Why Glock over an XDM?

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You guys are poo pooing the grip safety. have to disagree. that safety and the USA trigger are what makes my gun 'safe' enough that the barrel pointed at my parts does not concern me if i keep a round chambered (and i'll know it's chambered cuz of cam that rides up to indicate a round in that chamber). when i draw that pistola i'm gonna know that i can safely draw from any kind of holster and not worrying. if i don't have a firm grip on the pistol grip, i shouldn't be attempting to let a round go off. to me it's a better safety than a socalled mech. (manual) safety. that xd has an SAO trigger, and all triggers shall be SAO w me, so these two above mentioned features make me breathe easy. IMHO
 
if i don't have a firm grip on the pistol grip, i shouldn't be attempting to let a round go off.
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Glad to see that you can see the future that you will have full function of your hands.
 
I never said field strip. I am referring to the complete assembly/disassembly. This affects the gun's overall cost (assembly cost), maintenance/upkeep/repair cost, and ease of detail cleaning.
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I am not picking on you, but it sounds like you've never taken a Glock apart beyond a field strip. (I wonder if you're ever disassembled any gun, if you would even compare it to a revolver. Yikes!) It's one of the best features of this gun. The disassembly/reassembly was a huge consideration in the design of every single part of the gun, and it shows.
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You are correct about not detail stripping a Glock, but you are not correct about not doing it to any gun. BTW, if I have the correct tools, I don't find revolvers at all hard to take down (as for field stripping, as I said there really isn't any unless you count removing the grips). OTH, I rarely take any gun down that far these days as I rarely find it necessary. I figure the odds of loosing a part or otherwise screwing something up make it not worth the risk for me.

I have detail stripped the 1911 platform (series 70) and found it to be remarkably easy to do so (not so Ruger Mark IIs and IIIs). I also have a few friends that own both Glocks and 1911s and every last one of them agreed that the Glock is easier to field strip than the 1911, but the 1911 was easier (for them) to detail strip. To be clear, by detail stripping I mean taking the gun completely apart, which includes all the Glock's subassemblies. But as always, to each his own. Those guys are much older, so perhaps they are just used to the 1911 platform.

Not that it really matters. Anyone with some degree of mechanical ability and proper tools can take apart and put together about anything.

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As for the OP, I can't tell you which to get over the other. Both are fine choices, I'd simply go with the one that feels "right" to you.
 
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Most of Europe must be third world too.
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You asked for documentation about the XD pistols, being built in Croatia, being built in a 3rd world nation where sex slave trades and slave labor is the norm. I provided that to you efficiently. However, I see you are also cross-talking several other free thinking members here now?

No, I do not believe most of Europe is in the third world category, according the U.S. State Department. However, they have warned that Croatia is and that travel there is not recommended.

Again, as the OP has specified: Why Glock over XD? I know my Glocks are being produced and assembled in a legal and positive workforce which supports living standards. I know that Glock supports our endeavors in Law Enforcement. We can feel good about our money spent going to firearms development and not to questionable endeavors. That's not "loony", that's a responsible consumer.

Plus, Glocks rock!! :D
 
In fact I doubt you would ever even notice it has one during any type of shooting.

I don't at the range but if my hand is mangled in a gunfight, it won't be reliable anymore.
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If your hand is that mangled I seriously doubt you could otherwise hold the weapon and pull the trigger to fire it. If you can hold the weapon at all the grip safety is not an issue. When I had an XD I tried a LOT of different ways to grip it and the only way you aren't going to deactivate the grip safety is if you hold the weapon so low on the grip you can't reach the trigger so you have to pull the trigger with your other hand. You may not believe it by some us just train with both hands so if one is injured, you can just put the weapon in your other hand. My personal experience is most cases playing the "what if" game is only used to prove your own opinion, not to make a practical point. The fact is you are many times more likely to shoot yourself in the butt reholstering your weapon than to somehow injure both hands where your only choice is to grip and fire the weapon with so much of the web of your hand missing that it can't engage the trigger safety yet somehow you can still hold the weapon and pull the trigger.
 
