Who hunts with a service rifle?

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When I was a kid in the 50's-60's military rifles, particularly sporterized ones were quite common for hunting. While it may seem odd today to use milsurp stuff, what about a 30-06 or 308 wouldn't be good for hunting???

Also, you need to remember that scopes at that time were pretty much crap and a lot of guys used iron sights or fixed power scopes anyway. My uncle had a variable on his .270 but left it set on 4x all the time because the zero wandered so bad when the power was changed. He used a Krag for bear hunting.

I use an AR for coyotes and prarie dogs
 
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I've known a few old guys down home in the desert who hunted with Garands, they had special 5rd clips for them. My grandfather had a sporterized 1917 Enfield in '06, which my father still carries, and I got the M-1 carbine, which my father has actually killed three deer with over the years. (My grandfather paid I think $15 for it when he joined the NRA in the 50s.) (Every time he tells people that, they look at him like he is crazy for using it on deer.) I keep it loaded for HD for my wife, (for her to USE, not to defend AGAINST her, wisenheimers,) and sometimes I take it out to splatter jackrabbits.

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Tell us about he 3 deer killed with the carbine, Im interested in hearing a bit more about that. Did your Dad tell you the ranges each was taken at, and what ammo he was using? Im still laughing at the HD from, or should I say for, the wife comment.
 
Two does and three hogs (including this 500lb-er) from my homebuilt AR-15 in 7.62x39:

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been cutting down the jackrabbit numbers out by castle hot springs with an imbel fal w/iron sights. nothing more challenging or rewarding at 75 yards...
 
Until I get my 6.5 Grendel AR-15 assembled for hunting...

I've been using this restored M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant on whitetails. Last year, I heard the unmistakeable sound of 8 rounds, followed by a "ping", not too far from my stand in our usual hunting grounds in Wisconsin. So evidently somebody was using an M1 Garand for their deer rifle, but wanted to make sure they got their buck after the first round! :D

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You weren't hunting in Richland County were you? If so, it certainly wasn't me;)
 
My first real rifle was an old M1917 Enfield, I shot quite a few deer with it. I loaned it to a friend last year who shot a nice little 3 point Muley with it.
 
Does a K-31 count? I took my first hog with one earlier this summer. Details in the hunting forum.
 
Gewehr98, you actually commit hunting with that work of art?!? :eek:

Well, can't say I blame ya... :uhoh: :)

Apparently my M48 has one quietly confirmed kill, plus a sparrow that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure it would work for hunting, too... if I ever have the opportunity. :confused:
 
Shot my first deer in N. California with my M1 Garand about 60 yards away.
 
The first and only deer I ever killed was with a scoped M1A. Dropped hammer-dead, right there (HDRT). The M1A was the only scoped rifle I had sighted in and had loaded ammo for, both at the same time, when a short-notice invitation to hunt came in. Don't think it mattered to the deer.
 
Oh, heck yes!

Gewehr98, you actually commit hunting with that work of art?!?

I've also been known to take that pretty Remington Model 8 seen pictured on THR out into the woods. Fellow hunters laugh at my expense, because once I confirm the deer is hit, I scramble to retrieve the empty .32 Remington brass.

I thought for a while about the repercussions of taking that 1903A4 sniper out into the woods, but in the end, I realized the gun is rather simple in design and execution, it doesn't weigh too much on my shoulder when slung, the 2.5x M73 scope is clear and bright with a large field of view, and the .30-06 cartridge is well-nigh perfect for the task at hand. Were I to ding or scratch the stock, it's just another quick hit with the steam iron and a rubdown with more boiled linseed oil. I've got plenty of practice with that. :D

This year might be different. My feet are giving me hell with plantar fasciitis, so my walking hunts I enjoy so much may have to be throttled back some. I may just go directly to a favorite corner of a cornfield and set up with my Remington 700PSS on bipod and wait for them to cross my arc of fire. I could still use the scoped M14NM to keep it a service rifle, I guess. ;)
 
I'm going to politely disagree with Jorg, in my lifetime, there has always been a 5 rd capacity limit. It must be somewhere else in the proclaimation. (The Utah Big game proc reads like war and peace, but I force myself through it every year.)

You may politely disagree with my cited information, but if I am incorrect, please show me where to find the information. My original post contains a link to the proclamation, please provide a page number so I can correct my post.

We BOTH agreed that this should be amended to include a caliber and/or muzzle energy requirement

Years ago, they had barrel length restrictions. Those have been removed and caliber and muzzle energy requirements for handguns have been in their place for awhile now.
 
I've taken 3 or 4 with an M1 Carbine. A couple with a G3. The last one I took last season was with an AK variant.

I will only hunt with these types--my little part to beat 'em at their own game. (Hey, if hunting aint a sport, what is? And I'm using my stuff for huntin'.)
 
