Who Else Here? Weapons cache found Long Island home

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I heard this on the radio and wondered how many other members here can look forward to a similar fate:
The guy was a nice guy and a gun collector then one day he has a mental breakdown and now he is looking at jail time.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-liguns0205,0,1491053.story
A 60-year-old East Meadow man called Nassau police and told them he was under attack. He reported hearing gunshot blasts all around, and said there were bodies on the floor.

But the siege was taking place only inside David Martin's head, authorities said.

As responding officers came rushing into his Rita Avenue home early Saturday, they realized Martin was suffering from some sort of psychiatric condition.
They began to look around his single-story home and uncovered a stunning cache of weapons. They found two live grenades, 73 rifles, 13 handguns, land mines and thousands of rounds of ammunition. There was even a bazooka.

"He was very cooperative, but not completely with all his faculties," said Det. Lt. Raymond Cote. Martin was taken for a psychiatric evaluation at Nassau University Medical Center in East Meadow.

He was arraigned there on 13 misdemeanor weapons possession charges connected with the possession of the handguns. Charges may be upgraded if forensic tests on the other weapons reveal them to be operable, police said.

Martin was an avid gun collector, police said, buying his weapons at swap meets, gun shows and on eBay.
They do not think Martin planned to use his weapons in a violent act, and they said he had no prior arrests. He threatened no one, police said.

At a news conference Monday, Nassau police spokesman Sgt. Anthony Repalone was asked to estimate the caliber of a $100,000 German machine gun that was among the seized weapons displayed on a table. "Big," Repalone said.

Neighbors expressed shock Monday that they were living so close to such a dangerous arsenal. Jane Fisher, 46, said that when it rained, Martin would open his garage door and offer to let children wait for the school bus. Many children, including Fisher's 17-year-old daughter, took him up on the offer.

"We're feeling very lucky that nothing happened," Fisher said. "He's always been friendly. You just never know."
 
Poor guy... Don't drink the water is becoming better and better advice.

Martin was an avid gun collector, police said, buying his weapons at swap meets, gun shows and on eBay.

Comments like the above that are sneaked into articles by reporters make me crazy. You cannot buy a gun on ebay... But thousands who read this will unconsciously take it in and believe it and try to defend it in the future.

BTW, when did owning guns get equated to meth lab / body in the deep freeze mentality?
 
At a news conference Monday, Nassau police spokesman Sgt. Anthony Repalone was asked to estimate the caliber of a $100,000 German machine gun that was among the seized weapons displayed on a table. "Big," Repalone said.
8mm is "big"?
 
8mm... Equivalent to a hunting round. and they say they're not after your hunting guns

Sorry, seemed to be taking a page out of a reporters book by linking random facts. Sad though, he probably had a collection worth a bit, and now it'll sit in a lockup and be destroyed.
 
How many here have bought a firearm off E-bay?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
Martin was an avid gun collector, police said, buying his weapons at swap meets, gun shows and on eBay.

Here the same sentence off another news site.
who bought the weapons at swap meets, gun shows and online auctions.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009936167

I think some moron reporter just switched "online auctions" to "ebay" in order to up the shock value. If the guy had live grenades in his home, he'd be looking at more then a few misdemeanors for handgun violations.
 
At a news conference Monday, Nassau police spokesman Sgt. Anthony Repalone was asked to estimate the caliber of a $100,000 German machine gun that was among the seized weapons displayed on a table. "Big," Repalone said.

Scratch that one off the registry... it's probably headed to the chop shop... damnit...
 
whos to say it was in the NFA registry?

and live grenades? if they turn out to be smoke grenades, thats another thing all together.
 
Does anyone know what the actual charges are? They mentioned the handguns, is it illegal to own handguns there? I can understand the live grenades but what's wrong with handguns?
 
They found two live grenades, 73 rifles, 13 handguns, land mines and thousands of rounds of ammunition. There was even a bazooka.
Charges may be upgraded if forensic tests on the other weapons reveal them to be operable, police said.

Sounds more to me like a WWII memorabilia collector than a crazed lunatic stockpiling an arsenal. If he really had working grenades, land mines and a bazooka, then he was far beyond the level of a "sane gun enthusiast". That guy was ready for the war going on in his head, and probably wasn't the safest person to have that stuff.