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Croatia is a pretty nice place..

and my XD is a pretty nice pistol..

and if my hand is "mangled" in a gunfight, i'm in bigger trouble than having to depress a grip safety on a pistol..

i find the issues people have with the XD/XDm quite funny, at times..
 
I agree. They come up with all kinds of crazy scenarios where the grip safety will be a problem but somehow the grip safety on the 1911 hasn't raised issues all these years. The grip safety on the XD is way easier to disengage than a 1911s too. Funny they never play the "what if" game when it comes to reholstering, or dropping the weapon, or any number of scenarios where have the grip safety is a positive.

I can do with or without it. I like the Glocks trigger better than the XD. I carry an M&P. I am really tempted by the new Glock 19 though. If someone says they like the features of the fit of the XD better I can't think of one reason to tell them to get a Glock or an M&P over it.
 
It's not crazy. There's a guy last year or so who was unable to fire his handgun because of the grip safety (1911), after taking a shot to the hand. So to say it's crazy is, well, crazy.
 
I love the grip angle if the Glock. It points better for me. The XD makes you happy so buy it. I prefer the Mk over the 22/45 Ruger because of grip angle. If I could only keep one, it would be my Glock 26. Because I like it, I can shoot it very well now. It's been reliable for me. But you shouldn't buy my fave piece if you don't like how it feels. Among the pieces you mentioned, they're all basically equal.
 
Count me among the folks who are doing grading the value of a grip safety. Why do you want it? I've carried Glocks for work for two decades now. Forget what you think you think. They're safe.

Now if another gun just fits your hand better, that's another matter altogether. Value the fit. Don't worry about the grip safety.
 
I love these threads where someone wants someone else's opinions on which gun to buy. There are very few issues that will bring out violently different opinions because we Americans love our guns and are very loyal about what we love and shoot.

But, the fact is that the Glock has a proven track record, as does the XD, the Beretta 92, Sig 226, Ruger P-95, H&K P7, Browning Hi-Power, 1911, Kahr
K9, etc. etc. Everyone will argue for or against any of them based on the fact that they do/don't like the way they feel, bought a lemon, whatever. Do the only smart thing: rent the guns you are thinking of buying and shoot them. If the XD is it, buy it. If not buy the glock. For me, that's why I carry a Ruger GP-100 .357 mag 3", a 6 round dinosaur, because it fees better to me and I shoot it better than anything else, (other than my S&W 686 4").

Just my 2 cents.
 
I shoot my XDM better than any Glock I've tried. The trigger is better to me and the grip safety is a non issue for functionality and offers some AD protection when holstering. That said, parts and accessories for Glocks are everywhere, not so much for the XDs. Both border on fugly. Both are boringly reliable. Hopefully a sex slave didn't build my particular example.
 
I have owned both and I prefer the XDM over the Glock due to the (FOR ME) better; feeling trigger out of the box, higher capacity magazines, grips, accuracy, and support from the company. I find the grip of the XDM is fills my hand better than the Glocks. I can do without the grip safety as it does not matter in how I handle my weapon except for take down. The weapon is not without problems, but I can deal with the minor problems for all the advantages. You live in the USA brother and you can buy what you want.

"United States or Austria or Germany-places that have a healthy respect for labor and life." Really... I am surprised you are looking at the old Croatia and not what it has become. You are misinformed and have never been there but you keep touting how it does not respect life or labor laws. Get over yourself and your one sided thinking. I could say "All cops are piss poor shooters and have an arrogant attitude." I would not be correct in say that, even if it is my experience in training them in SWAT and Active Shooter Training.

"Yes, the U.S. State Department advised that travel in Croatia is not recommended for America's citizens. Period. That's what the release says. Again, if you want to debate the Clinton meaning of the word "if", send it to me in a P.M. so as to not detract from the OP's thread." The State Department Informed me that Travel in the Philippians was a bad idea. I went anyway and had no problems. IF you would like to discuss the city you are a police officer in and tell me what parts of town are not safe to walk in and then see if your logic applies to your posts. Bottom Line is simple. You have never been to Croatia and take the State Departments word that its unsafe.
 
