Why a semi-auto shotgun?

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Please tell me why we have semi-auto shotguns, especially the Browning A-5.

Compared to a pump there seems so much to go wrong, and after the first shot I might not want to chamber a second live round, and the autoloader gives me no choice.

I had a Mossberg 930 with the 4 round magazine, but it would not cycle with the reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 buck that I had bought in bulk.
 
Autos allow the shooter to get on target and fire a second round faster. Singles, doubles, and pumps ARE still manufactured and nobody has been forced to carry an auto.
 
Isn't that the same with ANY semi-auto pistol, rifle, or shotgun? So, why have semi-auto anything then, eh?


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Why a semi-auto shotgun?
Please tell me why we have semi-auto shotguns, especially the Browning A-5.

Compared to a pump there seems so much to go wrong, and after the first shot I might not want to chamber a second live round, and the autoloader gives me no choice.<SNIP>
 
Please tell me why we have semi-auto shotguns, especially the Browning A-5.

The Browning A-5:

Actually one of the simpler shotgun designs in production for close to 100 YEARS. And was also in the form of the Remington Model 11 and Savage 720. In short its service record speaks for itself.

I guess though you can be appeased because it is no longer in production.

I had a Mossberg 930 with the 4 round magazine, but it would not cycle with the reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 buck that I had bought in bulk.

That is an inhernet problem with semi autos. Lack of ability to shoot every single shotgun shell know to man. You cannot have your cake and eat it too in the world of shotguns. 3 1/2 inch guns generally will not shoot the lighter loads.

Autos are faster back on target since they cycle by themselves and if it is a gas operated design, have reduced felt recoil.
 
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Semi's make great target guns, waterfowling guns, upland guns, military guns, and HD/SD. They allow for a more accurate, and faster, second shot. After O/U's, they are THE preferred choice by many on the clay target scene.

If you feel uncomfortable with one, then I agree, you shouldn't handle something like that
 
I've got an SP-10 (10 gauge) Remington. I've shot 10's in fixed action. Quits being fun in a hurry. The SP is easy to shoot, even with turkey loads.

By their nature, autos need a certain amount of "oomph" to self cycle. Reduced power loads with an action that reduces felt recoil may not be the best combo
 
Isn't that the same with ANY semi-auto pistol, rifle, or shotgun? So, why have semi-auto anything then, eh?

I am very fond of semi-auto in both .40 pistol and .223 rifle, but my experience with the 930 soured me on semi-auto shotguns. Fortunately, nobody is forcing me to trade my Model 12 or my Model 37 for an A-5!

Am I correct that many fewer semi-auto shotguns were issued to our military compared to the pumps?
 
When you are shooting a pump, under what circumstances do you not want to rack that slide immediately after shooting?

And what on earth is wrong with an A-5? My oldest (step) son is inheriting one that belonged to his great-grandfather, FN imported, decoratively engraved, when it is handed down I will take it to the Browning factory to have it serviced.
 
And what on earth is wrong with an A-5? My oldest (step) son is inheriting one that belonged to his great-grandfather, FN imported, decoratively engraved, when it is handed down I will take it to the Browning factory to have it serviced.

Nothing wrong with the A-5 that I know of.

It just seemed to epitomize for me the early semi-auto and I was curious about the impetus for its introduction.

When you are shooting a pump, under what circumstances do you not want to rack that slide immediately after shooting?

When for whatever reason I do not want to chamber and fire another round.
 
Why not?

I like to have my options open, despite not owning a semi-anything. And there is one guy at my local range that shoots a semi-auto for trap because it easier on his shoulder after his surgery.
 
I have my dad's 1957 a-5 and this gun has functioned to perfection for over 40 years. I have used winchester and remington semi's and BPS's and 870's pumps for more years than I can remember. I can tell you that a semi is faster loading for the second and third shot ,but more important is a good semi will not bust your shoulder up like a pump. I love my pumps but a good semi will let you shoot more rounds with a smaller bruise at the end of the day.;)
 
The semi-autos are a touch quicker. From my limited experience with Benelli inertia systems, they do shoot softer too.

