Why a semi-auto shotgun?

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after I fire I would actually have a problem not racking the slide just how i was taught to shoot one.

I actually don't see any problems with semi autos other than the lack of ability to shoot 8s. They do shoot 6s so you just have to watch what you buy.
 
I actually don't see any problems with semi autos other than the lack of ability to shoot 8s. They do shoot 6s so you just have to watch what you buy.
Huh???...Shot size has nothing to do with cycling the action of a Semi-Auto. Shot charge and Powder charge can but not the size of the BB's in the shell.
 
Huh???...Shot size has nothing to do with cycling the action of a Semi-Auto. Shot charge and Powder charge can but not the size of the BB's in the shell.
It is not impossible to reach that conclusion if you aren't knowledgeable about the differences between target and hunting loads. In a recoil-operated shotgun such as the Auto 5 it is quite possible a light trap load of #8 wouldn't function correctly while a heavier hunting load of #6 would work. This could lead to the misconception that shot size was responsible.
 
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I cant stand the A5 personally, but that's another story
I loathe the Auto 5 as well. But on a U.S. forum anything other than complete worship of the designs John Moses Browning typically draws a response from our American friends that is more rooted in patriotism than fact. ;)
 
OK, I never said the A5 is the end all be all of shotguns. Why do you think it is out of production? Yes, to make way for newer and better designs. All I say is that it was the first and longest lasting automatic shotgun and anyone wanting to compare it to a more modern introduction and start bashing it based on its performance to newer modern designs is a bunch of horse hockey.
 
In a recoil-operated shotgun such as the Auto 5 it is quite possible a light trap load of #8 wouldn't function correctly while a heavier hunting load of #6 would work.
Neither would they cycle in my benelli sbe1 that I no longer own. And for the record I'm not a fan of the Auto-5 either. Though, I must admit, I wouldn't mind owning a "Sweet Sixteen" just because I'm fond of the gauge.

This could lead to the misconception that shot size was responsible.
I understand how a novice could make that mistake. I only meant to clarify that shot size makes no difference.
 
AND if you're shooting an A/5 and don't want the second or subsequent shots just flip the cartridge lockout and it'l shoot one round and the bolt'l lock back open with no followup round chambered!

In over 60 years of using one (mine's a 1954 H series) the ownly broken part I ever heard of was a firing pin that a friends kid dry fired repeatedly.

AND yeah, John oughtta be "sainted"!
 
I don't personally care for semis. Don't ask why. But A-5s have something cool about them. I feel it has something to do with that humpbacked receiver, the stock(Prince of Wales pattern, I believe) and just generally being a bit odd, compared to say, an 11-48/1100 etc. If I were ever to own any auto, it would be an Auto-5, no question.

Well, if you're going to make your choice of auto based on looks and who designed it, never mind it handles like a house brick, then I can legitimately make the following observation. Disclaimer, I'm a semi toothless higher-educated redneck who likes his pump. The following opinion is not necessarily the opinion of the author.

"Pump shotguns are the tools of the redneck, the uneducated, the clueless masses, the toothless hillbilly. If you wanna show some class, you use an autoloader, that is if you don't shoot an O/U or even a SxS if you are of a moneyed class. If you use a pump, you simply are of the underclass, a serf, a "Deliverance" antagonist."

That line of thinking against pumps makes about as much sense to me as the quote. I own both pump and auto and even a couple of cheap lower class SxSs. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I like the auto for its light recoil. It's a rather light fore arm heavy balance gun and is quick, yet swings smoothly in a 28" barrel length. It handles superbly. I can't say that about the A5 I've hunted with. It didn't fit well, though, way too much drop in the stock for me and I tended to shoot low with it. I wasn't real impressed. Besides, A5s are one of the FUGLIEST shotguns ever created, even if God himself designed it. :rolleyes: But, different strokes for different folks. I prefer the lines of the modern gas operated Remington or Winchester or Browning shotguns. I also prefer how they point and shoot. I've yet to try one of the spaghetti guns, probably nice, just ain't interested.
 
Please tell me why we have semi-auto shotguns

As mentioned, reduced recoil is a big one. I like a pump as much as the next guy, but prefer shooting autos if I'm doing any sort of volume of shooting. I think my niece weighs about 55 pounds and she can shoot an 1100 20 gauge with a smile on her face. That smile goes away pretty quickly with a pump gun.

