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Who is aiding/supplying the Iraqi Rebels?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ballistic gelatin, Oct 8, 2004.

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  1. ballistic gelatin

    ballistic gelatin Member

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    I keep wondering how these "rebels" are able to stage the assaults on troops in Iraq. Sure, i know small groups can wreak havoc, but I can't help but think the Chinese or Russians are secretly supplying them with weapons and information.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Preacherman

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    Think Iran.
     
  3. jefnvk

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    I don't think the big Russian or Chinese gov't is helping them, but more like local commanders 'losing' arms and ammo for lumps of money being put in their bank accounts.

    And don't forget that there are millions of weapons unaccounted for all over the world. And, I bet that many have their weapons from their time in Saddam's army, and the local armories were probably looted.
     
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    Before I'd speculate that Russians or Chinese are involved remember that Iraq was /is one big arms dump that was not cleaned up or properly secured by our people ( under manned IMO). The rebels are probably Baath loyalists and Al Quida.
     
  5. ballistic gelatin

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    I wouldn't mind having a couple of RGP's.

    When do you think they'll be availabel here in the states. Other than hollywood.
     
  6. rick_reno

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    There were large stockpiles of arms all over the country when the war "ended". We stood by while they looted these stockpiles, which they're now using to kill our troops. I've read of our troops helping them load artillery shells (now being used to fabricate IED's) into their car trunks when Saddam fell.
     
  7. moa

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    Last I heard in the news, we have uncovered 8,600 munitions dumps in Iraq so far. Some of them are huge. I get the impression there is no way to destroy or protect all those dumps with the number of troops we have there. According to the article I read, we have 6,000 troops engaged in finding an securing those dumps.

    After the war was over there was massive looting. And, in number of instances, the Iraqi military commanders told their troops to go home and take their weapons with them.

    But, I was just thinking. It is the occupation policy to allow at least one weapon in every household for self protection. Maybe more than one. If that is the case, and the occupation is so hated by the Iraqis, then IMHO Iraq would be 24x7 shooting gallery nationwide. It ain't. At least not yet.

    And, there is no doubt that money, weapons and fighters are coming from Iran. That is to be expected.
     
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    I would say that Syria could be way up the list of "Usual Suspects". . .
     
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    France, Germany, Russia and China have all sold Iraq weapons since the first Gulf War. The usual excuse is to say that Iraq got them before 1991 but the French missles hitting our planes were made after that. Read "Treachery" by Bill Gertz to learn all about this - plus we're getting closer and closer to getting the list of names of our "allies" who've worked against us by selling arms to Saddam. These people made millions if not billions in the "Oil for Food" fiasco, and it's no suprise they then blocked us in the UN so we "couldn't" go after their sugar daddy Saddam.
     
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    During the 2003 Iraq war, two M1 Abrams tanks were knocked out by a was top-of-line Russian anti-tank weapon which was fielded in 1996 in Russia. Kornet I think is the name of the weapon.
     
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    My guesses are as follows. Financial support from wealthy Islamists in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria and other Muslim states. Warm bodies to carry guns & bombs, from most any refugee camp in the middle east.

    If you'll think back to the height of the troubles in Norther Ireland, the cash came from not only the eastern bloc but also wealthy people of Irish extraction in the US, Europe and also the Irish republic.
     
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    If you'll think back to the height of the troubles in Norther Ireland, the cash came from not only the eastern bloc but also wealthy people of Irish extraction in the US, Europe and also the Irish republic.
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    Don't sell the British short -- they contributed their share to the Loyalist terrorists and paramilitaries.
     
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    Pentagon estimates are between 650,000 and one million tons of munitions in Iraq. How many actual weapons is anybodies guess.

    We will be fighting over there for years to come.
     
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    The War on Terror is like the War on Disease -- we can keep it down, but there will never come a day when we can lay off all the doctors and flush all the medicines down the toilet.
     
