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None of these people are even aquaintences of mine, they're just people I've observed
Who Is Teaching These People That This Behavior Is Acceptable?
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None of these people are even aquaintences of mine, they're just people I've observed
Trunk Monkey,
There is more than one way to skin a cat--file an anonymous complaint not with the police department but the politicos over them--e.g. mayor, city council, etc. Be vague about some of the details but specific about the last name and the behavior that you saw. Emails from throwaway accounts work or a fax from a busy public place such as Staples while paying cash.
There is more than one way to skin a cat--file an anonymous complaint not with the police department but the politicos over them--e.g. mayor, city council, etc. Be vague about some of the details but specific about the last name and the behavior that you saw. Emails from throwaway accounts work or a fax from a busy public place such as Staples while paying cash.
A gun is something to be treated with the utmost respect. The rules of safety always apply. I get tired of hearing that many cops are "not gun guys." Whether they like them or not, guns are a main tool of their trade. Hopefully they were taught right once at the academy. It is up to their peers and supervisors to enforce what they learned there. If that doesn't happen, the whole department is at fault.
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Many, many, many people have yet to figure out that guns are not toys and they should be handled with great care.
I am convinced that this is the cause of most NDs and I avoid such people as much as possible.
I was at large sporting goods store (not a chain store) with a large and excellent shooting sports department a couple years back around Christmas and they were packed with lot's of holiday shoppers, and this young guy was swinging a shotgun off the racks around, flagging every one in the area, striking Rambo poses, while two teeny-bopper girls took pics of him on their cell phones. I was quite ticked and said to the clerk at the register, in a voice loud enough to be heard by everyone around (my voice carries) "if that @ssh0le points that shotgun at me again, I'm going to shove it up his @ss". Another clerk quickly ran over and told the guy to put the shotgun back in the racks.
Who does this kind of thing? Complete idiots! And there are way too many of them around these days.
I am convinced that this is the cause of most NDs and I avoid such people as much as possible.
I was at large sporting goods store (not a chain store) with a large and excellent shooting sports department a couple years back around Christmas and they were packed with lot's of holiday shoppers, and this young guy was swinging a shotgun off the racks around, flagging every one in the area, striking Rambo poses, while two teeny-bopper girls took pics of him on their cell phones. I was quite ticked and said to the clerk at the register, in a voice loud enough to be heard by everyone around (my voice carries) "if that @ssh0le points that shotgun at me again, I'm going to shove it up his @ss". Another clerk quickly ran over and told the guy to put the shotgun back in the racks.
Who does this kind of thing? Complete idiots! And there are way too many of them around these days.
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Boom boom is right on the money. We have a sworn officer acting irresponsibly with his duty weapon, in a mental health facility, and threatening to shoot a psychotic patient. Is that about the size of it? I'll tell you right now, if he worked for me, I'd snatch a knot in him the size of which it would take a buzzard a month to fly around. It didn't happen on that occasion, but if he keeps this up, and I bet he will, he WILL provoke an incident. The problem is that when he DOES provoke a response, you'll have MANY unbalanced people acting out, responding, at the same time. Bad gris gris as the Creoles say.
There is very little you believe that you can do to affect change in this gold plated nitwit, so your next best goal is to protect yourself and the patients in the facility. My first stop would be to stop by and have a little face to face time with your supervisor. Tell him what you've told us. Keep in mind if things blow up, your company may lose the contract, and I guarantee that your supervisor will face some of that heat internally from his boss. Second, if he finds out that you knew that this was going on and you DIDN'T tell him, you won't be his favorite employee, and we want to avoid that.
Your best options as I see them are
1. An anonymous complaint to his agency
2. A friendly conversation with your supervisor.
3. keep a diary of these things in case it comes back to bite you. Lawyers and investigators love documentation.
You seem to be the only responsible adult in the situation. Watch your back, be careful, and I hope this ends well for you.
