Why all the Kimber hate????

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Its all in the name...
Colt...
Smith&Wesson...
Springfield...
Ruger...
Dan Wesson...
Remington...
Korth...
RIA...
ATI...
All manly kind of names....
Then theres...
Kimber...
Very close to Kimberly...
Sounds like the stray cat that showed up and the kids named it...:confused:
 
Its all in the name...
Colt...
Smith&Wesson...
Springfield...
Ruger...
Dan Wesson...
Remington...
Korth...
RIA...
ATI...
All manly kind of names....
Then theres...
Kimber...
Very close to Kimberly...
Sounds like the stray cat that showed up and the kids named it...:confused:
I dated a Kimber Lee when I was in college, she was a cutie. Even today I kind of like that name combo. (A family name, she wasn’t named after the gun company.)

I only have two Kimber 1911’s, both are rather recent purchases.

A Stainless Target II 9mm

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And an Ultra Carry II 9mm.

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To date they have been great guns. No hiccups and the full sized Target II is accurate as heck. (30 shots @ 12 yards, no rest.)

I also have a Micro 9. Not a 1911, but a SA auto that is sort of like a 1911. Another 9mm gun that has been very reliable and shootable in my hands.


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I didn’t own one back in the years when the company was in financial trouble so I have no experience with guns of that era. The ones I have shot haven’t disappointed me (yet?). They aren’t Ed Browns or Les Baer’s, but neither are my Ruger or 3 Springfield 1911’s, so I don’t mind. :)

Stay safe.
 
OK, my 2¢ worth. I've never understood all the Kimber hate. Perhaps for the same reason so many seem to hate the United States, i.e., because like the United States, Kimber has been so successful? I've owned various types of 1911 pistols since mid '60s. These would include military surplus, along with Colts, Wilsons, RRAs, Baers, Dan Wessons, a S&W, STIs, a Clark Colt, and yes; Kimbers. Over the past couple decades, I've owned a half dozen of the much maligned Kimbers. Other's experience may differ, but my Kimbers were good guns.

And FWIW, I've never needed to send a Kimber back to the factory for work. Wish I could say the same of some of the other marques mentioned...

PS, Maybe I should have added that none of my Kimbers had the external extractor that was reported to be problematic, and was later discontinued by Kimber.
 
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"Why all the Kimber hate????"

Because some people have had very different experiences than you have, including myself. But those opinions and experiences are no more or less valid than your own. Buy what you like and ignore haters.
 
All my 1911’s are high end, so I don’t buy any with MIM. However, most companies that use it extensively like Kimber does don’t fancy up their guns and slap big price tags on them.

Do you see Dan Wesson doing that? No, they put the value into quality components.

Kimbers are for 1911 amateurs, in my opinion



Remove the word Kimber and insert Taurus and all these post's would be the same responses.Maybe I'll stay away from both.

I have had 7 1911's in my time.

My first, a stainless Colt Government, was a typical '80's era Colt... that is to say, it was an ill-fitted piece of junk. Oh, it was pretty, and that prancing pony gave me back what I paid for it a few years later. Colt's QC has been off and on over the years, and they have pulled a few stupids, too, yet you don't see general Colt Hate like you do Kimber.

My second was a stainless Springfield Government. It wasn't a bad pistol, it was fitted pretty well even if the finish was pretty crude. It had a nasty habit of flinging the brass back at your head, however... very likely a bent extractor. I sold it to my brother, who still has it.

My third was my Kimber Pro Eclipse II... stainless 4". I paid $1100 for it, more money than I had ever spent on a firearm in my life... but it was worth every penny. Yes, it has a plastic MSH, and likely MIM parts in it... but in over 20 years of service, it has been flawless. I guess if I had to complain about something... the night sights are finally dead. Oh, the horror, Kimber!

Fourth was a Kimber Pro Carry (not a II...) alloy 4". Just like the Eclipse, it has been 100% except for a loose safety plunger tube, easily fixed.

My 5th and 6th pistols were Taurus PT1911's... plain Jane parked Government models. Both had issues... one shot so far left it was uncorrectable, even after swapping parts between the 2 pistols, and the second one had soft slide metal (I don't think it was heat-treated correctly) and the rear of the slide peened. Each of those was $400... and I thought... how can you go wrong with a $400 pistol? Well, they figured out a way.

