Why are liberals against the second amendment?

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Extreme liberals are against any right that doesn't support their cause or they can't control. For example, freedom of speech is okay for anything they say but they want to control anything that opposes them. That's one of the reasons they want a "fairness doctrine" in talk radio. Liberal talk radio is a loser, no listeners ergo no sponsors. Like them or not, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn beck, Sean hannity, Mark Levin, and others have big audiences, big sponsors, and make big money. Free speech to liberals means liberal free speech.

It's no different with guns. You owning a gun is something that scares them because of their desire to control everything in your life.

It's all just part of the liberals "we know better than you how you should live your life" attitude.
 
...still plenty of declaiming about the evils of positions not actually held by "liberals" or antis.

I dare_no, I double dog dare_one of you to explain without hyperbole or sarcasm what you believe the core beliefs of liberals/antis to be and why they have them. Do not, in the same post, go into why you believe the liberals are wrong or evil. You've already had plenty of opportunity for that and will have again. Right now, I'm just interested in finding out exactly what it is that you believe you are against.
 
...still plenty of declaiming about the evils of positions not actually held by "liberals" or antis.

I dare_no, I double dog dare_one of you to explain without hyperbole or sarcasm what you believe the core beliefs of liberals/antis to be and why they have them. Do not, in the same post, go into why you believe the liberals are wrong or evil. You've already had plenty of opportunity for that and will have again. Right now, I'm just interested in finding out exactly what it is that you believe you are against.
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I AM a liberal, and not a "classical liberal" either.

Anti-gunners have a variety of motivations, two of the foremost being irrational fear of firearms and irrational fear of particular minorities. Not infrequently, they combine the two into an irrational fear of particular minorities possessing firearms.

The things that I've personally heard anti-gun supposed "liberals" say or seen them post in computer discussion fora wouldn't be at all out of place in an Aryan Nations compound in Idaho. And they'll tell you that it's OK for them to say these racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic things BECAUSE they're "liberals".
 
It is very ironic to me these days that liberals really want to limit just about every thing you do. And on the flip side, the pubs are falling in that same mold in recent years. We are all screwed, maybe vote Libertarian?
 
In alot of my debates with anti gun liberals they usually supported "hunting guns" and said that those that think they need other types of guns are paranoid and tend to live in fear and then said that it is sad that people live their lives in fear.

Don't agree with that but that is what I have been told by the unturnable anti's.Alot of "liberals" I have debated who do believe in alot of DNC platform did not support overwhelming gun control even those that outright call themselves socialists.They vote DNC more for other social and economic issues with health care as a big issue for them lately.
 
Failure mark, Deanimator. The assignment was to explain the anti side of the debate, not to comment on their mental hygiene. Try again. When you are finished, an anti should be able to read your post and say "Deanimator understands what I believe.". Note that understanding it doesn't mean you agree with it.
 
In alot of my debates with anti gun liberals they usually supported "hunting guns" and said that those that think they need other types of guns are paranoid and tend to live in fear and then said that it is sad that people live their lives in fear.
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I always ask them whether they're glad that people like the six women in the Tinley Park, Illinois Lane Bryant store weren't "paranoid" and were unarmed when they were shot.

I also ask them since they believe people should only carry guns when they know they're going to need them, how do you acquire this ability to predict the future.
 
Failure mark, Deanimator. The assignment was to explain the anti side of the debate, not to comment on their mental hygiene. Try again. When you are finished, an anti should be able to read your post and say "Deanimator understands what I believe.". Note that understanding it doesn't mean you agree with it.
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Antis frequently lie about their motivations. I have no duty to be complicit in the liar's lie.

You fail the gullibility test.
 
hello Joe,

In answer to your query; the urban antis' core belief is the way it is due to their lack of exposure to responsible firearm ownership. They're a generation raised outside of the experiences most shooters take for granted. Rational or not, people fear what they're unfamiliar with.
In their defense; I've seen many change their stances once exposed to that which they've judged without first hand experience.

I hope that makes sense to you. I currently live among many urban antis and am always proud to win them over one range visit at a time.
 
I don't agree with the antis, but I understand what it is, exactly, with which I disagree. So far, Deanimator, all you've told me is that you think antis are irrational liars. That is on a par with the drivel one reads about gun owners being paranoid and/or suffering from feelings of sexual inadequacy.
 
I dare_no, I double dog dare_one of you to explain without hyperbole or sarcasm what you believe the core beliefs of liberals/antis to be and why they have them.
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Dear Joe,

You are off track here. The original post asks for opinions as to why liberals are against the second amendment.

