Why are people hoarding?
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As primers are returning to stock, online sellers are generally getting about $29 per thousand (using MidwayUSA price last week as a guideline). It would appear that this is the new price point as primers return to the market.
Tell that to that guy who has been paying $39 per thousand to stock 200,000 of them. I hope he has fun shooting!
Tell that to that guy who has been paying $39 per thousand to stock 200,000 of them. I hope he has fun shooting!
rockhound758
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I'm not aware (read: "not willing to look in the dictionary to determine") the difference between "hoarding" and "stockpiling", but it seems to me that stockpiling is primarily for your own use vs. acquiring for later sale to others. I can empathize with stockpiling, but like many others it wouldn't bother me at all if the "hoarders" took a bath.
As for WHY people are stockpiling, seems to me there are several factors (some of which we haven't necessarily seen before) that are all converging...
1) A new administration with members that have in the past vocally expressed interest in curbing/"redefining" 2nd Amendment rights
2) A democratic majority in Congress that MIGHT be an ally to the Administration in this area (although there ARE a number of Dems elected who seem to be resisting the "Biden Line")
3) Gun control groups that are emboldened by #s 1 and 2 above, and will be pushing their agendas harder than ever--"striking while the iron is hot"
4) Different/new approaches to "gun control"...namely now looking at controlling/suppressing the flow of ammunition and related components. Maybe it's been suggested before, but I don't recall much focus in the past on bullets, just guns. Luckily, the vast majority of these "encoded bullet" bills have never made it out of committee...but it's a direction I don't think we've seen before.
5) Extreme statements from our own ranks...it's not hard to find gun shop owners, employees, dealers at gun shows, etc. who are absolutely SURE that doomsday is around the corner, and they're vocal about it.
6) The relatively long shelf life of ammunition and components, which limits the extent to which what you've stockpiled will go to waste. Many are willing to gamble on spending a bit more than they'd like to ensure they've actually GOT the materials rather than risk not having them in the future at all.
Bottom line, while I think some of the things we're dealing with are similar to situations we've seen in the past (and which have resolved themselves), I DO think we're facing a situation with more issues for concern than most of these past situations.
The good news is that I think with all the folks that are new into the shooting sports (or have just bought a gun), there's more of a support base than ever before. I also think Obama and the administration have bigger fish to fry than to worry about this stuff...for the moment. But I could also see Biden wanting to pursue this issue when the economy gets better, and THEN we've got some problems since his views are what most of us would likely consider to be extreme. Whether or not the current situation will be like what we've faced in the past OR be like something we haven't yet experienced is still to be determined, IMO. I can tell you one thing, though...I'm a lot more active and vocal about 2nd amendment rights than ever before, as are many others. We've got to stay more vigilant and observant than ever before.
As for WHY people are stockpiling, seems to me there are several factors (some of which we haven't necessarily seen before) that are all converging...
1) A new administration with members that have in the past vocally expressed interest in curbing/"redefining" 2nd Amendment rights
2) A democratic majority in Congress that MIGHT be an ally to the Administration in this area (although there ARE a number of Dems elected who seem to be resisting the "Biden Line")
3) Gun control groups that are emboldened by #s 1 and 2 above, and will be pushing their agendas harder than ever--"striking while the iron is hot"
4) Different/new approaches to "gun control"...namely now looking at controlling/suppressing the flow of ammunition and related components. Maybe it's been suggested before, but I don't recall much focus in the past on bullets, just guns. Luckily, the vast majority of these "encoded bullet" bills have never made it out of committee...but it's a direction I don't think we've seen before.
5) Extreme statements from our own ranks...it's not hard to find gun shop owners, employees, dealers at gun shows, etc. who are absolutely SURE that doomsday is around the corner, and they're vocal about it.
6) The relatively long shelf life of ammunition and components, which limits the extent to which what you've stockpiled will go to waste. Many are willing to gamble on spending a bit more than they'd like to ensure they've actually GOT the materials rather than risk not having them in the future at all.
Bottom line, while I think some of the things we're dealing with are similar to situations we've seen in the past (and which have resolved themselves), I DO think we're facing a situation with more issues for concern than most of these past situations.
The good news is that I think with all the folks that are new into the shooting sports (or have just bought a gun), there's more of a support base than ever before. I also think Obama and the administration have bigger fish to fry than to worry about this stuff...for the moment. But I could also see Biden wanting to pursue this issue when the economy gets better, and THEN we've got some problems since his views are what most of us would likely consider to be extreme. Whether or not the current situation will be like what we've faced in the past OR be like something we haven't yet experienced is still to be determined, IMO. I can tell you one thing, though...I'm a lot more active and vocal about 2nd amendment rights than ever before, as are many others. We've got to stay more vigilant and observant than ever before.
bluetopper
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Even if you don't need guns, ammo, primers, ect,......It is absolutely the best investment I can think of, purely from a financial standpoint.
Lone_Gunman
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The day will come, and it is not too far away, when our government is going to restrict or ban firearms much more severely than what we have seen in the past. Those on the left have not forgotten about the gun issue. They are simply too busy socializing our banks and industries to worry about that issue at present.
Present day events suggest the opposite.
The Chicago ban will go to SCOTUS and get throw out.
Pelosi herself says no ban, try enforcing the laws we have.
Harry Reid is pro-gun.
Congress just passed the right to carry in state parks, despite the danger to precious Bambi and the other cute furry woodland animals that live there.
Most all the dems that got elected are pro-gun.
Now if these same politicians can stop the multi-national corporations from their treasonous activities, AKA globalization, we may actually get back on our feet but that isn't going to happen so you may need those 200,000 primers after all.