7th 1911 was a used, Bubba'd up Kimber Custom II. A little work on it, and it is 100% now, too.

Soooo... all 3 of my Kimbers have been 100% (minus the loose plunger tube on the Carry,) and I've had problems with pistols from Colt, Springfield, and Taurus. The inclusion of MIM parts has had NO bearing on the serviceability of my Kimbers, but poor assembly and fitting has, as well as poorly made FORGED parts.

Indeed, your opinion...

Yes, this is just my anecdotal, first-hand experiences with my 7 pistols. EVERY manufacturer has kicked out a lemon... I always say that. The argument over forged vs cast vs MIM will go on forever as well. YMMV, need not be present to win, do not fold, bend, spindle, or mutilate.
 
To me Kimber is the anti-Dan Wesson. By that I mean, Dan Wesson puts out pretty simple-looking guns and has relatively few models being made at any time. But they only use high-quality base parts and they machine them to very close tolerances and then hand-finish the rest.

Kimber goes the opposite way and has dozens and dozens of different models with a lot of fancy features but using lower-quality base parts and skipping most or all of the hand finishing.

I am actually not dinging Kimber for this, because there's room in the market (clearly, judging by sales), for people who want some of those features Kimber provides at the <$1,200 price point but don't want to pay the price for very high quality guns that basically starts with Dan Wesson as the entry level and goes up through the small custom shops, your Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, etc., and goes through the bespoke custom guns in the $15,000 range. And they are either not knowledgeable about or don't care about the parts quality as long as the gun actually works, which, it seems, after a bad QC period, they do.

And gun owners can be some of the most unforgiving Pharasees in the world: holding grudges for 20, 30 years or longer....

I've actually left all but two gun forums because gun people are so aggravating.

Most of those that use MIM don’t charge wgat Kimber tries to charge for their gaudy garbage

Well... Colt, though.
 
A buddy has a Kimber Custom Covert II that has a very odd trigger. It sort of hangs up in a weird way. Very difficult to put into words. It's as if it was very poorly fitted and was contacting other parts inside of the trigger group that it shouldn't be contacting. We broke it down and couldn't found anything that seemed out of the ordinary. Cleaned it up and it still has the issue. That's my only experience with a Kimber. Other than the trigger issue it seems nice.
 
I had one of the external extractor models , the compact ll . It was my first 1911 . Out of the box , before firing it , it would not function . Being my first 1911 it took me a little while to figure it out . The hole for the takedown tool on the guild rod had a big burr on it from drilling the hole . It would hold the recoil spring back like the tool was inserted . I sanded that burr off and never had another problem with it . I shot it very accurately . I sold it because I wanted the traditional look of the internal extractor . IMO , their customer service was terrible and a reason for a lot of the hate .
 
A buddy has a Kimber Custom Covert II that has a very odd trigger. It sort of hangs up in a weird way.

One of my Taurus PT1911's did that... you could actually feel the trigger dragging on the grip safety, and you had to have that grip smashed into the frame to actuate the trigger. Obviously, something was not fitted properly.
 
The irony of this photo is that Kimber doesn't have a "custom shop".
All of their guns are off-the-shelf.

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For about what 200 bucks, I'll gladly pay that for a dan wesson heritage. The difference in quality is there, one doesn't even need to know jack crap about 1911s and can the tell difference.
 
I dated a Kimber Lee when I was in college, she was a cutie. Even today I kind of like that name combo. (A family name, she wasn’t named after the gun company.)

I only have two Kimber 1911’s, both are rather recent purchases.

A Stainless Target II 9mm

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And an Ultra Carry II 9mm.

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To date they have been great guns. No hiccups and the full sized Target II is accurate as heck. (30 shots @ 12 yards, no rest.)

I also have a Micro 9. Not a 1911, but a SA auto that is sort of like a 1911. Another 9mm gun that has been very reliable and shootable in my hands.