I love the simplicity of my 870, and when the Corps was still provided the ammo to practice with, I got pretty darn quick with the M590/M870, about as fast as any semi auto. That was years ago though, and there aren't a whole lot of places where I can practice like that with a pump here in the real world.

So, given an unlimited budget to buy, I'd probably opt for another Benelli M2. Maybe an M3 just to have the best of both worlds.
 
For doubles and other shooting sports, a semi-auto makes more sense due to the need for a quick follow-up. For defensive purposes, I too would vote for the pump action. Kind of like revolver -vs- semi...the pump is a bit simpler.

However, the Saiga semi-auto shotguns would likely work very well in a defensive situation but I am partial to the AK's action.


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I am very fond of semi-auto in both .40 pistol and .223 rifle, but my experience with the 930 soured me on semi-auto shotguns. Fortunately, nobody is forcing me to trade my Model 12 or my Model 37 for an A-5!

Am I correct that many fewer semi-auto shotguns were issued to our military compared to the pumps?
 
It's right there in the name. Auto 5.

5 shots. Have you ever hunted fast birds? Shooting a pump gun fast and accurately while swinging is a skill that some have developed, but not everyone wants to. I don't, for example. People wanted a gun that would fire 5 shots as quickly and conveniently, while swinging on a target, as a double gun will shoot 2.

Now, in many places, and for waterfowl, doves, etc., you can only use a 3-shot gun. With only 3 shots, I'd probably rather have two chokes instead, or a pump gun can help conserve ammo and encourages careful shots. But back when the Auto-5 was introduced, you could use it just about anywhere, legally, at full capacity.

Here in Idaho, we can hunt non-migratory upland birds without a plug. Last Fall, I was out hunting. Someone else flushed out a pheasant, shot and missed. It came barreling over some brush along some railroad tracks, and came into my view unexpectedly. I was in an awkward position amd surprised, but I swung on it and machine-gunned 4 rounds. I got the pheasant. Usually, after the first 2, you're wasting ammo. But not always.:)

That said, the Auto 5 is an awkward gun that gives "cover the bird with the barrel" a whole new meaning. But for a very long time, they were the only thing that worked worth a damn. When Remington finally designed a gas-operated gun that worked (the 1100), that was the beginning of the end of the Auto 5, in part because the 1100 points more like an O/U or double, and the shooter's view of the target is like an O/U. Every gun since then has been designed with a similar receiver shape, even when there's a temptation to put a big tube in the shooter's eye, as with a Benelli short-recoil gun. The Benellis have a sloped receiver rear to hide the tube.
 
I don't personally care for semis. Don't ask why. But A-5s have something cool about them. I feel it has something to do with that humpbacked receiver, the stock(Prince of Wales pattern, I believe) and just generally being a bit odd, compared to say, an 11-48/1100 etc. If I were ever to own any auto, it would be an Auto-5, no question.
 
Please tell me why we have semi-auto shotguns, especially the Browning A-5.

Compared to a pump there seems so much to go wrong, and after the first shot I might not want to chamber a second live round, and the autoloader gives me no choice.

I had a Mossberg 930 with the 4 round magazine, but it would not cycle with the reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 buck that I had bought in bulk.

8 pellet 00, actually any reduced power round, should be considered more of a specialty load, did your 930 work with standard buck? It could be that your gun needed breaking in with full power loads before it would run the light stuff.

Good semi autos are quite reliable if fed and cared for properly, I've actually seen and more problems with pumps than semis.
 
I cant stand the A5 personally, but that's another story :)

I shoot sporting clays mostly, and after getting rid of my Benelli M2 I've been using my 870, only, for all shooting. In fact I was using it some 6 months before I got rid of the M2, which was one of the reasons for it's demise.

Anyway.

I've learned that -

Pump action shotguns are fine for skeet, no big difference

Pump action shotguns are fine for hunting. Obviously.

Pump action shotguns are nigh on impossible for double trap. Also obviously :)

As far as sporting clays goes, some targets are fine, but some, like simultaneous going away pairs, are a bloody nightmare :) My sporting scores have dropped significantly lately, much to my annoyance, to the point where I'm thinking of getting another semi-auto, maybe a cheap ol' Rem 1100, just to sort things out.

I hate admitting I was wrong though :( :)
 
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