Why do people hate shipping to New York so much?

[cslinger]

which I get but you can easily say sure I'll ship to New York but all sales are final that way it's on the buyer to know if you can actually buy them or not you don't have to give them their money back if they can't

I, personally could, but I am generally not a jerk. Well I kinda am, but point is I would feel bad and want to refund.

 

[cslinger]

Also I really feel bad for NY because I have been all over that State from Manhattan to upstate and holy crap the VAST majority of NY the Northeast version of good ole' boy country (said with love) and it really SUCKS! that NYC runs things for you guys.

 

[GBExpat]

I can vaguely recall a minor, unexpected hassle when preparing to ship an SVT-40 (it is a milsurp longgun, for those who don't know ) to a fellow in California who bought it from me on Gunbroker. That was about 10 years ago.

Off the top of my head, I do not remember the details (but I did capture digital images of all docs), but additional paperwork was involved. I was shipping it to a Dealer FFL so I was unconcerned about "legalities".

To me, the addition paper was not a big enough hassle to eschew California sales, but I can understand why some would. I expect that there are more California Hoops now.

One decision that I made for myself because of that one sale was that, for folks living in 2A-Degraded Locales, I would willingly submit to an additional paperwork requirement, so long as it was not too outrageous and/or invasive.

I just figure that many of these poor folks have enough problems pursuing this hobby without me electing to support the efforts of the Antis in their state/county/city by refusing to sell to them.

FWIW ...

 

[FlSwampRat]

Everytime I try to buy on Armslist I'll get a really motivated seller until I find out I'm in New York. Even if I provide them with a legitimate FFL to ship to it seems like people clam up as soon as I say that. There are people here who like to shoot we're not all cops out to try to get you.

We ship to NY now and then. I agree with your later post, FFL to FFL transfers puts all the onus of making sure the transfer is legal locally.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Even though these laws are politically driven, I do think this a is a valuable thread to provide some insight to folks who are under certain restrictions as to why some of us or business may not want to do business with them. This thread isn't, so far devolving into politician X is horrible, vote them out or whatever, it is mostly tracking the reality and perception of buying and selling in these regions.

Yep, and no reason to go down the political discussion and thread lock route. Hence my extremely general comment.

 

[CDW4ME]

Cuz annoying restrictions and crappy politics we don’t get to talk about here.

 

[scaatylobo]

Everytime I try to buy on Armslist I'll get a really motivated seller until I find out I'm in New York. Even if I provide them with a legitimate FFL to ship to it seems like people clam up as soon as I say that. There are people here who like to shoot we're not all cops out to try to get you.


Edit: so it comes down to the inconvenience of the thing. Got it.

Case closed, thanks for the people who humored me with this thread.

BEEN THERE,DONE THAT ------- far too many times.

And as a retired LEO with full knowledge of the law,I have called and 'E' mailed many companys with the question " why are you depriving me of MY rights".

The general answer that I receive is ,the company has made an "agreement" with the NYS attorney general ?.

They will note they do not know OR CARE about the law allowing me to receive this item from an FFL holder.

Best you can do is let anyone and all know about a company refusing you your RIGHTS.

And as the old saying goes ," please a customer,they tell their friends".

" pee off a customer,and they let EVERYONE know".

So ---- let er rip.

Social networks are a great place to vent.

 

[daniel craig]

BEEN THERE,DONE THAT ------- far too many times.

And as a retired LEO with full knowledge of the law,I have called and 'E' mailed many companys with the question " why are you depriving me of MY rights".

The general answer that I receive is ,the company has made an "agreement" with the NYS attorney general ?.

They will note they do not know OR CARE about the law allowing me to receive this item from an FFL holder.

Best you can do is let anyone and all know about a company refusing you your RIGHTS.

And as the old saying goes ," please a customer,they tell their friends".

" pee off a customer,and they let EVERYONE know".

So ---- let er rip.

Social networks are a great place to vent.

