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And there's your problem. Those of us with loaded guns have time to put on the armor.
Who has body armor for HD?
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And there's your problem. Those of us with loaded guns have time to put on the armor.
heineken42069
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i have some armor for sale in the accessories section if anyone is looking for thier SHTF bax 
walking arsenal
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I am. How much?
Cannonball888
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You have a problem with that?
Bad Penny 03
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IIIA + ALICE/MOLLE type goodies.
Takes 2 secs to put on.
Takes 2 secs to put on.
LiquidTension
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I have a IIIA vest but I haven't integrated it into my home defense plan. More out of laziness than anything else - carrying it back and forth to work every day is a pain so I just leave it at the office.
As far as time, it could be left half assembled so it could be slid on and secured in ~5 seconds.
As far as time, it could be left half assembled so it could be slid on and secured in ~5 seconds.
czbegenner
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I also have body armor ,and have it somewhere close at all times , but like someone said earlyer it depends on the situation but if i can put it on i will,i allways wear it whille i am on duty.and when i take it off i lay it flat close where i can get hold of it when i can, there is nothing wrong with being extra
carefull if you can, always try to protect yourself so you can protect the ones you love, oh did i say i have a police k-9 also
carefull if you can, always try to protect yourself so you can protect the ones you love, oh did i say i have a police k-9 also
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Yes, 2.
One for me and an old PASGT for the GF, along with a pair of boots and a fire extinguisher in a tupperware or similar rolling "under bed" storage container.
However, armor is only for situations when the entrance to the BR is covered with a shottie and we're just waiting for the cops to arrive.
If someone's coming up the stairs, I'm going to be shooting, not putting something on.
John
PS: And yes, PASGT does stop handgun bullets. Everything from .22 to .44 Mag. No guarantees on backface deformation.
The only exception was a close in shot with a 9mm FMJ... but when we backed up a ways, it stopped it.
Did an article about torture testing a vest for GunNews a few years ago. To say that we were very impressed with its performance was an understatement.
Of course, YMMV.
John
One for me and an old PASGT for the GF, along with a pair of boots and a fire extinguisher in a tupperware or similar rolling "under bed" storage container.
However, armor is only for situations when the entrance to the BR is covered with a shottie and we're just waiting for the cops to arrive.
If someone's coming up the stairs, I'm going to be shooting, not putting something on.
John
PS: And yes, PASGT does stop handgun bullets. Everything from .22 to .44 Mag. No guarantees on backface deformation.
The only exception was a close in shot with a 9mm FMJ... but when we backed up a ways, it stopped it.
Did an article about torture testing a vest for GunNews a few years ago. To say that we were very impressed with its performance was an understatement.
Of course, YMMV.
John
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I do not have Body Armor; I am just a dumb old southern boy.
Now I have had folks bust down a door as kid, and I was the eldest kid in charge of siblings. Even with the knowledge civil unrest was ongoing, there was not time to put on any armor and it would not have fit me anyway.
Priority was the practiced plan to get the siblings into a safe area of the house and me to take defensive measure.
No 911 back then
Now I have had BGs finally get that hole in the roof completed, and drop down into a business , in a area not really used or accessed much (storeroom for lack of better description) after hours, and I was by myself. Nice touch cutting "a" phone line.
Again, no time to access a 'Nam era Flak jacket, that was in the business.
Priority was the practiced plan of action, including using the hidden phone line.
No Portable phones, which means no cell phones yet.
And I /we did not trust this new-fangled 911 . Call the Police direct.
I chose to call a Cop at home, let him call the station...I was a little busy and not in the mood for any thing other than dialing the phone, giving a pre-arranged code word, which meant "Serious, get here ASAP and bring the Calvary!"
Re: 'Nam era Flak Jacket.
Why did I, a person that had never been in the Service have a Flak Jacket?
Why was it at this business?
I am a shotgunner. I used it a lot in messing with clay throwers getting them set up - busted clays are sharp and will cut you/hurt you.
So in getting a High,Low house set up, and regulated with the "loop".
5 stand and all the various throwers tossing clays and checking these out.
Sporting clays and having a clay hit a tree...
I had simply tossed into the business with other gear.
Tornado was another time I used a 'Nam era Flak jacket with debris blowing.
Briar Busting out hunting a few times as well.
Hey, I still wish I had a couple of these old 'Nam Era Flak Jackets.
They work great for all sorts of non-gun stuff.
Like I said, I am just a dumb southern boy.
I do dumb stuff like stop an immediate threat with a .22 revolver, or a bone stock, full stock, 28" barrel shotgun I used for skeet and everything else, or a Beretta Minx in .22 short, or ...umm...it is OK I mention using a walk in vault door for "armor" in a house or is that just totally cheating?
