Why are people hoarding?

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I was just reading a couple posts here about primer shortages, the nice new price stickers we see on them and what not, and so I started wondering... Whats everyone afraid of? Is everyone afraid there's going to be some sort of World War Three and they don't want to miss out on it? Is everyone afraid that aliens are going to come down and attack mankind? Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam or that the boogyman might come out of that dark corner in the closet? I'm sure most of us already have enough ammo in our basements to last a good long war or two and enough guns to arm the neighborhood. One box of primers is 1000 rounds, I think I'd be killed or captured before I could fire off 1000 rounds, or at least I'd die trying to carry it all! So, why are some buying all they can get their hands on? Is it because some fear the impending downfall of American society, or is it just that everyone wants to insure a lifetime supply of nonstop .38 Special target shooting kind of fun down at the pit? So, if your hording components and something scary is compelling you to do it, or if it's for some other reason entirely, please let the others in on it as I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering why.
 
It started out that everyone was afraid Obama was going to ban guns. Then it became a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy: everyone's afraid guns, ammo, and supplies are going to become hard to get, so they buy everything they can find, which has made everything hard to get...

We could stop doing this to ourselves at the drop of a hat, if we wanted to. Eventually everyone will get their credit card bills and the shelves will start to fill up again.
 
Some of the problem is hording, I think that is the biggest part of the shortage problem. I know guys that reload a little, they now think they should have 5,000 primers as back up. They used to buy 300 - 400 at a time......
I also see guys buying guns and ammo that never owned them before.
 
Folks have bought into the cheap hype that guns and ammo are going to be banned, simple as that. The gun show promoters and the gun stores are driving this frenzy.
 
long story short...

people are dumb

Most of the people have no clue as to whats going on and happening within and to our country.

There to concerned about buying the cheap chinese junk at Wal-Mart.

Check the threads about buying ammo, one would think W/W was the only place to purchase ammo. And we wonder why the independent dealer finally throwes in the towel.
 
First of all, it's hoarding, not hording. And I much prefer the term stockpiling.

Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam...

You betcha. The power to tax is the power to destroy. And, what with all the money being spent by the gov't, do you suppose they might need to start taxing us to get some of it back? They are taxing evil tobacco to fund gov't run child health care programs, so who's to say they won't start taxing evil gun related items to fund something that tickles their fancy.

Don
 
OK, here's a case study - me. Though I shot on the rifle team in HS decades ago, the only gun I owned was a .22 rifle. Then, after the election, seeing what was happening with the economy, I decided it was prudent to buy a handgun. My decision had NOTHING TO DO with which party/person was president (believe it or not). It was mostly based on uncertainty on how the economy issue was going to shake out. OK, mid-January I buy a .380 and a case of target ammo. (Yup, 1000 rounds - knew I was going to practice to be proficient.) Go to the range, shoot some paper. While reading about training classes I come across info about IDPA/IPSC. Take my .380 to a weekly IDPA match, have a LOT of fun. Find out that 9mm is smallest caliber for the "games". It's now almost March. Go buy a XD9SC and another case of ammo. Practicing at the range a lot, so I find a used S&W .22 target pistol to save on ammo cost. Shoot the XD9SC for a few weeks in IDPA, and realize that while I really prefer the XD9SC over the .380 for daily CC (I'd gotten my permit by this point), I was behind the curve using a subcompact as my primary "game gun". It's end of March, I sell the .380 & 1200 rounds of ammo (to a VERY happy buyer) to fund a M&P Pro 9 (a very sweet gun, let me say). I realize I'm really enjoying IDPA, and practicing at least once or twice a week, so I'm burning through 500 rounds/month minimum. So at the same time I buy a used Lee Turret rig with all the extras I need to start reloading. Came with 1 lb of Clays & 100 primers. Week later buy 1k primers @ $43 from a local shop. By now I was fully aware of what a BAD time I'd picked to start shooting & reloading as a hobby. Also knew I was in the sport for the long haul, and was enjoying reloading, so put in an order for 10k primers & 4 lb powder online. A week later the number of posts regarding primers is escalating like a (bullet?... ok...) like a bullet, so because I think the PRICE MIGHT GO UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE (it already has at the local shop), I order another 25k online from another vendor. A few weeks later I've gone through the 1k primers, and bought another, though now the price is $48/k. BTW, the online primers were locked in at $23/k, no matter when they ship.