I've taken deer with my Mk1 No.III in 303 and with a sporterized K11 in 308Win. Carried an M44 MN several times but not a chance for a shot yet. Maybe this year. :)
 
High Plains Drifter,

I talked to my dad, the deer he killed with the M-1 carbine were 35 years ago, one was at about 75 yards, broadside, and he was using surplus ammo, which I'm sure must be 115 gr fmj. The other one was less than 20 yards away, he spooked it. He killed both of them the same day, he tagged one, his dad tagged the other. (This was back when he dared to team hunt. He knows that the game police are much less forgiving on that now than they used to be.)

As far as the 5 round limit, I also scoured the proclaimation, and could find no specific limit. Today is a state holiday, so the DWR offices are closed. (I called sportsman's warehouse and they weenied out of answering the question.) HOWEVER, When I bought my M1A, there was a Weber Co deputy present, and he agreed that there is a 5 rd limit for big game. The game warden I grew up with, and knew well enough to date his daughter, also said there was a 5 rd limit. This means one of two things must be true. Either A: The law has been changed, or B: There is an error in the proclaimation. I would rather be cautious, and limit it to 5 + 1, than do what I want, and argue with a fish cop AND a judge about who is more current on the law. If one is completely bent on using a hi-cap, I recommend, highlight that paragraph in the proclaimation, keep it in your pocket, and hope for the best. I'm just limiting capacity. (I've never had a hunting shot that would have been made better with more than 5 rounds.)
 
Today is a state holiday, so the DWR offices are closed.

So I've noticed. I was going to call BCI and try to find out where the hell my carry permit is. Last Wednesday they told me it'd been mailed out on Monday... :cuss: Got the message that said "today is a holiday". I was like, "WHAT holiday? It's July freaking twenty-fourth!"

Pioneer Day, apparently...
 
This means one of two things must be true. Either A: The law has been changed, or B: There is an error in the proclaimation.

The law has neither been changed recently nor is there any evidence of an error in the proclamation.

Utah DWR laws come from the Utah Administrative Code. R657-5 has the same wording as the proclamation. It also appears to have been that way for at least 10 years. Here are links for 9 of the last 10 proclamations: 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996.

Unfortunately, that was as far back as I found proclamations online. Since in the back of my mind I had a faint memory of such a restriction, as well as hearing it from others over the years, I did poke around a few other places. I only found two references in newsgroups to magazine capacity restrictions in Utah.

The first, from 1996, reads:

Utah law provides that "all centerfire rifles are legal for taking big game". Period. However, that didn't stop a few zealous bureaucrats from trying to outlaw guns via wildlife regulations. In 1990, the Division of Wildlife Resources (DWR) changed the big-game regulations to the following:
1. Only centerfire rifles of .24 caliber or larger; and
2. Have a magazine capacity of no greater than 8 rounds. Which of course, was aimed at preventing people from hunting with Eeevil AR-15s (as if anyone ever did). The problem was that the DWR didn't really think about their regulations before they issued them (which makes me think that they were inserted by some mid-level manager). They outlawed popular deer and antelope-hunting cartridges such as the 220 Swift and the 22-250. The storm of protest was overwhelming, and the regulations were quickly hanged the next year.​
The second, from 1998, says:
In Utah, the only restriction on rifles used for big-game hunting is that they fire a centerfire cartridge. Fully-automatic weapons are prohibited, but that is because of their rate of fire, not their magazine capacity. A few years ago, during the "assault weapons" hysteria, the Division of Wildlife Resources tried to ban rifles that fired a cartridge less than .24 inches in caliber and had a magazine capacity of greater than ten rounds. They quickly retracted the restriction when hundreds of angry hunters informed them that they could no longer use their .220 Swifts and 22-250 Savages.

So, there we have it.

That said, if the original poster (Nightcrawler) had a smaller magazine available, I'd recommend using that. Not for legal reasons, but simply because it'll weigh a bit less and be less prone to snagging on things.

On a side note, Nightcrawler, did you see my post about BCI being overwhelmed by the number of applications and actually being behind? That is probably related to your delay. I have a couple of friends who are still waiting for their permits too. I hope they straighten than out by 2010 when I have renew again. :D Hang in there. Oh, and the 24th is one of the biggest holidays in Utah. It's got this patriotic/religious angle that the people around here just eat up. You'll get used to it. Maybe.


Now, let's see some more of those sweet rifles. :)
 
First Whittail deer with an 1955 Enfield No.4 MKII - 303 British, 180 gr. WIN SP at at 55 yrds. - slightly overkill, but deer fell where it stood - like a paper target.

Entry wound caliber size, exit wound 1 ".

Will take it on Elk hunt next.
 
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