Made sense to me to use the door for cover, new house, not moved into I am babysitting and the owner did not call to say he was coming out after dark.
Don't tell me you can't conceal a Model 94 in 30-30 "Oh crap, just now saw the rifle!"
Now I have had folks bust down a door as kid, and I was the eldest kid in charge of siblings. Even with the knowledge civil unrest was ongoing, there was not time to put on any armor and it would not have fit me anyway.
Priority was the practiced plan to get the siblings into a safe area of the house and me to take defensive measure.
No 911 back then
Now I have had BGs finally get that hole in the roof completed, and drop down into a business , in a area not really used or accessed much (storeroom for lack of better description) after hours, and I was by myself. Nice touch cutting "a" phone line.
Again, no time to access a 'Nam era Flak jacket, that was in the business.
Priority was the practiced plan of action, including using the hidden phone line.
No Portable phones, which means no cell phones yet.
And I /we did not trust this new-fangled 911 . Call the Police direct.
I chose to call a Cop at home, let him call the station...I was a little busy and not in the mood for any thing other than dialing the phone, giving a pre-arranged code word, which meant "Serious, get here ASAP and bring the Calvary!"
Re: 'Nam era Flak Jacket.
Why did I, a person that had never been in the Service have a Flak Jacket?
Why was it at this business?
I am a shotgunner. I used it a lot in messing with clay throwers getting them set up - busted clays are sharp and will cut you/hurt you.
So in getting a High,Low house set up, and regulated with the "loop".
5 stand and all the various throwers tossing clays and checking these out.
Sporting clays and having a clay hit a tree...
I had simply tossed into the business with other gear.
Tornado was another time I used a 'Nam era Flak jacket with debris blowing.
Briar Busting out hunting a few times as well.
Hey, I still wish I had a couple of these old 'Nam Era Flak Jackets.
They work great for all sorts of non-gun stuff.
Like I said, I am just a dumb southern boy.
I do dumb stuff like stop an immediate threat with a .22 revolver, or a bone stock, full stock, 28" barrel shotgun I used for skeet and everything else, or a Beretta Minx in .22 short, or ...umm...it is OK I mention using a walk in vault door for "armor" in a house or is that just totally cheating?
Made sense to me to use the door for cover, new house, not moved into I am babysitting and the owner did not call to say he was coming out after dark.
Don't tell me you can't conceal a Model 94 in 30-30 "Oh crap, just now saw the rifle!"
wheelgunslinger
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I've had the house entered twice while I was there at night.
Never had time to do anything but grab a firearm.
Body Armor? I'm with Brownie because I agree with him and because his experience outweighs mine. It's a good idea, but I don't see having the time.
If you haven't learned how to control your breathing and heartrate, most likely you'll be listening to your pulse. Your hands will be shaking. Your mouth will be dry.
And, as brownie pointed out, you'll be trying to wake up properly too so you don't shoot your neighbors Cleveland and Quagmire by mistake.
Maybe putting on the vest is a good way to dial in fine motor skills before you go stalking through the property looking for Mr. Windowbreaker.
But, I just don't think I'd have time to put one on. Maybe I'll buy one and keep it under the bed, though.
I'd sure hate to be in the middle of putting it on and have a guy level a... well, anything... (Insert your favorite home invasion bad guy weapon here) at me.
Those first seconds you waste may be all you get.
Never had time to do anything but grab a firearm.
Body Armor? I'm with Brownie because I agree with him and because his experience outweighs mine. It's a good idea, but I don't see having the time.
If you haven't learned how to control your breathing and heartrate, most likely you'll be listening to your pulse. Your hands will be shaking. Your mouth will be dry.
And, as brownie pointed out, you'll be trying to wake up properly too so you don't shoot your neighbors Cleveland and Quagmire by mistake.
Maybe putting on the vest is a good way to dial in fine motor skills before you go stalking through the property looking for Mr. Windowbreaker.
But, I just don't think I'd have time to put one on. Maybe I'll buy one and keep it under the bed, though.
I'd sure hate to be in the middle of putting it on and have a guy level a... well, anything... (Insert your favorite home invasion bad guy weapon here) at me.
Those first seconds you waste may be all you get.
Jinzoningen80
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I just thought I'd share my "bump in the night" reaction plan. I built my own shoulder bag out of a drop-leg molle platform and a shoulder strap.
I then had a spare IBA groin-protector sewn on the strap to center it on my chest.
In addition to several extra 12 ga. rounds, I currently have 2 flex-cuffs, a tourniquet, an Israeli dressing, a walkie talkie (to communicate with the wife in the safe room,) a spare set of surefire batteries and bulb, an extra surefire flashlight, and a knife.
