Why all the Glock hate?

[Snake Eyes]

Lobotoboy-

I've fired several Glocks, a minimum of 100 rounds through each, and yes, that little dufas-hickey bothers my finger.

I don't do a lot of manual labor type work, so, yeah, my hands are pretty soft. But your mama likes 'em

Truthfully, I don't really hate Glocks, I just can't stand them. Two main reasons (Other than those stated above):

1--They aren't intuitive or comfortable for me to shoot, and I can't seem to hit where I want or group like I can with a Sig or a Colt.

2--This is a big one...I think the take-down procedure for Glocks is clumsy, difficult and dangerous. There is no other gun I know of that requires me to break the 4 cardinal rules to take it down. To take down a Glock, you MUST pull the trigger. And those two tiny little tabs that have to be pushed up with the slide out of battery just so....give me a freakin break! I bet I can field-, then detail-strip my 1911 before you get halfway there with your soulless Austrian bullet hose.

 

[Pilot]

Steve,

There are other guns beside Glock that are 100% reliable, accurate and durable. Sig, HK, BHP, my Springfield 1911A1 all come to mind. My 1941 Mauser P-08 has never even hi-cupped. Glocks do not corner the market on good gun characteristics. They are an adequate tool, no more. There are others that do the same thing but have better triggers, are more accurate and feel better in the hand, looks not withstanding. However it is a personal choice. You like Glocks. That's great. Enjoy!

 

[EVIL5LITER]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all guns. I'm not a fan of H&K's because of many of the reasons you guys don't like Glocks (grip, ergonomics, etc.). I like 1911's, I like Sig's, I like Walther's, etc.

However, out of all those guns you listed, how many fit the criteria I needed, and can be had for under $500?

Come to think of it, can ANY of those be had for under $500, even used?

 

[LeonCarr]

The reasons people hate Glocks (Nomex flame suit on)

1. People hate it when a gun that costs $500 brand new is more reliable than their $3000 custom built 1911, and runs out of the box on any kind of ammo without having to have anything tuned or adjusted.

2. People hate it when a Glock is tortured tested by every means possible, including dropping from a helicopter and being thrown up against a cinder block wall repeatedly with a spring loaded skeet thrower, and it still runs.

3. Gunsmiths hate the Glock because they won't make any money off of it, because the average person can do most if not all of the trigger and sight work at his kitchen table with a minimum of tools and labor.

4. People hate the Glock because they can never practice live fire malfunction drills like they do on a regular basis with the 1911.

5. Range officers hate the Glock because it gives them no job security, because when a department is equipped with the Glock they get to leave early because everybody qualified with no malfunctions. They also hate the Glock because you can give the average rookie a Glock and about five minutes of instruction and they will shoot a passing score.

I will always own at least one Glock, one AK and one Remington 870, because they are all virtually 100% reliable. A gun you trust your life to has to run, period.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[Pilot]

"Come to think of it, can ANY of those be had for under $500, even used?"

Damn good point. CZ, Ruger come to mind for a new, reliable semi. I just bought a used Sig 228 for under $400. I gotta tell ya, I was somewhat releived when my wife chose a $475 Glock over a $750 Sig or HK. I'd still rather have my CZ-75, but agree, bang for the buck, Glocks are a good alternative. However, my life isn't price sensitive.

 

[EVIL5LITER]

I was lmao when I saw your wife wanted one of the plastic fantastics....

[DarthVader]Come to the darkside.... feel the power brewing within you...[/DarthVader]

 

[medmo]

The only firearm cult larger than those that pray at the 1911 Temples are those who make sacrifices to the Glock God. I think a lot of people hate Glocks because of the folks who are SO infatuated with them, (they have the bumper sticker, tattoo, ball cap, t-shirt, etc.). Glocks are not perfect, (as all guns are not perfect...), but mention that in front of any of those folks and you better be ready to step outside. I enjoy the Glocks that I have and think that they are no worse nor better than most of the other brands in the collection.