Also, ease of operation. You set your hand where you want it on the forearm and leave it there. There are thousands of experienced folks that pump the gun without thinking about it, because they have done it thousands of times, but for adult beginners pumping a gun can be an awkward motion, which is one more thing they have to think about. A semi takes this motion out of the equation while offering softer recoil.

Compared to a pump there seems so much to go wrong

I'd take a pump over an unreliable semi, that's for sure, but with thousands of trouble free rounds through most of our semis (a few of the 20s don't get shot as much) I trust them as much as a pump gun to work.

and after the first shot I might not want to chamber a second live round, and the autoloader gives me no choice.

Although I suppose I could unlearn it, at this point my left arm doesn't give me much choice with a pump either. Even on the last shell I have a bad habit of pumping after firing. Either way, I can't imagine a scenario where having a live shell in the chamber after pulling the trigger would be bad.

There are drawbacks to some semis. As you found out, yours would not feed all loads. Your pump gun likely would have handled them just fine. For range of shells, from bean bags to the stiffest loads, pumps are probably the way to go, but semis offer other advantages, and for these reasons people use them.
 
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simultaneous going away pairs

Exactly. These are the shots that replicate fast wingshooting.

Most shotguns are held with a loose front grip, with the fingers pointed in the general direction of the barrel. With a pump, you have to actually hold the foreend, and pump it. Neither the pumping action nor the grip one has to use is natural, or works well, for fast wingshooting.

A pump is good if you have a 3-shot legal limit for hunting, and you want to conserve ammo. It's not so good if you have 1/2 second to swing and hit quail before it dives behind the next boulder. I'm not talking about bobwhite hunting, I mean California, Gambel's, or Scaled Quail in the desert. Those things are fast, small, and flush at random.
 
I loathe the Auto 5 as well. But on a U.S. forum anything other than complete worship of the designs John Moses Browning typically draws a response from our American friends that is more rooted in patriotism than fact.

No more so than your ideals about Purdey, Boss, and Dickinson, let alone H&H...backatcha!
 
Unlike some of Browning's shotgun designs, handling fine British guns does suggest that the designers have actually used a shotgun before.

(And the major exception became a good gun in the hands only after JMB's patent expired and someone else got to monkey with it.)
 
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Ah, but those delicate ladies need servicing every season, and their "one-of-a-kind-hand-craftedness means they can't make the same thing twice to the same dimensions........:neener:
 
If a pump action shotgun fills your needs, go with it.

But there are plenty of competitive, hunting, and defensive applications where a semi-auto is either just fine, or far more effective than a pump gun.
 
Dont get me wrong folks, I'm no big fan of posh side-by-sides either, which is just as well, as I'll never have the chance to own one :(

I also know that a few respected posters on here arn't fans of the Rem 1100, but I doubt that will stop me buying one to try for sporting clays. The reasons are because (I hope) it will feel similar to me beloved 870, and the other reason I've already mentioned :)
 
Or possibly, When Deer or Turkey hunting.

Or when chukar hunting. The first time is for sport. Then it's for revenge. The hell if that thing's going to get away after you just ripped your ACL.

Or maybe if you're really, really drunk.
 
Why a semi?
Because this is America and I got more important things to do than waste my time pumping a shotgun.

In all seriousness though you are basing your opinion of auto-loaders on possibly the least refined of then all. Mossberg is fine but they should stick to pumps. My first shotgun was an 870 because it was cheap and well if you choose a 500 or an 870 based on price and reliability no one should argue with you. Green-winged teal were the ultimate decider for me to switch to an auto. When I switched I went with the Benelli M-2. It shoots clean, is reliable, and to date has cycled everything from light target to full turkey loads.
If I were you and wanted a semi I would wait and save some money. I would suggest going Italian, but wouldn't fault the choice to go with the anything from Browning or the winchester SX line
 
semi-autos are faster on target after a shot, and they require less human interface between shots. all you need to do is yank the trigger.

I had a mossberg 930 and sold it for the same reasons you did. I used the money to buy a remington 870 and a second barrel, and haven't looked back since. I prefer pumps simply because of the reliability.
 
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