Ohio Gun Guy
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Ahh...hem. The first line should be enough...but read on if interested.
Ammunition Supply In Revolutionary Virginia Part 1
Taken from the January 1965 issue of:
The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
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One of the chronic problems facing the states throughout most of the American Revolution was a shortage of ammunition. The large degree of sovereignty retained by individual states complicated the problem by decentralizing, to a great extent, the responsibility for acquiring munitions. Each of the thirteen colonies sought supplies of ammunition, both for its own needs and for the total war effort. In the continuing search for sinews of war, Virginia played an indispensable role.
Virginia patriots early realized the importance of an adequate supply of ammunition to their cause. On February 13, 1775--two months before the war began--the Isle of Wight Committee of Safety appointed a subcommittee to purchase 1,000 pounds of gunpowder for the county's use, and promised a £20 premium to the first person in the colony who made 5,000 pounds of powder. Five days later, the Cumberland County Committee offered a premium of three shillings per pound to the first person who would produce, within eight months, fifty pounds of good gunpowder, "on due proof that the same as made wholly of American materials."
In March of that same year, the Virginia Convention resolved to put the colony in a "posture for defence." Included in this preparation was the collection and storage of powder at Williamsburg. On April 21 the royal governor, Lord Dunmore, alarmed and incensed by these belligerent acts, sent a detachment of marines to seize the colony's store of powder. The Governor's success was short lived. So bold and powerful was the reaction of the Virginians, led by Patrick Henry, that Receiver-General and President of the Council Richard Corbin was forced to pay for the confiscated powder. Soon Dunmore fled to the protection of a British man-of-war, and a near state of war existed between the Old Dominion and the mother country.
Ammunition Supply In Revolutionary Virginia Part 1
Taken from the January 1965 issue of:
The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
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One of the chronic problems facing the states throughout most of the American Revolution was a shortage of ammunition. The large degree of sovereignty retained by individual states complicated the problem by decentralizing, to a great extent, the responsibility for acquiring munitions. Each of the thirteen colonies sought supplies of ammunition, both for its own needs and for the total war effort. In the continuing search for sinews of war, Virginia played an indispensable role.
Virginia patriots early realized the importance of an adequate supply of ammunition to their cause. On February 13, 1775--two months before the war began--the Isle of Wight Committee of Safety appointed a subcommittee to purchase 1,000 pounds of gunpowder for the county's use, and promised a £20 premium to the first person in the colony who made 5,000 pounds of powder. Five days later, the Cumberland County Committee offered a premium of three shillings per pound to the first person who would produce, within eight months, fifty pounds of good gunpowder, "on due proof that the same as made wholly of American materials."
In March of that same year, the Virginia Convention resolved to put the colony in a "posture for defence." Included in this preparation was the collection and storage of powder at Williamsburg. On April 21 the royal governor, Lord Dunmore, alarmed and incensed by these belligerent acts, sent a detachment of marines to seize the colony's store of powder. The Governor's success was short lived. So bold and powerful was the reaction of the Virginians, led by Patrick Henry, that Receiver-General and President of the Council Richard Corbin was forced to pay for the confiscated powder. Soon Dunmore fled to the protection of a British man-of-war, and a near state of war existed between the Old Dominion and the mother country.
jpwilly
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Than I must be kidding myself. You guys can have them for $43 per K. When you have enough and the stores stock rises to normal levels the prices will fall to norm again. How long? Who knows I'm more worried about feeding my kids right now.
ArchAngelCD
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I usually need ~15,000 primers to shoot through the Summer. (handguns and long guns) When the prices started to climb, instead of keeping a year's supply of primers on my shelf I bought more trying to save money in the long run. I decided to increased my stock to two years worth. I'd like to say I saw this coming but I really didn't. I just wanted to save some money and ended up getting lucky to have 2 years primer supply on my shelf at last year's prices! I'm just glad I bought a little extra with every order I made, when I saw a sale in a local shop and when I bought at the gun shows.
I even bought a bunch of .22LR ammo before the prices jumped from $9.99 to $24.99 a brick. It seems like the .22LR ammo is easier to find over the past 6 weeks and the price has come down a bit.
I even bought a bunch of .22LR ammo before the prices jumped from $9.99 to $24.99 a brick. It seems like the .22LR ammo is easier to find over the past 6 weeks and the price has come down a bit.
redneck2
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Go back to Reloader Fred's comments. I'm 58. I've seen the prices of everything go up over the years. My first car (a'68 GTO) was $3,228 brand new. Prices fluctuate and hit high peaks, but sooner or later they go up.
Go back and look at all the threads about ammo shortage. I'm not running out of ammo.
Go back and look at all the threads about ammo shortage. I'm not running out of ammo.
Actuallly, ammunition control has been considered since at least 1969: 40 years ago! See Will: The Autobiography of G. Gordon Liddy (1980), page 135.
Fair enough ... but that approach only makes sense if applied in a consistant, balanced fashion.
Do you have 50 years' supply of canned goods stockpiled? What about 50 years' worth of motor oil, and so on? If not, it won't do you much good to have 50 years' worth of primers.
308win
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When the panic buyers/hoarders have satiated their paranoia prices will come down and they will be closer to $18 than $48 (or whatever the lemmings have driven the price up to this week).
RustyFN
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This is todays price if they were in stock. That's $18.60 per 1,000. They will be in stock sometime and I doubt the price will go up too much.
aerod1
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.......or it could be whoreding but then that would be how they got it, not what they are doing with it!
308win
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Why should he? Maybe he is hoarding his links.
308win
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Here's some more out of stock.
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