There is very little you believe that you can do to affect change in this gold plated nitwit, so your next best goal is to protect yourself and the patients in the facility. My first stop would be to stop by and have a little face to face time with your supervisor. Tell him what you've told us. Keep in mind if things blow up, your company may lose the contract, and I guarantee that your supervisor will face some of that heat internally from his boss. Second, if he finds out that you knew that this was going on and you DIDN'T tell him, you won't be his favorite employee, and we want to avoid that.
Your best options as I see them are
1. An anonymous complaint to his agency
2. A friendly conversation with your supervisor.
3. keep a diary of these things in case it comes back to bite you. Lawyers and investigators love documentation.
You seem to be the only responsible adult in the situation. Watch your back, be careful, and I hope this ends well for you.
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Just as an update we had an incident at work the other day in which one patient assaulted another and then claimed police brutality against the same cop when he was taken into custody.
It's quite likely that I am going to be subpoenaed to testify on this cop's behalf.
It's quite likely that I am going to be subpoenaed to testify on this cop's behalf.
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Irony to be sure. However, with your character, it is easy to see that you will speak the truth as you saw it, no matter your personal feelings about the LEO.
You would think cops would be safer, more intelligent & more mature gun owners than the average person. NOT.
The only negligent discharge I've ever witnessed was by a uniformed police officer. He walked in the gun shop & asked me if our gunsmith can change sights on his 1911. He pulls it out of a pouch, sweeping me with the muzzle repeatedly with his finger resting on the trigger & I noticed the hammer was cocked. When I moved out of way of the muzzle, he chuckled. Then the gun fired, shattering 8 display cases & narrowly missing the owner's 15-year-old son. He looks at me & asks, "How'd that happen?" I was really pissed & I answered, "Your finger was on the trigger, you moron...are you a real cop?" Some "King Cop" supervisor showed up & interviewed everyone. Later (for some reason) I received an "Incident Report" in the mail. It was full of lies about what happened, making it sound like there was something wrong with gun....not the moron cop. My favorite statement in the report: "While holding the gun, it unconsciously fired." (unconsciously spelled uncoshiously)
Yeah...I just hate it when guns fire uncoshiously.
The only negligent discharge I've ever witnessed was by a uniformed police officer. He walked in the gun shop & asked me if our gunsmith can change sights on his 1911. He pulls it out of a pouch, sweeping me with the muzzle repeatedly with his finger resting on the trigger & I noticed the hammer was cocked. When I moved out of way of the muzzle, he chuckled. Then the gun fired, shattering 8 display cases & narrowly missing the owner's 15-year-old son. He looks at me & asks, "How'd that happen?" I was really pissed & I answered, "Your finger was on the trigger, you moron...are you a real cop?" Some "King Cop" supervisor showed up & interviewed everyone. Later (for some reason) I received an "Incident Report" in the mail. It was full of lies about what happened, making it sound like there was something wrong with gun....not the moron cop. My favorite statement in the report: "While holding the gun, it unconsciously fired." (unconsciously spelled uncoshiously)
Yeah...I just hate it when guns fire uncoshiously.
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I think a lot of bad habits come from guys not shooting formal target sports. If
someone goes to ranges and shoots bullseye or IDPA or whatever he/she will quickly
learn safety or get thrown out on his/her ear.
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someone goes to ranges and shoots bullseye or IDPA or whatever he/she will quickly
learn safety or get thrown out on his/her ear.
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Whole thing is on video. Couldn't lie if I wanted to
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I find that it is hard to teach a grown adult to do the right thing when their morals/integrity/ethics should already be guiding their decision-making process. Perhaps my time in the military, particularly as a Commander, just gives me a very simplistic view on things I will and will not compromise on.
These days when one of my Soldiers is confronted by something they should not have done, ignorance has never been an excuse that's worked for them. CCW should be viewed equally as as a tremendous responsibility alongside the argument of gun rights (which I'm a firm believer in). Some just don't think they need to take it seriously, or act like professionals.
These days when one of my Soldiers is confronted by something they should not have done, ignorance has never been an excuse that's worked for them. CCW should be viewed equally as as a tremendous responsibility alongside the argument of gun rights (which I'm a firm believer in). Some just don't think they need to take it seriously, or act like professionals.
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