Zander
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Is that a joke? McCain [R-Manchuria] is no friend of us gunowners.
Who here is not a Republican or a Conservative?
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Wildalaska
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And this is the way we must fight for our gun rights, open ourselves to all rather than hurling invective at those who do not share our views.
Sodbuster
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I don't think that for a minute. We're talking the founder of the Red Army (Trotsky), after all. Trotsky is a fascinating individual, even though his theory on international revolution was flawed. I do think history would have been written differently, but written better...? Less pogroms? I'm not saying that. The Narodniks may have had a more sympathetic ear in Trotsky, though.
Malone LaVeigh
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As stated elsewhere, green, civil-libertarian, market social Democrat. that's my practical answer for big-scale politics. On the small-scale, I could probably be described as an anarcho-syndacalist. I live in a community that features individual choice within households but makes community decisions by consensus.
Breaking it down:
green - small "g" mostly, though I am regisgtered in the Green Party. I don't really get along with the local Greens and disagree with the party platform in the last election re 2nd amendment. Also the party has been hijacked by doctrinaire Leftists. I'm really more of an Ed Abbey redneck environmentalist. I put the word in the label because, for me, the environent is the bottom line. All of the ideologies sound pretty stupid when you're talking about survival of our or other species and the ability of the planet to provide sustainable resources. Left and Right both view the Earth as an inert commodity to exploit for human gratification, instead of as a life-support system. Their main argument is over which is more effective in delivering the goods and to whom. When I get down to the "lesser of evils" stage, this is what decides my vote. Thus, if Nader hadn't been on the ballot last time around, I'd have voted for Gore. In fact, if I had it to do over, I'd move to Florida and vote for Gore.
Also belonging under "green", I'm very anti-war. I'm not 100% pacifist, obviously, but believe war should be used only as a last resort in dire extremity. I'm against the large standing military we have and the militarization of our culture. I favor a citizen militia made up of millions of households with a good rifle or shotgun behind the door.
civil-libertarian - Again, small "l". I'm mostly with libertarians on the issues of individual freedom, but don't see corporations or big businesses as deserving of those rights. I also think the people, through due political processes, have a right to regulate activities by anyone that damages the common good. I would be very restrained in exercising that power, but think there are plenty of cases where "pretty please" and lawsuits would never do the trick.
market - I believe in relatively free markets for delivering consumer goods.
social Democrat - Small "s" and "d". I basically favor a mixed economy.
This year, I did vote for a Republican, one of the first I ever voted for. I'd probably vote for Ron Paul, though I doubt if we agree on the environment.
Breaking it down:
green - small "g" mostly, though I am regisgtered in the Green Party. I don't really get along with the local Greens and disagree with the party platform in the last election re 2nd amendment. Also the party has been hijacked by doctrinaire Leftists. I'm really more of an Ed Abbey redneck environmentalist. I put the word in the label because, for me, the environent is the bottom line. All of the ideologies sound pretty stupid when you're talking about survival of our or other species and the ability of the planet to provide sustainable resources. Left and Right both view the Earth as an inert commodity to exploit for human gratification, instead of as a life-support system. Their main argument is over which is more effective in delivering the goods and to whom. When I get down to the "lesser of evils" stage, this is what decides my vote. Thus, if Nader hadn't been on the ballot last time around, I'd have voted for Gore. In fact, if I had it to do over, I'd move to Florida and vote for Gore.
Also belonging under "green", I'm very anti-war. I'm not 100% pacifist, obviously, but believe war should be used only as a last resort in dire extremity. I'm against the large standing military we have and the militarization of our culture. I favor a citizen militia made up of millions of households with a good rifle or shotgun behind the door.
civil-libertarian - Again, small "l". I'm mostly with libertarians on the issues of individual freedom, but don't see corporations or big businesses as deserving of those rights. I also think the people, through due political processes, have a right to regulate activities by anyone that damages the common good. I would be very restrained in exercising that power, but think there are plenty of cases where "pretty please" and lawsuits would never do the trick.
market - I believe in relatively free markets for delivering consumer goods.
social Democrat - Small "s" and "d". I basically favor a mixed economy.