Either that or he was just an old guy who liked him some antiques, and din't bother to drill holes in all of his pieces to make sure they were "decommisioned".

And what exactly constitutes a "$100,000 German machine gun"? I can't imagine he picked that up at a flea market.

Also: "OH NOEZ! THOWZANDZ OF BULLITZ!!" If he really had that many guns, that's like 50 rounds per gun. If I had that many guns, I would sure have to stockpile to, to shoot what I wanted when I wanted. How many of those "thousands of rounds of ammunition" were .22, I wonder?
 
Actually, my biggest and "scariest" aren't, technically, firearms. The .75 cal medieval handgonne and 2-pdr Coehorn are both front-stuffers. Still, "Next door to a dangerous arsenal? Hah. Of course, my neighbors already know I've got a buttload of guns. On the other hand, I live in Virginia, not the PRNY.
 
Geesh. It's a good thing my neighbors don't know what I've got in my gunsafe . . . . .

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"OH NOEZ! THOWZANDZ OF BULLITZ!!" If he really had that many guns, that's like 50 rounds per gun. If I had that many guns, I would sure have to stockpile to, to shoot what I wanted when I wanted. How many of those "thousands of rounds of ammunition" were .22, I wonder?

I only have 5 guns, and I mentally counted my ammo last night and it came out to easily 2,000 rds with about 1250 for my Evil Russian Assault Rifle (SKS, Yugoslavian, actually) and about 350 each for my M1 Garand and my Steven's 300 .22LR. Its got scope mounts and a synthetic stock. That makes it a "Tactical sniper rifle" right?
 
Comments like the above that are sneaked into articles by reporters make me crazy. You cannot buy a gun on ebay... But thousands who read this will unconsciously take it in and believe it and try to defend it in the future.
How many here have bought a firearm off E-bay?


Yeah, I didn't think so.


While I agree that they often exagerate things, and likely were attempting to do so here, you could in fact buy guns off ebay throughout the 90's.
I remember seeing hundreds of thousands of firearms on ebay. People would even sell machine guns believing it was legal if they didn't include the firing pin. I am talking actual belt fed machineguns, not ATF defined "machine gun"s.
"Rocket launchers" were also quite common albiet without the rockets (even though they are basicly just a tube, it would have high shock value in the media.)
I don't know if some were sting operations or not, but there was a lot of fully automatic firearms on Ebay, in addition to traditional firearms. You could even browse by firearm type if I remember correctly and view "machinegun" or something similar.
A very large number of firearms were available on ebay in the 90's, especialy before it became mainstream. Back then Ebay accounts did not even take a credit card to setup, just an email.

Many legal NFA firearms were also featured on ebay. I never purchased any such things, so I don't know if people then proceeded with the legal processes to transfer after someone won, but I do know they were there (at least listed as such.)
I on occasion would browse through the endless pages of firearms, linked ammunition, rocket tubes, and NFA machineguns listed on ebay.
That was ended in 1999, and many of the heavier firepower items had been phased out months prior to that.

Read this article: http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/70301
(first I could find dating back that far)

February 19, 1999
eBay To Stop Listing Firearms, Ammunition
By Cyrus Afzali
Auction site eBay Friday announced that by early March, it will no longer carry listings of firearms and ammunition.

The company said it determined "the Internet is not an appropriate venue for this kind of merchandise." eBay currently has a firearms category and guns are also listed frequently in several other categories.

To meet its deadline to eliminate the listings by March 5, the company said it will accept firearms and ammunition listings until Feb. 26. After that date, any firearms listed on the site will be removed.

"While we acknowledge the gun collectors and sports enthusiasts among our users, eBay takes its role as a responsible member of the online community very seriously," said Steve Westley, eBay's vice president of marketing and business development.

"After careful consideration of the issue, we believe the process of buying and selling firearms online is sufficiently different from the offline world and it is appropriate for us to end the user listing of firearms. . ."

Another concern, Westley said, is persons selling guns and ammunition online are unable to be certain that buyers meet all the legal qualifications to buy guns and ammunition. He said eBay was unable to arrive at an alternative that would have allowed gun sales to continue.