The armor isn't extensive but it's better than nothing.
It sits in the corner of my bedroom like this:
I am able to throw it on a a single fast motion:
I weighed the pros and cons back and forth for a long time as to whether or not I'd want heavy armor (my IBA) at the cost of being slow to get on or speed (and no armor.) I settled on this set up. I can throw it on in a second and still have protection on my chest that will stop handgun rounds. The only problem is that I have not yet figured out how to mount a handgun for a BUG on the setup. When trying a traditional holster, I end up picking up the entire bag because it is so light and not drawing the gun from the holster. My Mossberg will have to do for the time being. What does everyone think?
I then had a spare IBA groin-protector sewn on the strap to center it on my chest.
In addition to several extra 12 ga. rounds, I currently have 2 flex-cuffs, a tourniquet, an Israeli dressing, a walkie talkie (to communicate with the wife in the safe room,) a spare set of surefire batteries and bulb, an extra surefire flashlight, and a knife.
The armor isn't extensive but it's better than nothing.
It sits in the corner of my bedroom like this:
I am able to throw it on a a single fast motion:
I weighed the pros and cons back and forth for a long time as to whether or not I'd want heavy armor (my IBA) at the cost of being slow to get on or speed (and no armor.) I settled on this set up. I can throw it on in a second and still have protection on my chest that will stop handgun rounds. The only problem is that I have not yet figured out how to mount a handgun for a BUG on the setup. When trying a traditional holster, I end up picking up the entire bag because it is so light and not drawing the gun from the holster. My Mossberg will have to do for the time being. What does everyone think?
Having shot at old, relegated to gun locker room vests, I can say that they do stop most handgun calibers by being propped up to 2x4's. I see nothing wrong with keeping one under your bed and slinging it on if you have time to do so..makes about as much sense as grabbing your weapon and flashlight and going about the premises looking for something instead of just calling the police while you barricade yourself.
TheLastBoyScout
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Sometimes I have a PASGT flak vest handy as unit-issued PT gear... if it was there, I'd use it--only takes like 2 seconds to get on.
JMusic
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I don't understand the facination with body armor. I have a vest, and I HATED to wear it and as most vetrans here know, not doing something ALL the time is when it seems to happen. My statement is this: Yes I do have body armor. Not I would not put it on. I would rather grab an extra 30 mag for my AR than dick around with a vest.
Jim
My statement is this: Yes I do have body armor. Not I would not put it on. I would rather grab an extra 30 mag for my AR than dick around with a vest.Jim
bkjeffrey
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I sleep in my Interceptor. I Keep a Mossberg 9200 loaded with 7 shots of 2-3/4 OO buck. The mossberg has a Surefire M951 and Aimpoint M2 for quick target aquisition. I also have a Glock 21 with 13 rounds of Speer Gold-Dot in a MOLLE holster on my Interseptor. The Glock 21 has a Streamlight M6 laser/light on it. I have a 90lb pitbull that hates BGs. He is my pre-emptive alarm. My PASGT is on my nite stand. When the dog barks it takes me 4 seconds to dawn my interceptor, put on my PASGT, and shoulder my 9200. I open the bedroom door, the dog goes on a wild man hunt, I chamber a round in the barrel of my 12ga to let the BG know im coming, and I begin pieing corners. I practice running through my house in the dark 20-30 times a week. Before the BG can even realize hes in someones home my dog has him by an arm, my surefire has temporarily blinded him, and he just heard a shotgun being loaded. Be ready always. Attack fast, and obtain battlespace control immediatly and you will prevail before your wife knows anything even happend.
czbegenner
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Now were talking good pratice,run the house drill,know where all doors are,where the phone is try not to sleep so sound,always stay in condition yellow
Who the heck are you guys planning on getting robbed by? A vest for HD Jeebus! I'd trip over the damn thing in the night. Why not just say hell with it and put in BP windows and doors in your house. For that matter vests for the whole family and sleep in them too. Don't forget to shower with them on. Oh by the way vests don't protect your head. Better get an armored helmet and inserts for the legs too.
What about carjackings? Is your car armored? Run Flats?
Also many people yearly are whacked by their spouse or SO. Do you wear body armor when intimate? Maybe you should!
How do you guys ever go out in public. If we lived in Iraq I would understand but fortunately most of us don't.
What about carjackings? Is your car armored? Run Flats?
Also many people yearly are whacked by their spouse or SO. Do you wear body armor when intimate? Maybe you should!
How do you guys ever go out in public. If we lived in Iraq I would understand but fortunately most of us don't.