This year, I did vote for a Republican, one of the first I ever voted for. I'd probably vote for Ron Paul, though I doubt if we agree on the environment.
Butch
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No Party, pro gun only criterion for my vote.
US government should only be into national defense, nothing else.
State & local should do everything else!!!!
US government should only be into national defense, nothing else.
State & local should do everything else!!!!
Joe Demko
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I'm in favor of an old fashioned, cult-of-personality, rule by whim of the moment dictatorship. One with myself as the despot in question. Until we achieve that ideal situation, a minimalist government based on the US Constitution will serve.
Anybody who claims he can see any real difference between the Democrats and Republicans should strongly favor legalization of all narcotics, as he is already doing some very potent stuff.
Anybody who claims he can see any real difference between the Democrats and Republicans should strongly favor legalization of all narcotics, as he is already doing some very potent stuff.
Gray Peterson
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Great Subject
On many issues, I'm not typical.
Environmentalism: I'm a strict believer in private property rights. Though I do not support state control of the "environment", I believe that if the stuff you're dumping devalues my property and pollutes it, you deserve to get sued, and if neccesary, stopped from doing so, in civil court.
Gun Control: Non starter. Vermont style carry across the nation, limited laws on the state level.
Abortion: If we didn't have so many idiots out there who think saran wrap is a proper condom, this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is.
That being said, it's hard to have an opinion in terms of personal feeling when my only method of reproduction available to me would have to be surrogacy (which is fully legal in Oregon, btw).
Establishment Clause: Though many would disagree with me, the issue of the posting of the ten commandments in schools, in courthouses, the "Under god" controversy that occured last year. Both sides of the issue is pretty extreme and have done much to damage many's way of life. Students are being told that they can't even possess a bible on school grounds in certain areas of the country, and so on, is unacceptable. The other extreme given is that "America is a christian nation and therefor deserves an exception to the establishment clause", which is also unacceptable.
Gay rights: See the sig.
I ain't no Republican conservative, and I sure as hell ain't no Democrat socialist liberal, either.
On many issues, I'm not typical.
Environmentalism: I'm a strict believer in private property rights. Though I do not support state control of the "environment", I believe that if the stuff you're dumping devalues my property and pollutes it, you deserve to get sued, and if neccesary, stopped from doing so, in civil court.
Gun Control: Non starter. Vermont style carry across the nation, limited laws on the state level.
Abortion: If we didn't have so many idiots out there who think saran wrap is a proper condom, this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is.
That being said, it's hard to have an opinion in terms of personal feeling when my only method of reproduction available to me would have to be surrogacy (which is fully legal in Oregon, btw).Establishment Clause: Though many would disagree with me, the issue of the posting of the ten commandments in schools, in courthouses, the "Under god" controversy that occured last year. Both sides of the issue is pretty extreme and have done much to damage many's way of life. Students are being told that they can't even possess a bible on school grounds in certain areas of the country, and so on, is unacceptable. The other extreme given is that "America is a christian nation and therefor deserves an exception to the establishment clause", which is also unacceptable.
Gay rights: See the sig.
I ain't no Republican conservative, and I sure as hell ain't no Democrat socialist liberal, either.
Glock Glockler
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I don't really know where I fit. For example, I'm neither homosexual nor do I take any illegal drugs, in fact, I think homosexuality is immoral and disgusting (an exemption being a pack of Norwegian lesbians who feed me grapes and teach me to sing) and I also think the same of drug abuse and misuse, but I don't advocate the infringement of any adult's right to partake in such activities.
I might think that something is wrong, in that respect I'm conservative, but I'm an an ardent libertarian concerning the legality of that activity.
I might think that something is wrong, in that respect I'm conservative, but I'm an an ardent libertarian concerning the legality of that activity.
doseyclwn
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I like Norwegian Lesbians as well.
Sorry, I had to.