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    Its already been all over the news about Russian giving material support to the Iraqis. There have also been many reports of Iran's own military personnel fighting in Iraq (with different clothing of course). There have been many other reports of Jordanians and Syrians coming over into Iraq to fight against the USA and allies. I wouldn't put it past any of those Muslim/Islamic countries to aid and supply the Iraqis and or get personally involved (by sending their own troops in under plain clothes).

    Thinking about this causes me wonder if there are other nations giving support just to see a good fight and or assess the USA (and all those involved) for future confrontation.
     
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    Its already been all over the news about Russian giving material support to the Iraqis. There have also been many reports of Iran's own military personnel fighting in Iraq (with different clothing of course). There have been many other reports of Jordanians and Syrians coming over into Iraq to fight against the USA and allies. I wouldn't put it past any of those Muslim/Islamic countries to aid and supply the Iraqis and or get personally involved (by sending their own troops in under plain clothes).
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    Which tells us two things:

    1. The enemy believe that we will never be able to muster the political will to go into Iran, Syria and so on (and hence we will lose the War on Terror), and

    2. We damn' well BETTER muster the political will to go into those countries!
     
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    Iran, Syria, Russia, China and North Korea are the primary post-Saddam sources. There is proof that Russia and China were both still sending major weapons systems into Iraq while the US was in the process of invading the country. France was shipping weapons up to the commencement of hostilities. All were participating in the UN "Oil for Weapons" program.
     
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    If we had simply obliterated Baghdad at the outset, then accepted unconditional surrenders from Iraq and the rest of the Islamic terrorist states, we wouldn't have to worry about any of this ugliness.

    When was the last time you heard of military trouble from Germany or Japan?

    Land wars in Asia have a nasty way of turning hideous.
     
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    We'll never get unconditional surrender from terrorists. The best we can hope for is to overturn regimes that support terrorists and replace them with regimes friendly to us.
     
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    Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, quite a few partisan groups like Al Kaida, Islamic Jihad, etc. Not to mention that the vast majority of the resistance fighters are just regular Iraqi's who are sick of getting bombed by Americans and just want us gone.
     
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    I have to agree with wolf on this point. However, we should remember that terrorism is just a tactic and we may as well, as Griffen put it, be fighting a war on sin...

    I think more work has to be done to understand the enemy if the destruction of the arab world is not an option.
     
  23. Standing Wolf

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    It's always a good idea to understand one's enemy. I certainly don't advocate the destruction of the Arab world: merely the destruction of every follower of Islam who feels entitled to wage war against civilization.

    What Muslims do in their portion of the world is entirely their concern, barbaric though I personally consider much of what passes for Islamic culture, starting with "converting" people by the sword. What they do in our portion of the world is very much our concern—or ought to be, at least.

    I'm sure defeating the Islamic terrorist states wouldn't put a complete end to Islamic terrorist savagry; I'm very sure, however, the nations that have aided and abetted the savages could be forcibly persuaded to stop. They've been offered every reasonable opportunity and incentive. As of September 12, 2001, they should have been forcibly stopped once and for all.
     
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    One of the problems with "their world" and "our world" is that their world has become so hostile that thousands of them are migrating to our world. I mean the same thing happened a few hundreds of years ago, the Muslim/Islamic people moved north into Europe which resulted in major conflict and several wars.

    So, it all come down to the rights of the ancestors, which takes us all the way back to Abraham. The Islamic people think that all the land around Israel is rightfully theirs (based upon scripture) and the Israelies think all that land rightfully belongs to them (based upon scriptures). There's no winning it in todays PC mentality.

    Now since there is serious hostilities in most if not all Islamic countries (as a direct result of dictatorial, tyrannical rulers) then there has been some major migration all over the place (which transportation technologies has made it possible for the entire world to become involved... all at once... yippy for us!).

    I'm thinking that this is going to be a never-ending bout. It may end up something like the 100 years war that Spain had with the Arabs. And the only way Spain was able to conquer them was to declare a national religion and then wipe out everything else that wasn't.... :uhoh:
     
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    They are buying them here in America, using the massive gun show loophole. I thought that was common knowledge.
     
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