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I didn’t own one back in the years when the company was in financial trouble so I have no experience with guns of that era. The ones I have shot haven’t disappointed me (yet?). They aren’t Ed Browns or Les Baer’s, but neither are my Ruger or 3 Springfield 1911’s, so I don’t mind. :)

Stay safe.
Nice Kimberly's...:neener:
 
To me Kimber is the anti-Dan Wesson. By that I mean, Dan Wesson puts out pretty simple-looking guns and has relatively few models being made at any time. But they only use high-quality base parts and they machine them to very close tolerances and then hand-finish the rest.

Kimber goes the opposite way and has dozens and dozens of different models with a lot of fancy features but using lower-quality base parts and skipping most or all of the hand finishing.

I am actually not dinging Kimber for this, because there's room in the market (clearly, judging by sales), for people who want some of those features Kimber provides at the <$1,200 price point but don't want to pay the price for very high quality guns that basically starts with Dan Wesson as the entry level and goes up through the small custom shops, your Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, etc., and goes through the bespoke custom guns in the $15,000 range. And they are either not knowledgeable about or don't care about the parts quality as long as the gun actually works, which, it seems, after a bad QC period, they do.



I've actually left all but two gun forums because gun people are so aggravating.



Well... Colt, though.

Yes, DW does it right.

Kimbers are for those who like style over substance. I’ve been around 1911’s for decades and also know a lot of people with extensive 1911 experience.

We just laugh at Kimber. It’s like amateur hour
 
The irony of this photo is that Kimber doesn't have a "custom shop".
All of their guns are off-the-shelf.

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Yes, the company is a joke.

Like I said, they’re for people who don’t know 1911’s and don’t know the difference between quality and glitter
 
Yes, the company is a joke.

Like I said, they’re for people who don’t know 1911’s and don’t know the difference between quality and glitter
As I've noted before while quoting the immortal words of the legendary Patrick Swayze (as "Dalton") in the classic motion picture, Road House:
"Opinions vary." (A lot of the hate, hard to believe, I know, comes from folks that have never owned a single Kimber, yet believe everything on the internet.)

Recently, having gone back through my records, photos and logs, I discovered that I've owned somewhat north of thirty (that's 30) 1911 pistols since 1980 (I'd thought it be only around 25). Including a sprinkling (3) of "high-end" semi-customs by certain makers), but mostly a lot of Colts, Springfield Armory, Dan Wesson and -- four Kimbers. The Kimbers I've owned were all legit pistols. I kept the Custom TLE-II and the CDP Pro. Traded off an Eclipse and a Tactical Pro. Nary an issue with any of 'em, and the TLE-II remains a go-to in the stable (one 1911 that I use with new shooters) and the CDP Pro is a nice carry pistol.

To the OP, these things all go in cycles. When the Clackamas Kimbers hit the market, they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. When the company put external extractors on its 1911s, the sky was falling. Then the customer service circled the drain for a year or so and the internet wrote the company off. Colt made a great 1911, until it didn't (coincidentally around the start of internet firearms forums and a highly publicized bankruptcy). Then Springfield Armory started marking "Brazil" on its pistols, and the internet discover both Kimber and SA used -- gasp -- MIM parts. Dan Wesson was the next big thing until a handful of people noticed that stainless steel parts rubbing on each other cause galling. Now SA is back in good graces, mostly, Colt is looking up (but people still think CZ is why), Kimber's revolver is receiving lots of love, DW is also owned by CZ, but has the biggest crowd of 1911 fanboys, mostly because it's still the new kid on the block and we can't complain about all the 1911 makers. The STI/Staccato is the darling of the tactical crowd now (as you see in this thread and a couple others), so the truth is somewhere in between, probably.

Gratuitous Kimber pic from a few years back (more than just a pretty face -- has been 100% reliable and accurate with a sweet trigger).
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I own several Kimber's...of which are 1 Micro .380, 2 Micro 9's and a 1911 Ultra II Carry. All have been fautless, dependable firearms. My favorite out of all of them is my Micro 9 Rapide Black Ice..I like the way it feels in my hand, the way it looks and its concealability. I have found that a lot of prejudice against a particular firearm is based on hearsay and conjecture and not actual ownership.
 
Never had a problem with the Warrior I own. A lot of LE buddies carry Kimber and seem happy.