"We realize that the sale of firearms is a controversial issue and our stance will spark support as well as criticism. We are also sensitive to the effect that this policy may have on serious gun collectors. After thorough evaluation, we have decided to end all user listings of firearms and ammunition on eBay in the interests of our site, our users and the offline community."


Then of course in 2007 they expanded that to include firearm accessories and firearm components.
Remember much of the population did not even have emails in the mid 90's, and only those in tech savy fields used computers on a widescale or got online in the early to mid 90's.

I remember getting on the internet back in the 80's before it even existed in the public's mind. HTML did not exist yet, and there was no "web pages" so to speak. However the internet has been there with people trading and using it long before the public was aware of it. "browsing" was a real chore.

The average person did not start using the net until the very late 90's early 2000's. However many people were buying and selling various things on a widescale (including firearms) from the early to mid 1990's on. So there was a few year gap between most of the public being aware, and large scale transactions taking place.

From 1995 to 1999 firearms were sold like anything else on ebay (as well as all over the internet.)
 
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whos to say it was in the NFA registry?

The reporter, when he claimed the value at $100,000.

the reporter, citing the value of an unidentified item hardly counts as proof that it was an NFA registered item. dont infer, investigate.
 
Does anyone know what the actual charges are? They mentioned the handguns, is it illegal to own handguns there? I can understand the live grenades but what's wrong with handguns?
I wonder the same thing.Notice they dont say anything about any charges for the supposed grenades, mine, bazooka, etc (which tells me they were either legal and registered, or decomissioned/dewatted, other wise they would CERTAINLY be charging him for them, and the news would be having and even BIGGER field day with this poor guy.)The only charges mentioned are 13 misdomeaners for the 13 handguns, nothing else (and I'd guess if the NFA stuff was even in doubt in the SLIGHTEST, they would have at least charged him with some felonies for it while they ssort it all out, which leads me to believe they new right away they were legal for whatever reason, and the news is doing its usual job of sensationalizing).Do you have to register handguns in New York state? maybe he never re-registered when his expired (if that happens there), or when a law was changed and he was supposed to reregister, etc)? Does NYS have a "storage" law/requirement for handguns like some places? could be something like that to...
What say the New York Sate THR folks?
 
More than once I've seen complete grenades that are de-milled but appear functional. To me, it seems like a REAL bad idea to have one of those on hand. If they were found in your home, cops and reports would have a field day. All your stuff would most likely get carted off and either never returned or all beat up.
 
I don't have a weapons cache---I have a collection. I'm not stockpiling ammo---I'm buying at a volume discount. That's my official statement.
 
On the other hand, I live in Virginia, not the PRNY.

Long Island is barely even NY. Its more like an annex of Jersey. NY is fine, if we could just drop everything in a 50 miles radius of NYC into the ocean. NY would be a "red" state but NYC drags everything else down with it.
 
As I am from NJ I am not an expert on NY gun laws.
I think Nassau County has some kind of handgun registration and I am guessing that that is going to be the charges.
He probably didn't have all of his Is dotted and Ts crossed on his paperwork
 
Neighbors expressed shock Monday that they were living so close to such a dangerous arsenal. Jane Fisher, 46, said that when it rained, Martin would open his garage door and offer to let children wait for the school bus. Many children, including Fisher's 17-year-old daughter, took him up on the offer.

"We're feeling very lucky that nothing happened," Fisher said. "He's always been friendly. You just never know."


If the idiot reporter didn't screw this qoute up too. Is this lady saying that people who own guns are people that are unsafe to be around or was it the fact that the old man was having problems and could have lost it a started shooting up the place.
 
How many here have bought a firearm off E-bay?

Nah just the landmines, grenades, oh and a small thermonuclear device. Don't y'all know this is Al Qaeda's grocery store!

Why don't they just ban ebay, I'm sure that would solve all the problems...
 
Hide my guns

This is why when I buy a house I'm going to hide my gun safe behind a false wall . So that thieves and the police can't find it. I'll put a couple real cheap shotguns in a closet for them.
 
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