So let's recap; started shooting 1/15/09, now 4 1/2 months later, I've had 4 handguns, shot about 3k ammo, started reloading (1.5k of that 3k ammo was handloads), Classified in IDPA, have a CCW & carry daily. I've got 8 lbs of AA#5 and about 500 primers left of the 2k I've bought locally, got 4 lb of HP38 & 35K primers on order, with no idea of when they'll arrive.

NONE of the above was out of fear of gov't intervention, nor do I believe they have ANYTHING to do with the shortage (directly, that is, like telling ammo manufacturers what to do). OF COURSE the election of anti-2A politicos caused many to either buy their first or stock up, but there were other good reasons as well (the economy tanking, notably).

As others have said, when this settles down (which it will), going forward I will always have on hand enough powder & primer to see me through at least a year, so should this kind of spike happen again, I can sit back & ignore it.

I guess I'm writing all this as a cathartic release, as just last weekend at an IDPA event someone made a comment about how "all the noob shooters are ruining it for us that have been doing it xx years". Well dammit... too bad for you! I'm a new shooter, proud that I made the decision to carry wherever I'm legally allowed, and damn well going to hone my skills so God forbid should I ever have to use my weapon to defend myself, I might have a chance to survive it! So $#@ off!
 
Hoarding? Call it what you want but I call it saving for a rainy day. Same thing people do with money, perhaps food, and other items. Some folk ran out and couldn't find any but I was able to share to the tune of 3,000 primers with folk I know and they sure the hell didn't complain about it. And that was free from charge, including shipping.

Cheers! beerchug.gif
 
Hoarding? Call it what you want but I call it saving for a rainy day

I understand the saving for a rainy day but I personally know some who have now purchased close to 200,0000 primers and are still buying, even with the outlandish prices. That is hoarding.

I suppose some would say I've done the same as I stumbled in a going out of business deal years ago and bought all the dealer had for less than $50 a 5,000 sleeve. However I would do the same with most anything my family uses. If I walked into an auto parts store and saw Mobil 1 for sale at $.50 a qt., I get it all if I could simply because it beats $5.00 a qt. I now spend. I do not consider this hoarding.
 
I've never understood people who only buy 100 primers at a time, and expect the local supplier to always have more on the shelf. Maybe it's because I'm older than most of the people on this forum, and have been reloading and shooting longer, but I've seen times when things were impossible to get in the past. For that reason alone, I always keep at least a two year supply of bullets, primers and powder on hand, period. This "shortage" hasn't affected me at all because of this. I too have been able to supply some close friends with primers, and a couple pounds of powder, but I'm careful who I let know I've got it.

With all the shooting my wife and I do, we go through many thousands of rounds of ammunition per year. It would not be prudent at all to depend on my local supplier to have what we need on any given day. It's up to me to ensure that I have what we need for our needs.

It would be silly to sign up for a shoot several states away, months in advance, and not know for certain that we would have the ammunition we need when the time arrives to travel to the match.

I haven't bought one primer since this "shortage" started right after the so called election. I'm using stocks that I normally have on hand, and once the situation settles down, I'll restock what we've used during the last half year or so.

One thing I might mention, it doesn't matter how many bullets, or how much powder, you have on your shelves. Without primers, it's all dead weight.......

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
I know guys that reload a little, they now think they should have 5,000 primers as back up.

Then they are thinking too small. :neener:


Unless they are thinking 5k each of SP, SPM, LP, LPM, SR, SRM, LR, LRM.

Then they are thinking correctly. :)

almost...
 
It's their money. I am looking forward to asking them if they have started using up those $48/K primers when primers are going for a reasonsable price again. On the other hand, they may looking forward to trying to sell me some of their $48/K primers for $96/K or some number. We'll see who laughs last.
 
I buy a lot at a time so I don't have to do it so often. I've got tons of brass, and thousands of bullets, gotta have primers and powders too. So hoarding supplies? No. Stockpiling handloaded ammo so I'll have target shooting supplies for years? Guilty.

I also have trash bags full of cans, plastic bottles, and 1 gal. jugs to use for reactive targets, and stacks of cardboard for my target frames. Guess I'm a "target hoarder" too.

