Why do people think a pump / lever / revolver is better than an Autoloader?

[R.W.Dale]

He's alive today because he had a semi-auto handgun with a high capacity mag. To make a long story short, after a failed attempt to hijack his car, the perps caught up with him on the highway and a high-speed shootout ensued.

Sometimes more bullets isn't the only solution. In that situation you're best move would be to throw the wonder nine in the back seat, and use that 4000LB rolling death machine to your advantage.

You can cite all the freakishly violent situations you want. But the facts are you're about as likely to win the $10,000,000 lottery as to end up in a situation like that. I get a real laugh at how when you ask most of these Charles Bronson wannabes they have 2 or 3 guns and several hundred rounds of ammo ready to roll but it turns out they don't have a smoke alarm or much less fire extinguisher in their home.

 

[DougDubya]

Nolo, you're good folk, once I finally disambiguated myself.

 

[Nolo]

And that, Doug, is my final point.
We're all good folk ('cept maybe Gunkid).
I think it's like $600-$800 for a Saiga 12. Not sure, though.

 

[R.W.Dale]

oh and I forgot








IBTL

 

[Tequila jake]

Revolver vs Autoloader Reliability

I've had revolvers fail to fire exactly twice in more than 40 years of shooting--both times because of improperly reloaded ammo. I reloaded some .38 Spl and didn't seat the primers deeply enough, causing them to drag on the recoil plate and bind up the cylinder. Another time a friend (and expert reloader) built me some .38 Spl rounds and unburned powder got stuck under the extractor star, raising it off the cyliner and binding it up.

On the other hand I've had quite a few ftf/fte with autoloaders over the years , caused by bad ammo, bad magazines, rough feed ramps, and other assorted gremlins. I'm not saying that autoloaders are generally unreliable, but I'm certainly less surprised when an autoloader fails than when a revolver does.

Tequila Jake

 

[Defensory]

Posted by Wheeler44:
Well that's that then. The "professional" in the discussion has straightened us all out with someone else's anecdotal evidence. The "professionals" friend scared of some hoodlums with the sound of gunfire. Hey, Defensory, maybe a recording of a machine gun would work just as well.

There's nothing "anecdotal" about a real life situation where both sides were shooting to kill. They were firing directly into his car, and he was firing directly into theirs.

My acquaintance still has a hollow point bullet in his thigh to prove his story is true. The surgeon who operated on him told him he couldn't remove it because it was too close to the major nerve that runs through the thigh.

He had to fire a double digit number of rounds before they decided to cease the attack. If he had been carrying a "wonder wheelie" with only five or six rounds, he'd be dead today.

So much for the old "wheel gunner" myth that all you have to do in a self-defense situation is pop off a round or two, and the perps will "run with their tails between their legs".

There's nothing "anecdotal" about a hollow point in your thigh. This was a life and death situation where a high-capacity pistol saved his life.

 

[Defensory]

Posted by Krochus:
Sometimes more bullets isn't the only solution. In that situation you're best move would be to throw the wonder nine in the back seat, and use that 4000LB rolling death machine to your advantage.

So your solution when a car pulls up beside you at a high rate of speed on the interstate and multiple occupants begin firing at you, is to pull up CLOSER to them and try to ram them, giving them much closer and easier shots at you?!

Not to mention that nobody with any common sense would try to ram another car at 70+ MPH. It'll be a "rolling death machine" alright, you'll roll your own car and kill yourself.

You can cite all the freakishly violent situations you want. But the facts are you're about as likely to win the $10,000,000 lottery as to end up in a situation like that. I get a real laugh at how when you ask most of these Charles Bronson wannabes they have 2 or 3 guns and several hundred rounds of ammo ready to roll but it turns out they don't have a smoke alarm or much less fire extinguisher in their home.

Nothing "freakish" about it. Thousands of carjackings and home invasions occur every year in this country, so there are thousands of people "winning the lottery" these days.

Almost 450 armed home invasions in just one recent year in Houston alone. Carjackings are also quite common in virtually all large and mid-size cities.

Charles Bronson used a revolver in the original "Death Wish" movie, so I'm definitely not a "Charles Bronson wannabe".

 

[mavracer]

So your solution when a car pulls up beside you at a high rate of speed on the interstate and multiple occupants begin firing at you, is to pull up CLOSER to them and try to ram them, giving them much closer and easier shots at you?!

my solution in that case would be a hardware solution.throw the revolver on the passenger seat drop into 3rd and let 582 "dynoed" rear wheel horsepower make some distance.

 

[mavracer]

Common sense question---If four armed perpetrators forcibly entered your home, would you rather be armed with a single-shot or a 8-shot semi-auto?

an extream but pointed answer.
if the 8 round auto gives you the confidence to stand and fight where as the single shot makes you think tactics IE move and flank so you can engage one perp at a time you would be better served by the single shot it was more idiot proof.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Not to mention that nobody with any common sense would try to ram another car at 70+ MPH. It'll be a "rolling death machine" alright, you'll roll your own car and kill yourself.

Just like a firearm you should get educated on how to drive. Again you're thousands of times more likely to die on the American roadways. Yet how many mall ninja's here have had professional driving instruction. At 70 mph I can put you in the ditch upside down and on fire before you can say hand me my glock.

So your solution when a car pulls up beside you at a high rate of speed on the interstate and multiple occupants begin firing at you, is to pull up CLOSER to them and try to ram them, giving them much closer and easier shots at you?!

Your front bumper paraell with their rear tire, push them aside as you roll onto the throttle. Or better yet have a gnarly lookin receiver hitch sticking out 14" from your rear bumber. One strategic stab of the brakes and their pursuit is OVER



Either option is vastly more intelligent than emptying 20 rounds wildly in a vain attempt of hitting a moving target from a moving target. But hey it's harder to kill innocent bystanders the other way.

Or the most intelligent option would have been to give up that 4000 LB piece of insured rolling debt and not get in a shootout over a THING that some insurance company will replace anyhow. Call me silly but if someone jumped in my car wanting to jack it I would politely ask them to make certain it never gets recovered

Use the god given software more and you'll find a way to make your hardware suffice for any situation. More bullets aren't always the right answer. If all your tools are hammers it's not ling before all your problems start looking like nails

 

[Igloodude]

my solution in that case would be a hardware solution.throw the revolver on the passenger seat drop into 3rd and let 582 "dynoed" rear wheel horsepower make some distance.

+1 except for a mere 330 rwhp rather than 582.

But I think there's a bit of confusion here, though - your average carjacking doesn't tend to involve inbound gunfire at highway speeds, right?