BTW - Speak any blasphemy amongst the 1911 Templars and your feet better be moving faster than your tongue.....

LeonCarr, I'm guessing that you already have the tattoo..... I'm sorry that you are so "hypmotized" by marketing magic. Yes, one can make a Glock fail as easily as most pistols.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Who says Glocks don't have soul I belive their the perfered weapon of Rappers and Gangbangers ,seems like a lot of soul to me.

 

[Pilot]

"I was lmao when I saw your wife wanted one of the plastic fantastics"

Yeah me too.

 

[Outbacker]

Once you start down the Dark Path, forever will it consume your destiny. - Yoda

1) I don't like plastic guns. ("I do not like them, Sam I am.")
2) I don't like paying for three internal "safeties" which are all disabled upon pressing on trigger. Not exactly a safety, IMHO.
3) I don't like having to break all 4 rules just to field strip my gun.
4) Glock's triggers suck. They just suck, they just suck, they just SUCK.
5) Did I mention their sucky triggers?
6) They are ugly as sin and offer virtually no options regarding finishes, etc.
7) Their factory sights suck.
8) Most of the ND's I've seen or heard about were with Glocks. See the "I'm the only one in this room professional enough..." thread for a first hand look at a Glock owner in action.

Glock's fifteen minutes are OVER. A sizeable number of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies have been migrating away from the plastic guns to real guns made by Sig, HK, and Beretta.

 

[dsk]

Glocks are very good guns. They are not perfect, but they get the job done. I think the main reason why there is so much hate directed at Glocks is the fact that Glock lovers are often so arrogant. 1911 lovers are bad enough, but sheesh! I look at Glocks, not as the new king of handguns, but rather the 21st Century .38 Special. It is cheap, simple to use, and reliable, but in no way sophisticated nor anything special. If your gun is merely a tool for the job and nothing more it's ideal.

 

[FireStar_M40]

My Biggest Problem With Glock's..

I totally agree with both "Dev_Null" and "OutBacker".

My biggest problem with Glock is "NO EXTERNAL SAFETY". I've been carrying/shooting handguns (mostly semi-auto's) for over 40 years.. and am use to having a external safety.

Glock, on the otherhand, places their safety as a internal part of the trigger. If you look at what each does, ie: "Trigger" used to fire weapon.. and "Safety" used to make weapon NOT fire, why would a gun manufacturer want to place both together as one? That makes as much sense as combining both the "Brake" and "Accelerator" together on a car.

That's my take on it.

FireStar_M40

 

[PaleRyder]

Maybe it's because Glocks are the supermarket firearm of choice right now. Every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to have a gun seems to be getting Glocks.
I don't hate them, but I think too many casual users who don't take the time to learn proper firearms handling and safety have them. Even cops seem to be shooting themselves more in accidents involving Glocks than other guns.

And, I don't like handguns other than revolvers that don't have at least a decocker on them. I prefer cocked and locked handguns, or Beretta's safety system.

There is also some arrogance there with Glock owners. I'll agree to that. I always get comments about my concern about no safety on them.
The cop who shoots himself in the school video might not have done that if he were carrying a Beretta or a Browning. The cop here in Indy who had his Glock taken away and was killed with it might have been able to do something had he been carrying a gun with a safety which would have taken the perp a few moments to figure out. A gun with no external hammer that can be seen and no safety to keep someone from pulling the trigger is just not a good idea, IMO.

 

[donkee]

It's not necessarily a hate thing, it's just that those who have shot a CZ don't consider anything else!

But seriously, having been bitten by the metalworking bug years ago, some of us just don't think anything that isn't steel is going to last. Shot XDs, shot Glocks, etc, but still love the feel of steel, especially holstered in leather...............

 

[LeonCarr]

Hey Medmo,

I used my tattoo money to buy a Glock .