It's usually not the big stores I have a problem with. In fact, most of them are great, it's individual people usually.

 

[dh1633pm]

NY Laws for how stupid they are; are simpler than most other "ban" states. For most firearms is business as usual. No waiting periods, no firearms drivers licenses, and other silliness. I have purchased lots of things from out of state with no issues at all. If they don't want to sell to NY, I say, the heck with them, will take my business elsewhere. You want to punish NY, don't sell to Gov anything we can't buy.

 

[scaatylobo]

It's usually not the big stores I have a problem with. In fact, most of them are great, it's individual people usually.

I found it was Cheaper than Dirt,Sportsmans guide,Cabelas,Bass etc.

They will not ship ammo to me,when SO MANY OTHERS will = yes,directly in accordance with the law.

In fact Sportsmans guide refused me a freakin bayonet that I can buy ANYWHERE.

Their reason,they were following the A.G. office request !.

To me that is a really great example of ***..

 

[FROGO207]

Most gun owners have memory retention measured in lifetimes. Not just untill the next election cycle or less like most politicians. We remember and vote accordingly. We just need to increase our base share and then things might change for the better.
There are many locations that are not worth my getting in a hassle let alone legal trouble for selling an item. This is not related to firearms alone. Just not going to sell to some locations period.

 

[CapnMac]

As a guess, no one is picking on just New York.
I'll wager it's bad sledding for folks in NJ, MD, MA, CT, IL, HI, and, especially, CA.

 

[WestKentucky]

I hate to sound like my wife answering a question with a question... but I can’t resist.


Why do people hate shipping to New York so much?

Why does the state of New York hate peoples individual rights and freedom so much?

 

[dogtown tom]

BEEN THERE,DONE THAT ------- far too many times.

And as a retired LEO with full knowledge of the law,I have called and 'E' mailed many companys with the question " why are you depriving me of MY rights".

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Well, "with full knowledge of the law" you should be able to answer these two questions:
What constitutional right is being violated by a business not selling to you?
Does a business have the right to choose who/where/what/when to sell his product or service?

 

[stillquietvoice]

I'm in binghamton area upstate ny. I live not too far from PA border and can have items shipped to PA FFL's there are a couple close enough to make it worthwhile. One PA FFL is a NY resident or was and knows NY restrictions. He won't sell illegal items to NY residents.

 

[Captcurt]

Never had any qualms about shipping to NY. Even California isn't as bad as many think. There are a couple of hoops that you jump through, but it isn't difficult. If you want an ordeal try shipping to Canada or Australia. You must go through a importer/exporter.

 

[Demi-human]

It's usually not the big stores I have a problem with. In fact, most of them are great, it's individual people usually.

So you have no problem being forced to do things you are uncomfortable with?

An American should be able to walk away from another citizen based on, nothing, just a feeling, personal free will.
Let alone that NY has actual, hard to interpret, laws about firearms selling and buying that cause fear to the common out of state man.

I propose that a well worded and citationed thread of the ways and restrictions of selling and shipping to New York State, to increase the knowledge of those who would sell to New Yorkers, would be infinitely more useful than complaining about human nature.

Stating that the other human doesn't need to know the law, or should do something they are unsure of is oppression.
You know, like what NY is doing to you...

As evidence.

I'm in binghamton area upstate ny. I live not too far from PA border and can have items shipped to PA FFL's there are a couple close enough to make it worthwhile. One PA FFL is a NY resident or was and knows NY restrictions. He won't sell illegal items to NY residents.

It's easier for this New York State resident to have things shipped to Pennsylvania and pick them up than have them sent to New York.

Their reason,they were following the A.G. office request !.

To me that is a really great example of ***..

Conversely, I can absolutely see the New York Attorney General's office calling up major sellers and distributors and using their "powers of pesuasion" (i.e. oppressing) to encourage them to not sell a darned thing to New Yorkers.

That a for profit business decides not to bother is unremarkable.
It may not be correct, but it is their right.

