Who likes the ARX projectile?

[WheelGunMan]

Its even odds the engineers probably have never seen that wording. Probably all made up by the market team. Been there done that.

I guess you'll never truly know until you call them to refute their findings. Until proven otherwise, I'll go with what they're calling it. With that...I'm done talking about it.

 

[mcb]

I guess you'll never truly know until you call them to refute their findings. Until proven otherwise, I'll go with what they're calling it. With that...I'm done talking about it.

I have no intentions of refuting their findings, I don't think they are wrong. The evidence is clear in their tests they have made public that the flute due interesting things in gel. I was just point out their incorrect terminology for what is cause those effects. It can't be Venturi.

Setting the pedantic engineering terms to the side. Is there any data on down range ballistics for those bullets?

The 450 Bushmaster bullet has had me intrigued but there is no down range numbers. They are pushing those 158 gr ARX to ~2700 fps from a 450 Bushmaster which is fairly impressive but if it bleeds all that energy away really fast then I am still better off with my slow and heavy that does not loose KE nearly as fast.

 

[tubeshooter]

I bought a box of .38 Special awhile ago. Still haven't fired a round of it yet...

Like a lot of others, I tend to prefer my handgun bullets heavy-for-caliber. Also like a lot of others, I am guessing that .380 ACP and .38 Spl probably benefit the most from these rounds provided there is any benefit to be had.

And finally like a lot of others, I wonder about the POI compared to more standard weight rounds. I say this with the understanding that at typical SD range it probably wouldn't matter much if at all.



My own conventional wisdom pretty much says "gimmick". But like I say - I own a box. So if it is a gimmick, they got a few bucks out of me at least.

 

[mcb]

I found this video, not the best production value but it might be of interest to some in this thread.



The Factory ARX vs Hornday in 450 Bushmaster

 

[herrwalther]

Do they have the same or similar POI as more traditional weight bullets?

Generally, no. Paul Herrel did some testing on light and fast for caliber ammo. Most of the lighter bullets had a slightly higher POI than standard weights. Although if you have a pistol with adjustable sights and shoot ARX (or similar light rounds) exclusively that is a different story.

 

[Fiv3r]

Do they have the same or similar POI as more traditional weight bullets?

As near as I can tell. Out of a 2" barrel with fixed sights, windage can be tricky for me to measure since I dont use a rest. I shoot mostly instinctively, so the ARX seems to "will" itself to the target better for me.

 

[TTv2]

No it was Underwood Lehigh 65gr Defender. I gave it a fair test and was ready to carry it if it performed good. I still carry Gold Dots.

As I said, I would give the 90gr (in 9mm) more hope so I'm not against this style of bullet if it will perform. I have not tested the 90gr yet.

The Lehigh Defenders are meant to penetrate less so they don't over penetrate, while the Penetrators are meant to over penetrate.

 

[Hartkopf]

The Lehigh Defenders are meant to penetrate less so they don't over penetrate, while the Penetrators are meant to over penetrate.

That is correct.

The 65gr +p version is advertised to penetrate 16" which is about what I found it to do in clear gel. The 124gr +p Gold Dot also goes about 16" in clear gel.

I did a different type of testing with modified gel in an effort to simulate connective tissue. The Gold Dot 124+p continued to go 16". The Lehigh Defender 65gr+p only went 12".

This was nothing scientific but my testing has been consistent and it shows medium expanding bonded hollow points to continue to penetrate well even if the test media is considerably tougher than plain gel. I believe the 65gr was just too light and the 90gr might be a better weight for the solid, fluted design.

 

[Hasaf]

As I normally choose to carry a .380, I was very interested by this calibre. In particular, I was interested in the claims of reduced wall penetration (which I see as a good thing).

The thing that eventually pushed me away from this ammunition was the limited availability. While I have several boxes stockpiled, and several hundred bullets for reloading, I discovered that I just cannot plan on it being available.

As a comment, it is a hard bullet to reload. It is a very hard bullet and unless it is set in the case perfectly, and the case in great condition, it will crush the case instead of seating the bullet.

 

[Zendude]

A secondary benefit of the ARX is far less muzzle flip. I’ve tried the Inceptor ARX in 380, 38, and 9mm and recoil is noticeably softer than standard weight rounds. The 380 and 9mm had no cycling issues, which surprised me. I thought the softer recoil would mean cycling problems, but they worked well.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

For those that like them and feel they present some sort of advantage, that's great. For me, I guess I just feel that in a world of HSTs and Gold Dots, the ARX ammo doesn't do anything I don't believe I already have covered.

 

[WheelGunMan]

As I normally choose to carry a .380, I was very interested by this calibre. In particular, I was interested in the claims of reduced wall penetration (which I see as a good thing).

The thing that eventually pushed me away from this ammunition was the limited availability. While I have several boxes stockpiled, and several hundred bullets for reloading, I discovered that I just cannot plan on it being available.

As a comment, it is a hard bullet to reload. It is a very hard bullet and unless it is set in the case perfectly, and the case in great condition, it will crush the case instead of seating the bullet.

Inceptor's site advises a slight taper crimp as opposed to a conventional crimp.