qualification experience and requirements were very similar. It was reinforced in us too, beginning in the academy, that we could be fired, indicted, and probably would be sued, if we fired our gun in a lethal force situation. You make some good points. I always try to be very careful commenting in threads like this because tempers seem to flare rapidly if someone uses the wrong word or phrase to describe their perspective on any issues raised.......
 
I know OWNING a gun is a right,but to carry it in public and possibly endanger me with "friendly fire" is not what I want to see.

I couldn't edit this earlier but I wanted to mention that the Second Amendment makes clear the right of citizens to keep and bear arms BUT I recognize the distinction I believe the OP is trying to make; that a sworn officer is given particular rights, responsibilities, and duties that are not bestowed on the general public. That I feel is the specific reason for HR218, allowing LEOs who have retired to self-deputize if you will, the assumption being they will have the required general knowledge and skill set to potentially be of assistance.

While I am butting in as a regular citizen I can say the fee here is $50 annually, the local sheriff encourages retirees to take advantage of the law, and I know several who have. I feel no slight over the law's existence but I do believe in Constitutional Carry. I know if that becomes reality there will in fact be some scary folks with no training and/or a poor mindset arming themselves. That is a consequence of our given rights.
 
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Scaatylobo, I will retire from my 2nd LEO job in about 12 months. My question is, are you required to carry a 218 card or some similar proof of current qualification with your credentials?
You must carry your retired ID and a document showing you have been properly qualified to your state's police standards within the last 12 months, signed by the tester. It should also state whether you qualified with a revolver or semi-auto, or both, to match what you're carrying.
 
Scaatylobo, I will retire from my 2nd LEO job in about 12 months. My question is, are you required to carry a 218 card or some similar proof of current qualification with your credentials?

What SPEEDO said,and I qual with 3 variations of weapon.

Semi auto,revolver and M-4 carbine.

And to all who ranted against my posts = again this was asking for any who are HR218 qualified.

Yes its a 'public forum' but when asked for your opinion,you should give it ----- when not asked ,well !!!

And btw, having an HR218 qual is not an "opinion" its either a fact or not.

Thanks to all who are QUALIFIED to answer my question.
 
They left all of us out of in in Corrections, so we pay it no mind.
The inclusion of corrections officers was left up to the states. In some states, corrections officers are civilian guards that have no police authority. Here in NJ and NY, and many other states, COs are cops and have full police authority so they are covered by LEOSA.

Here in NJ the state tells us that NJ resident retired LEOs are still required to purchase the state permit every year and we are required to qualify twice per year to get it. ("Civilians" qualify once for a 2 year permit, we qualify twice for a 1 year permit.)
 
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LEOSA gave the restriction "general arrest powers" which most correctional staff do not need in our line of work. I do not have general arrest powers, but I'm a sworn state corrections officer, not a guard - that's the private prisons.
However, that was not the thrust of this thread, and I, being apparently unqualified, will back on out of it, and go do what little I can do to keep my state safe.
 
I don't charge any of the retired officers I qualify/certify for LEOSA. I've seen some instructors in my area charge anywhere from $50-$150 for the certification.

My group is small, about a dozen retired officers, some from PA, some from out of state. They cover a wide range; local cops, state, out of state prison guards and a few Feds. I enjoy going to the range and it gives me practice at instructing,

Like I said, I don't charge, but the guys will pitch in and throw a few bucks my way. Qualified one guy, a retired NY Corrections Officer. After qualifying him, we were collecting our gear and he asked about cost. I said, none....I do it as a courtesy. When I got into my vehicle, I found he had thrown $40 on the seat.
 
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