But to answer your post: Your core values are being stated by the politicians that you've help elect - I don't need to waste my time explaining them to you. The reason you believe them is because you choose to bury your head in the sand and refuse to analytically listen to what those politicians are saying. Really listen to the House speaker sometime. This is one of the leaders of the liberal cause.
 
there seems to be an interwinding of allowing and enabling.

Freedom allows you to tell the boss off, quit your job, and never take another one.

Enabling seems to be the attitude that if a person doesn't have a job, the government should provide them food and housing. Without .gov to provide it, the freedom to quit your job is supposedly not there.

This is wrongheaded thinking. The freedom is still there, there are just non-government enforced consequences.

A perfect example of this is art. Both conservatives and liberals tend to view art as something a person should be free of constraints and able to produce. However, the Liberals often take this one step to far with the attitude that the Government needs to feed and shelter the artist so the artist is 'free' to do art. The conservative says 'you can paint nudie pictures, hate speech, and negative comments on the government...but you do it on your own dime, that is freedom!.'

I often hear liberals talk about you NEED to give up "Freedom A" so that we can all have 'False Freedom B"

This can be giving up 30% of your income so we can all have healthcare, national parks, and police protection. (Often cited as 'freedom to live well, freedom to have undeveloped land, freedom to walk out at night without the fear of getting mugged')

Again, these aren't real freedoms, they are desires. Government doesn't PROVIDE freedom. The only angle government has on freedom is to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY. Your freedom is up to you. The negative consequences of your freedom are up to you as well.

You are free to quit your job, however, that may mean you beg for money or dumpster dive, or go try and live off the land. Those choices suck enough that most people stay employed. That is entirely different than government mandating everyone work.

Same with art. You want to paint pictures of people peeing on the american flag. Sure, whatever. Just don't expect me to pay for it. You get a job, pay the rent, food, etc and paint on the weekends.
 
Actually, donato, I'm a libertarian. I haven't much use for either our country's liberals or conservatives. Both groups have some ideas that I find odious. However, only opinions and judgements made in understanding can be taken seriously. If a man does not understand something, his opinion on that matter is valueless.
Accordingly, I make an effort to understand what the liberals and conservatives actually believe.
A lot of ranting, raving, and railing gets done by both sides about positions that are only strawmen. In the end, then both sides go away smugly congratulating themselves on being smarter than and morally superior to the other side. It's always easier to beat down imaginary irrational liars or sexually disfunctional paranoids in a debate than it is to address actual beliefs held by real people.
 
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So far, Deanimator, all you've told me is that you think antis are irrational liars. That is on a par with the drivel one reads about gun owners being paranoid and/or suffering from feelings of sexual inadequacy.
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Dear Joe,

Deanimator is wrong in calling "them" irrational liars. They are rational liars - they know exactly what they are doing when they lie.

Your relating this to drivel is a lack of understanding on your part as to just how relevant Deanimator's statement is.

Just to clear something up on an old post/thread. Did you vote for Gov. Randell?
 
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Which thread are you talking about? Regardless, no, I did not vote for Ed Rendell. The governor of Philadelphia is not a favorite of mine. It is a tribute to 2A activists in PA that the state remains gun friendly despite the anti stance of the Philadelphia machine.
 
I don't agree with the antis, but I understand what it is, exactly, with which I disagree.
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So do I. I've been dealing with them for more than twenty years.

So far, Deanimator, all you've told me is that you think antis are irrational liars.
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I've told you they've DEMONSTRATED themselves to be liars and bigots, sometimes irrational liars and bigots, sometimes rational.

When a check forger says to you, "I'm not a check forger", do you then accept a check from him as payment? I don't.
 
All Democrats are not Liberals. All Republicans are not Conservatives

I see many attempts to place general labels on political philosophies. I don't think this is possible.

For one, I consider myself a Conservative before I identify with the Republican Party, my believes are grounded on the principals of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I believe these rights are sacred and not meant to be changed, regardless of whether I like them or not.

I also know of many Democrats who are not Liberals. They do not agree with the socialistic views of bleeding heart Liberals. They believe in small government, low taxes as well as a strong and armed nation.

There are many examples of well known Republicans who are anti-gun such as Tom Ridge and Mayor Julianni to mention two whom we all know. How many of you know that Dianne Feinstein, Senator from California, who is a devout anti gun person, owns a CCW?

Let me end by saying that the best way to protect our rights to own guns, as many as we want, is determined at the ballot box on election day. See where your candidate of choice stands with respect to gun control and then vote as you see fit.
This applies to Republicans as well as Democrats.

God Bless America!
 
How many of you know that Dianne Feinstein, Senator from California, who is a devout anti gun person, owns a CCW?
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It's the way of the liberal politician/activist. Do as I say, not as I do. Maybe a better way is: I'll do as I wish; you'll do as I say.
 
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