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[Krag]

1911aholics are:
1. Jealous
2. Luddites
3. Traditionalists

Glockheads are:
1. They think they're "perfect"
2. Plastic Fantastic
3. The wave of the future

Both are right - and both are wrong.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Donkee, buying a CZ is what made a Glock fanatic out of me. I have a G21 and decided to get a "quality" metal gun for my 9mm. Perhaps I will feel differently after I get the crappy trigger fixed, but right now I'm kicking myself for not getting a Glock 34.

Medmo wrote:

Yes, one can make a Glock fail as easily as most pistols.

Medmo, you really have to check out this link:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=15432

Watch the videos and then try to claim that other pistols fail as easily as Glocks.

Snake Eyes, you might want to see your doctor real quick.

 

[Bill B.]

I don't hate em but I don't shoot them as well as some of the other pistols available so I don't own one either. I will have to say this for the Glock they are extremely reliable and at self defense distance I can think of nothing that would work better. A friend has a tuned G17 that I will have to say he shoots like a bullseye pistol. Comes down to personal preference .......... .

 

[Zach S]

I hate 'em. The plastic sights suck. The finger grooves suck. The grip angle sucks. The trigger sucks. Not to mention, they're ugly and have no soul.

However, Glocks work. Not for me, but they do work. I've fired several, owned one, and will probably own another (the main reason I want one is for the 33 round mags, lol). Even though the plastic sights, finger grooves, grip angle and trigger suck, along with being ugly and having no soul, they are fine handguns and I wouldnt turn someone away from one, or be the 1911 snob that so many Glock owners are familiar with.

 

[EVIL5LITER]

I think the reason you see so many AD's with cops with Glocks is because it's Cops with Glocks. If cops carried H&K's, you'd see a ton of AD's with those.

The safety system works really well. Keep your ????ing finger off the trigger and you won't have a problem.

 

[GEM]

This must be a failure of capitalism. The communists have secretely controlled the market place. Why when I took LFI-1, a large majority of guns were Glocks. At IDPA matches, the SSP guns are mostly Glocks. At an OPS class, lots of Glocks. Thus, most people must be dupes of evil forces.

The government must step in and force people to buy other guns. Oh, never mind.

 

[Stinkyshoe]

Either one is fine

Glock or 1911...they are both great. It depends on what you want. I think can justify purchasing a used glock for $400 and carrying it without worry than having a similar 1911 interms of accuracy of reliability for $800(arbitrary figures I realize, but in general glocks are cheaper and equally as good as a more costly 1911)

 

[AQUINAS]

The issues with Glocks that I personally have are as follows.

1. They were, years ago, evaluated for duty carry by CHP, one of the reasons they were not accepted is that a primed case was placed in the chamber of a Glock, the pistol was placed in a holster on a duty belt that was hung over a chair. The holster was then rapped with a baton and the Glock went off.

2. I have seen a barrel failure (catastrophic malfunction) on a S&W 4586 where the barrel was blown out the front of the gun, downrange about 15 yards. The officer was fine. The problem was probably a squib load. The all steel construction of the gun was what minimized injury to the officer. A plastic gun frame would have had "issues" I believe.

3. On the positive, I have found many officers like the ergonomics of the pistol. I personally like the Glock 22 and shoot it well, although I will not own a polymer frame gun.

4. I am a firm believer however that if you like a particular design of pistol and shoot it well, fully aware of its shortcomings, you should carry what you like, its your life.

 

[Island Beretta]

I guess when you claim 'Perfection' you set yourself up for a hard look..this hard look reveals flaws- and some people say 'hahaaa, gotcha' and some people say 'other guns have flaws too' and some people say 'that's not a flaw'..

 

[ABBOBERG]

Am I missing something here? All this talk about a Glock being immersed in mud and none of it getting in the barrel? I thought that even a Glock would go kaboom if it got mud in the barrel. I have a friend who took the Glock factory tour and watched the propaganda video at the beginning. Apparantly they show a glock getting run over by a tank, then a soldier plucks the gun out of the tread imprint in the mud and fires it! So mud in the barrel must not be an issue!