I am right there with @cslinger. It is not good, and we are on your side.
Education is always the cure.
Get the word out.

 

[PWGUNNY]

I'm guilty of taunting my NY gun buddies. I escaped from NY 4 years ago, and I now live in the gun friendly state of SC. I still clearly remember that bozo Cuomo making idiotic gun laws in midnight meetings. "No mags over 10 rounds". That law, made law enforcement firearms illegal, after realizing that mistake, the law was changed to 10 round mags maximum, BUT you can only load 7 rounds. LOL! Well that should make everyone much safer now.

 

[redneck2]

We ship to NY now and then. I agree with your later post, FFL to FFL transfers puts all the onus of making sure the transfer is legal locally.

Suppose somebody from New York State wants some 30 round magazines. I don’t know any better and ship them. Doesn’t go through a FFL, but I’m now a felon.

You can ship to Crazyville if you want. There is no way in hell I will

 

[Speedo66]

I think there is a certain amount of NY bias to begin with. I've even seen it here with "it's your own fault for living there", as if people should just up and leave family and careers just because one state allows bigger magazine capacity than another.

I've also seen people recommend not buying anything from "X" manufacturer because they happened to start their business in NY, maybe have been there longer than the craziness.

I lived and worked in NY for over 65 years, and I can tell you it's a fantastic state, aside from some draconian gun laws. For some gun hobbyists, the gun laws do not override everything else good about the state.

If a company chooses to lose business because they won't stay current, that's their problem. Just find another more enlightened one to buy from.

 

[scaatylobo]

Well, "with full knowledge of the law" you should be able to answer these two questions:
What constitutional right is being violated by a business not selling to you?
Does a business have the right to choose who/where/what/when to sell his product or service?

The RIGHT to keep & bear arms !.

By refusing my sales for NO REAL CAUSE,other than to kow tow to the state AG.

And that is poor business,as when do you stop that,how many states do you listen to their AG and stop the sales.

If that were your state,bet you would be more than a bit upset over the loss of your RIGHTS ?.

 

[illinoisburt]

I can understand where it may not be a big deal for a higher volume FFL holder who is taking care of their own merchandise. As an individual non-FFL, I would not want to risk selling a gun or magazines of mine to someone in another state where it may get refused and returned due to local restrictions. Getting it sent in the first place costs me money having it processed and shipped by the local FFL. If it comes back, I get a second set of charges to have it rebooked at the FFL and transferred back to me. With that, I likely have lost the other people who might have been interested in my gun. Now granted I haven't sold many over the years, but why would someone put themselves in that position?

The RIGHT to keep & bear arms !.
By refusing my sales for NO REAL CAUSE,other than to kow tow to the state AG.
And that is poor business,as when do you stop that,how many states do you listen to their AG and stop the sales.
If that were your state,bet you would be more than a bit upset over the loss of your RIGHTS ?.

That's a big NO. If I chose not to do business in a state I'm not depriving anyone of their rights. You are perfectly able to transact with anyone who is doing business in your area. I suspect there are such companies and individuals in your locale but they may charge more money than retailers in other markets with less onerous rules.

 

[Texas10mm]

For the same reason that sellers who ship USPS Flat Rate won't ship to Alaska or Hawaii.

Ignorance. It costs the same in my case no matter the state. They just Ass-U-Me that it's going to cost more.

 

[danez71]

I'm speaking about gunbroker interstate type gun sales when I ask.....

I thought FFLs talked 1st before shipping guns to make sure they will be accepted.

Am I wrong?

 

[George P]

Do they know from the beginning of the conversation that you're not from their state? Might not be NY specifically, just out of staters in general. I won't bother selling a gun to anyone who isn't a resident of my state. More hassle than it's worth.

But sellers have no way of knowing which category you're in and since most gun owners don't know the law as it relates to selling guns, especially in places like NY, it's easier to just not mess with it.

What is the more hassle? Shipping it to an FFL?