And I don't take illegal drugs either, but I used to (been clean 7.5 years).
QKRTHNU
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Independant libertarian.
Probally more of a anarchist at heart, but everyone knows that's a pipe dream.
Probally more of a anarchist at heart, but everyone knows that's a pipe dream.
Byron Quick
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rational anarchist. I really can't tell much difference between liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans.
chaim
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Still a conservative Democrat, and I'll probably stay with that for a little while longer. I thought about changing but couldn't figure out what to change to. I have just as many problems with the Republican and Libertarian parties as I do the Democratic party so if I change I'll be just as much a misfit. If I change to "independent" I would no longer be able to vote in any primaries. Once someone on TFL said I should become a member of the Constitutional party but looking at much of their platform makes me shudder. So unless I move to a state that allows independents to vote in one of the primaries or I become more Libertarian or Republican I'll remain a conservative Democrat on paper and independent in reality.
Wildalaska
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I think perhaps you should include a few more people so we could have not just despotship, but a backward looking oligarchy....
WyldOne,
Where are you?
As for the unfairness of labeling Dems anti-gun, it didn't come out of thin air and wasn't invented by the Repubs. Their track record speaks for itself, and though 'conservative' and 'pro-gun' Dems exist ( vide Zell Miller, God bless him), they are very much the exception which proves the rule. It takes a willful denial of reality to claim that the anti-gun reputation of the Dems is a Repub fabrication.
That's not to deny that there are plenty of anti-gun, socialistic, pro-abortion Repubs. They're called RINOs.
Your party affiliation is your call, your right, and none of my business. Just don't try to tell me that Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and Diane Feinstein don't represent the Dems.
That said, I come here to talk guns and gun rights with like-minded friends of whatever other political views, and I'd hate to see another political pi**ing contest. Let's talk about shooting.
Where are you?
As for the unfairness of labeling Dems anti-gun, it didn't come out of thin air and wasn't invented by the Repubs. Their track record speaks for itself, and though 'conservative' and 'pro-gun' Dems exist ( vide Zell Miller, God bless him), they are very much the exception which proves the rule. It takes a willful denial of reality to claim that the anti-gun reputation of the Dems is a Repub fabrication.
That's not to deny that there are plenty of anti-gun, socialistic, pro-abortion Repubs. They're called RINOs.
Your party affiliation is your call, your right, and none of my business. Just don't try to tell me that Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and Diane Feinstein don't represent the Dems.
That said, I come here to talk guns and gun rights with like-minded friends of whatever other political views, and I'd hate to see another political pi**ing contest. Let's talk about shooting.
Glock Glockler
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http://wyldone.proboards4.com/index.cgi
She's doin' her thing at her website. Drop her an email and invite her over with a link to this thread and I'm sure she'll drop by
She's doin' her thing at her website. Drop her an email and invite her over with a link to this thread and I'm sure she'll drop by
NIGHTWATCH
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Sleeper Cell Conservative.
Gary Hillard
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Only the interesting ones. Gary
Chris Rhines
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I'm a long-haired, wild-eyed, bomb-tossing, gold-plated anarchist.
Well, I don't actually toss bombs, not anymore. And my hair isn't particularly long. But the description helps get the point across...
There's no government like no government!
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Well, I don't actually toss bombs, not anymore. And my hair isn't particularly long. But the description helps get the point across...
There's no government like no government!
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Marshall
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Republican to the bone!
Saying that I would never vote for any Liberal or Closet Liberal (easily spotted) would be redundant so, I won't.
Saying that I would never vote for any Liberal or Closet Liberal (easily spotted) would be redundant so, I won't.
clem
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"My grandmother's brain was dead, but her heart was still beating. It was the first time we ever had a Democrat in the family."
Emo Phillips
Sorry, I'm a bad man, I just couldn't help myself!
Emo Phillips
Sorry, I'm a bad man, I just couldn't help myself!
grampster
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What Emo said!
Malone LaVeigh
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I suppose once her heart stopped, she qualified as a Republican...
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