Evergreen
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Right, people never have arguments and sometimes do actions they regret.Since this is a big concern for you then you need different friends and girlfriend.
Umm.. An individual does not get to wield the authority of law punishing gun owners, when determining who is at their home. A person having force of law to turn you into a "gun criminal" very clearly, from my perspective, "infringes" upon your right to keep and bear arms. What they have the authority to do is to dictate who is allowed on their property and who is not and that is it. Anyone not respecting the property rights of the owner is committing the crime of trespassing, not being a gun offender. Punishing people for a gun offense violates our Bill of Rights, when in fact all they are committing is a trespassing offense. Go back to my example of the plumber, refrigerator repair guy, electrician etc working in some very crime ridden neighborhood. Since, a person has the power to turn you into a "gun violator" which has serious long term repercussions, this essentially means another law abiding citizen has been forced to be disarmed and cannot defend himself. So, when this man is walking back to his car with his tools and some thug or desperate junkie sticks a gun to him, since he knows he is unarmed, shoots him and robs him, will you say its justified, since the property owner was protected from the law abiding citizen carrying a gun into his house? Once again, remember that gun control laws only protect criminals, not law abiding citizens.No you don’t understand that the Bill of Rights puts restrictions on the Government not the individual.
And our legal system has in fact enforced laws that are unconstitutional and contradict our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Some may argue that Jim Crow laws were justified, because maybe they thought the constitutional laws only applied to white people. Some also will argue the 2nd Amendment only applies to the military. However, it has been proven that these misinterpretations of our laws are in violation to the Constitution.I don’t have “right to do…is to turn a person into criminal for exercising their 1st or 2nd Amendment right.” That is done through the legal system.
A person should suffer no more penalty for carrying a gun in a person's house then they should suffer for being of a different skin color, religion, lifestyle, appearance, etc. As far as inanimate objects, carrying a gun into someone's home should incur no greater penalty than someone who has issued a de facto ban on cell phones in their home. If they call the police because someone is yapping on their cell phone, the person should suffer same penalty as someone who is legally exercising their 2nd Amendment Right to carry a gun with them.
So, since our country had unconstitutional laws, that makes it acceptable? In fact, a lot of the gun control laws on the books were used as a means of keeping guns out of the hands of ethnic groups that the governing bodies saw as threats or inferior, etc.Actually if you will study American history the United States has had laws such as what you describe. Research segregation in the South during the late 19th and up to the 1960’s.
Because, I am a strong believer in gun rights and personal freedoms and feel the administering of unconstitutional laws is a threat to the well-being of our society. Also, one bad law can result in even worse laws from being issued. As well, the more power and authority the government has to incriminate gun owners and any other people, the more the power and authority can be abused, as I stated in above posts.Again why is this such a big concern for you?
This has nothing to do with culture, but has to do with civil liberties and personal freedoms. I do not respect the politicians of the state and who ever voted for the unconstitutional laws, assuming it is not a result of bureaucracy managing to institute such laws without the people's support. This can also be the case in many instances. Maybe people in the more liberal enclaves of the state, such as Charleston, e.g. , dictate the laws for the rest of the state. That is EXACTLY the situation we are faced with in Washington and Oregon, where two cities push a lot of bad laws that the rest of the state must suffer with.One thing you should keep in mind is the differences in culture. Folks from California make a lot of fun of Kansans as they consider us 10 years behind California. This is a common attitude also by folks from the NorthEast. You know what? We kind of like being behind California.
ANyway, I don't know why anyone would consider gun control laws something to be proud about. This is exactly why places like the Northeast and California suck. And, if Washington, Oregon or whatever state has some gun freedoms that South Carolina doesn't have, I don't know why someone would defend that. Everyone should strive to make their state as constitutionally sound as they can. I am not saying any place is perfect in this day and age.. Well, except Arizona, may be perfect with gun laws (or gun rights), but couldn't live through the 120 degree days.
I understand people shunning change for the worse, but who would shun change for the better? People who get their feelings hurt because people point out some very restrictive gun laws, need to re-assess whether they are more loyal to their state or to freedoms and liberties guaranteed to us at a federal level, which states are not suppose to infringe.
My story about losing my job is pretty horrible.. I got screwed big time after being used like a slave, underpaid, overworked, abused and tossed in the dirt in family business for which I worked for over 15 years. I won't go into the gory details. I need to live very cheaply for a year and well with 1 bedroom apartments renting for $1700/mo, the Seattle area is just not a place you can live cheaply anymore. The Californians, esp have driven prices through the roof and they keep going up. My home state of Oregon is essentially the same.As discussed the gun laws on the books should only be one part of a decision where to move. For some it is more important than others. For me living in a State with many firearm freedoms is important. Like you about 4 years ago I was laid off from my job for 18 months. We discussed moving with Texas being a big consideration. As it turned out I was rehired by my company after agreeing to a big pay cut. We had to make some adjustments to our lifestyle but such is the price of staying put.
Another above poster mentioned Indiana, will have to look into that. Cheap living, gun freedoms and higher pay. As much as I will miss living in mountains, I guess a man has got to eat. Hard to take a mountain man away from his mountains where he grew up, but that's life. I'm not saying I hate Washington, I do like it, but I cannot afford to live here anymore. A lot of jobs here also go to H1Bs with Microsoft, etc and Amazon is just horrible employer to work for. Oregon has become totally fiscally socialist, 9% state tax, low wages and skyrocketing living costs. I fled my home state a while ago now. Also, want to get the heck away from my family, a whole other issue.
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