<edit> Speaking of which, the UPS guy just delivered my 8# of IMR4895 and 5000 CCI #34 primers from Powder Valley! WOOHOO!
 
Have 15k primers and 20lbs of powder(purchased before the election)---but only shoot loaded ammo that I can find for a reasonable price----guess you can call it saving for a rainy day---plus gives me more brass saved up.
 
I don't think that it is the hording as much as it is we have been at war for 6 years. I think that the suppliers are making more money sending the components to Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan and now south Korea.
 
I look at this way. Once the money runs out and people that are supposedly "Hoarding" quit making all these big purchases for whatever reason prices will drop like a rock. Once the flow of primers, powders, bullets and other reloading equipment returns to what it was there will be lots of surplus and what happends when there is surplus? Prices fall. Just like people buying like crazy, dealers are ordering like crazy and when they are overstocked and not making any $$$$$$ they will lower prices. The people that bought more then they could use or bought to sell on places like Gunbroker will not be in the equation anymore.
 
I dont consider it hoarding but every time I walk into a place that sells ammo I purchase some. I never know when or how much I'm going to get to shoot. Since this all started I haven't been able to buy ammo at retail prices the only people who have it for sale have jacked the price up.

In the last week or two I've found a good supply of ammo at normal prices. I've ordered several thousand rounds as well as purchased several more thousand all at reasonable prices.

I was never out of ammo and never will be again. I will continue to purchase it in large quantities when I get the chance. Let the credit card bills come in they will be paid off at the end of the month just like they are every month.
 
I dont consider it hoarding but every time I walk into a place that sells ammo I purchase some. I never know when or how much I'm going to get to shoot. Since this all started I haven't been able to buy ammo at retail prices the only people who have it for sale have jacked the price up.

In the last week or two I've found a good supply of ammo at normal prices. I've ordered several thousand rounds as well as purchased several more thousand all at reasonable prices.

I was never out of ammo and never will be again. I will continue to purchase it in large quantities when I get the chance. Let the credit card bills come in they will be paid off at the end of the month just like they are every month.

Wow!

I am just like you. I have about 30K rounds of ammo and do not plan on running out.

There is one difference though. My credit card bills are far, far, far from being paid off. :(
 
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I was just reading a couple posts here about primer shortages, the nice new price stickers we see on them and what not, and so I started wondering... Whats everyone afraid of? Is everyone afraid there's going to be some sort of World War Three and they don't want to miss out on it? Is everyone afraid that aliens are going to come down and attack mankind? Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam or that the boogyman might come out of that dark corner in the closet? I'm sure most of us already have enough ammo in our basements to last a good long war or two and enough guns to arm the neighborhood. One box of primers is 1000 rounds, I think I'd be killed or captured before I could fire off 1000 rounds, or at least I'd die trying to carry it all! So, why are some buying all they can get their hands on? Is it because some fear the impending downfall of American society, or is it just that everyone wants to insure a lifetime supply of nonstop .38 Special target shooting kind of fun down at the pit? So, if your hording components and something scary is compelling you to do it, or if it's for some other reason entirely, please let the others in on it as I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering why.

It depends on what you think hoarding is. I will buy 50,000 to 100,000 primers with a couple of friends. We shoot competition and will go through a lot of ammo in a year. We don't buy out of fear, we buy out of need.
Rusty
 
Shoot more in a year than most people shoot in a lifetime, it's simply resupplying the inventory.

Don't think for a moment that the bureaucrats won't find a way to increase the tax on reloading items. The day will come when everyone will reminisce about primers going for $50/1000 like old timers recall buying a Coke for a nickle.
 
Very high inflation and world devaluation of the dollar is right around the corner my friends, because of our massive debt to come and the way the govt. is running our economy in to the ground.

Get it while it's halfway worth the money.
 
I understand the saving for a rainy day but I personally know some who have now purchased close to 200,0000 primers and are still buying, even with the outlandish prices. That is hoarding.
Tying up thousands of dollars in something like that is pointless, unless they plan on going into business. And if so, they'd better have all of the other components available to sell, too (a good selection of bullets, cases and powder).

If someone has more money than they know what to do with, and decides to spend some of it on guns or reloading components, well, that is certainly their choice. But it amazes me that so many people who have little or no savings, who have bills to pay, and who may be at risk of losing their jobs, continue to pour part of their income into such discretionary purchases. :uhoh:
 
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