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I posted about my minor Kimber problem out of the box . I will add this since someone mentioned Dan Wesson as doing it right . I have a Dan Wesson Pointman 9 that I bought brand new . I didn’t make it through the first range trip with it when it jammed the slide so tight that it wouldn’t move and not fully closing . I had to take it home like that with a live round in it , cocked and not locked . I was able to remove the round when I got home . Also before that happened the slide was not locking open all of the time on a empty magazine . I figured both problems were magazine related . I called Customer service . I explained my problem and they wanted me to return the pistol to them . They repaired it and got it back to me in 2 weeks . The notes said , polish the feed ramp and replace magazine spring . I haven’t had a problem with it since . They had good customer service a big difference from Kimber . But still 2 companies , 1 highly recommended as good and the other not so good , but still had a factory out of the box problem with both .
 
I’ve owned 3, still have one and I think they are fine if you stay under $1000 with them. Mine all mostly worked, we’re accurate and had pretty nice triggers.

As noted, when you start getting to Dan Wesson prices on their fancy models, DW they are not, not even close. Even my Warrior, which is fine, cost the same at the time as a Springfield TRP which is, IMO, a much better made gun.

So I think a lot of Kimber is flash and not as much substance but typically a fine gun on the base models, and they do really look nice.

I will say 1 mag with the gun is stupid, and 2/3 of mine came with a non functional garbage mag that wouldn’t run. Luckily I was already in the “toss the mag it came with in a box and use a Wilson or CMC” point of 1911 ownership by then.
 
As I've noted before while quoting the immortal words of the legendary Patrick Swayze (as "Dalton") in the classic motion picture, Road House:
"Opinions vary." (A lot of the hate, hard to believe, I know, comes from folks that have never owned a single Kimber, yet believe everything on the internet.)

Recently, having gone back through my records, photos and logs, I discovered that I've owned somewhat north of thirty (that's 30) 1911 pistols since 1980 (I'd thought it be only around 25). Including a sprinkling (3) of "high-end" semi-customs by certain makers), but mostly a lot of Colts, Springfield Armory, Dan Wesson and -- four Kimbers. The Kimbers I've owned were all legit pistols. I kept the Custom TLE-II and the CDP Pro. Traded off an Eclipse and a Tactical Pro. Nary an issue with any of 'em, and the TLE-II remains a go-to in the stable (one 1911 that I use with new shooters) and the CDP Pro is a nice carry pistol.

To the OP, these things all go in cycles. When the Clackamas Kimbers hit the market, they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. When the company put external extractors on its 1911s, the sky was falling. Then the customer service circled the drain for a year or so and the internet wrote the company off. Colt made a great 1911, until it didn't (coincidentally around the start of internet firearms forums and a highly publicized bankruptcy). Then Springfield Armory started marking "Brazil" on its pistols, and the internet discover both Kimber and SA used -- gasp -- MIM parts. Dan Wesson was the next big thing until a handful of people noticed that stainless steel parts rubbing on each other cause galling. Now SA is back in good graces, mostly, Colt is looking up (but people still think CZ is why), Kimber's revolver is receiving lots of love, DW is also owned by CZ, but has the biggest crowd of 1911 fanboys, mostly because it's still the new kid on the block and we can't complain about all the 1911 makers. The STI/Staccato is the darling of the tactical crowd now (as you see in this thread and a couple others), so the truth is somewhere in between, probably.

Gratuitous Kimber pic from a few years back (more than just a pretty face -- has been 100% reliable and accurate with a sweet trigger).
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Nice post ^^^^^^^ The DW fanboy comment made me chuckle as I am one of them :)
IMO Kimber makes a fine, slightly overpriced, 1911. So do most other manufacturers.
 
I stopped reading your post at "plastic main spring housing".

Kimber is a $600-750 pistol. I dont care what they're listed as.

Their basic models are the best ones. Dont pay extra for amateur looking cuts and obsolete sights.
 
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I stopped reading your post at "plastic main spring housing".

Kimber is a $600-750 pistol. I dont care what they're listed as.

Their basic models are the best ones. Dont pay extra for amateur looking cuts and obsolete sights.

Colt does that too. Or at least did on the Rail Gun I looked at years back
 
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