I have 2 vests, 1 issued by the army and one from a private company. Why not have them under the bed vs. in a closet or the garage? Armed home invasions do happen...nobody on this board thinks having guns are overboard even though the odds are very slim of needing them. I sure would feel stupid (or nothing, cause I'm dead) if me or the wife got shot by burglars with 2 good vests in a closet and we had time to put them on had they been handy.
Maybe it's not worth spending $600 to get one...but if they are laying around already, why not have it handy? If the possibility of an armed threat makes having a gun a good idea, why not a vest to stop what the other guys are sending your way?
Guns for protection=smart, body armor for protection=paranoid? A vest would make every bit of sense in any defensive situation where your gun would.
Yeah wearing a vest 24/7 is a pain...but a HD scenario would be over fast...the hassle factor isn't a concern. You either have time to put it on or not. If you do have time and have one, I think it would be silly to skip it because it sounds paranoid to others on the internet. Bullets from a crack heads .22 are still lethal.
Maybe it's not worth spending $600 to get one...but if they are laying around already, why not have it handy? If the possibility of an armed threat makes having a gun a good idea, why not a vest to stop what the other guys are sending your way?
Guns for protection=smart, body armor for protection=paranoid? A vest would make every bit of sense in any defensive situation where your gun would.
Yeah wearing a vest 24/7 is a pain...but a HD scenario would be over fast...the hassle factor isn't a concern. You either have time to put it on or not. If you do have time and have one, I think it would be silly to skip it because it sounds paranoid to others on the internet. Bullets from a crack heads .22 are still lethal.
The kevlar vest will also stop a 12ga slug and covers the entire front of your body. A tac vest with a couple small plates in it is covering much less surface area of the front of your body against a threat you're much likely to face in your home. Kevlar + plates is added protection, plates without soft armor seems like a mistake.
I'm starting to think they'd sell, a nice fluffy white terry cloth plate carrier
I sure don't think there is a reason to. I sometimes wonder if it would be a better use of $500 for the guy thats buying his 100th gun and 200th crate of ammo, at least better as far as anything remotely gun related goes.
ctdonath
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You think someone breaking into your house when you're home _won't_ be armed?
What, he's just gonna say "don't mind me, I'm just grabbing the TV and I'll be outta here"?
Personally, I don't have such a vest as it seems too much to fumble with; instead (per the thread where you also thought a rifle is too much for HD), my focus is on delivering effective hits pronto - even if he has a vest.
Thanks for your comments 2RCO. I'll tackle this one:
Well, if you already have a cell phone, flashlight and firearm for HD...instead of buying an AR15 to go along with the shotgun, you would be better served by spending the $$ on a vest (from a purely defensive view). Why? Well, you can't use a shotgun and a rifle at the same time anyway, why not something that will stop bullets?
Security and freedom (or convenience) are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I realize that a vest is a lot of $$ for something you probably will never use. I don't honestly know if I would buy one if I didn't have one already considering it's very limited (possibly never) use to a civilian. All I do know I would desperately want one if there actually were intruders in my house.
P.S. Each of my vests has a level IV plate in it too...I have a pair so why not? One of the vests and the 2 plates are mine to keep, fringe benefits to playing contractor in the sandbox.
Well, if you already have a cell phone, flashlight and firearm for HD...instead of buying an AR15 to go along with the shotgun, you would be better served by spending the $$ on a vest (from a purely defensive view). Why? Well, you can't use a shotgun and a rifle at the same time anyway, why not something that will stop bullets?
Security and freedom (or convenience) are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I realize that a vest is a lot of $$ for something you probably will never use. I don't honestly know if I would buy one if I didn't have one already considering it's very limited (possibly never) use to a civilian. All I do know I would desperately want one if there actually were intruders in my house.
P.S. Each of my vests has a level IV plate in it too...I have a pair so why not? One of the vests and the 2 plates are mine to keep, fringe benefits to playing contractor in the sandbox.
seeker_two
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I don't know about getting into a vest, but I have seen some good alternatives....
Bullet-Proof Backpacks.....
Also, I've seen a fanny-pack that has a ballistic chestpiece that can be pulled out and looped around the neck. (I can find the patent for it, but I don't know who sells it... )
While neither would provide as much protection as a full vest, they would be easier to put on and still carry your other SD tools. Also, they don't seem to shout "Burt Gummer" to the world...
Worth a thought.....
Bullet-Proof Backpacks.....
Also, I've seen a fanny-pack that has a ballistic chestpiece that can be pulled out and looped around the neck. (I can find the patent for it, but I don't know who sells it...
)While neither would provide as much protection as a full vest, they would be easier to put on and still carry your other SD tools. Also, they don't seem to shout "Burt Gummer" to the world...
Worth a thought.....
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