It's not crazy. There's a guy last year or so who was unable to fire his handgun because of the grip safety (1911), after taking a shot to the hand. So to say it's crazy is, well, crazy.
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First I'd love to see a link to back up that claim, secondly its already been stated the grip safety on the XD is much easier to deactivate than the 1911. There are several ways to hold a 1911 to keep if from firing that won't work with the XD.
 
Having verified this firsthand the fact that the grip safety locks the slide when not depressed makes the xd design a non starter for me.

You may not come up with a realistic scenario for the grip safety preventing you from shooting the gun. However there are lots of realistic situations where this would prevent you from performing certain clearance drills.

I've shot the xdm 9mm and while it shoots good it gave me no reason whatsoever to pass up a perfectly good glock for one.

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First I'd love to see a link to back up that claim, secondly its already been stated the grip safety on the XD is much easier to deactivate than the 1911. There are several ways to hold a 1911 to keep if from firing that won't work with the XD.
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First, how dense are you to think that a guy being unable to manipulate a grip safety is a "claim" that requires proof? But hey, some people have to touch the stove before they know it's hot... Here.

And yeah, it's already been stated because I stated it. Read back on page two. I'm not disputing it's relative weakness.
 
First, how dense are you to think that a guy being unable to manipulate a grip safety is a "claim" that requires proof? But hey, some people have to touch the stove before they know it's hot... Here.
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If I'm "dense" because I don't take every claim on the internet as fact and I have enough manners not to level insults just because someone questions me then so be it. The story you link to states the author "thinks" maybe he didn't depress the grip safety. He only knows he had a failure to fire which he had no problem clearing and firing several more rounds. Typical that you would take something not even remotely conclusive as "proof" of your point.

At least I'm not so "dense" I can realize there is a difference between the grip safeties on the 1911 and the XD. (As I've also already stated but you didn't "get" that huh?)
 
If I'm "dense" because I don't take every claim on the internet as fact and I have enough manners not to level insults just because someone questions me then so be it. The story you link to states the author "thinks" maybe he didn't depress the grip safety. He only knows he had a failure to fire which he had no problem clearing and firing several more rounds. Typical that you would take something not even remotely conclusive as "proof" of your point.

At least I'm not so "dense" I can realize there is a difference between the grip safeties on the 1911 and the XD. (As I've also already stated but you didn't "get" that huh?)
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I'll apologize for the name-calling, because that isn't High Road, but I suppose replying to you is useless, since you blocked me, but you asked for proof that GETTING SHOT IN THE HAND WOULD IMPEDE THE GRIP. You really need proof of that? You honestly need proof that a bullet in the hand will affect your grip?

And again, I have already said there was a difference in the safeties. OPEN YOUR EYES AND READ THE THREAD! What are you not understanding about this?
 
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i know this is an aside from our discussion of triggers, G vs X, but it's just too juicy for me to pass up.

RWDale, i didn't know Romney said that as Governor. sheesh. well, all the more reason for me to say Gobama, 2012 cuz we KNOW he didn't take away our guns! some FEAR he's gonna do that in a second term (apparently NRA thinking) but my pres never said anything like that ( i suppose someone's gonna prove me wrong on the high road). this levels the playing field, as far as gun issues go. i've said this before in another post, foamer at the mouth that i am, but i'm pretty happy he's our commander in chief, cuz he let our top notch by God Navy SEALS fix Osama thru the eye (one would expect that of our best, eh?), even as the preponderance of his advisors were advising against it. when he said GO, they WENT. i'm still reeling from their bravery. dang, i love them SEALS. my son tattoos a bunch of Navy from G. Lakes Naval Base, and i ask them every week if they got any news of more takeouts.

so any way, Obama has continued to take out terrorists all over the place, incl that one american (note small 'a') who was against us. he's crippling Iran this last weekend too. Romney's a hawk on Iran, too ready, i fear, to send our boys and girls in harm's way IMO (of course, there's always hyperbole come election time). and look at the man. he takes all the BS accusations of muslim, commie, not born here, etc etc etc, ad infinitum, and he lets it all bounce off him like the wind. man's got balls, i say.

sorry for the aside. pls forgive.
 
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