Why I don't carry a backup magazine with my EDC

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Dr_2_B

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It's always a compromise isn't it? For a guy who wears regular street clothes and doesn't carry Batman's utility belt, there are limits to what is practical to strap on. As it stands now, I've recently opted not to carry a backup magazine. Given a cost/benefit analysis of carrying that versus carrying the other things I need to carry with limited space, the backup magazine doesn't make the cut. I realize most people (including me) carry a backup mag in order to deal with equipment failure more than the need for 20+ rounds of ammunition. But after a lot of back-and-forth, I've arrived at this selection for my every day carry. The chances of needing any defensive equipment are small. But the chances of having to shoot at someone are teeny tiny. I'm much more likely to need to use the spray to get away from a vicious dog. If I were to use the handgun on the dog, the consequences would be dire. Not so with the pepper spray or the kubotan.

Quality handgun with a good minimalist IWB holster. First of all, for my job, I do therapy with delinquent teens and their (delinquent) families all of whom use drugs. My employer probably would not really approve of my carrying a handgun to defend my life, but I do so anyway. I carry any of a number of handguns, usually in Fist ultrathin kydex. Pictured here is my CZ P-01. If you're carrying no backup magazine, you'd better carry a handgun that is known for reliability.

I've decided the two things I am most likely to need (and that are most practical for me to carry) to escape someone trying to do me harm are pepper spray and a kubotan-type device. They are the first line of defense and the handgun had better be the last line.

Spitfire pepper spray. Most reasonable people (read jury) recognize pepper spray as a defensive device so I wouldn't be seen as some sort of warmonger for carrying it. Moreover, the spitfire doesn't look like pepper spray - this lessens the appearance of defensiveness with my clients. The spitfire could pass for some sort of key-fob or medical device as far as most people are concerned. Just yesterday an intern at my office asked me about it. She had no idea what it was. I have taken a permanent black marker and darkened in all the insignia on the spitfire, so the unit is all black now. I drape the nylon strip inside my belt and leave the breakaway spitfire dangling from my waist. As short as it is, it is always within easy reach with my left hand.

Next, I carry a Smith and Wesson tactical pen. This, too, I blackened in so it does not read Smith and Wesson on the side. While this works as a normal pen, it also functions as an effective kubotan. Yet I can successfully argue that it is nothing more than a really heavy pen. Even if it is noted to be marketed by S&W, that does not make it a weapon because Smith and Wesson lends their name to lots of novelties found at many stores. It is not unusual that I would have a Smith and Wesson pen because I am, after all, a licensed gun collector. I also am taking kubotan training in conjunction with Krav Maga training so I actually know how to use the kubotan.

For a flashlight, I just use the little one on my keychain. Granted, it's puny. But I don't need to clear a room and I don't need to go traipsing around dark places. Finally, I also carry my Benchmade folding knife and this old Treo.

With my regular attire of jeans and some sort of untucked shirt to cover my handgun, I believe the backup magazine is a lower priority than the other stuff. Any thoughts are welcome.



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Well, I certainly agree on the quality of the sidearm! Bet my life on one every day of the week. But I do carry spares,as many self loading pistol failures are magazine related. I don't think I will be doing an action hero shootout needing hundreds of rounds, I actually would prefer to never need any of them - but, I like to be as prepared as possible, without carry a rifle and wearing an assault vest! :D I can't remember where it was I read this, but first time civilians in self defense shootins tend to shoot themselves dry. Wish I could remember the source to that. You could get a pocket single mag carrier, or a single mag pouch that lays along your belt.
It's your choices, and you have options I don't have yet, looks like a well rounded setup, sir.
 
I've found that I am much more likely to tote a spare magazine now that I've realized most of my 9mm magazines fit neatly into the fifth pocket of a pair of jeans. No more fooling with magazine holders for me. Sure, it's not the best setup for lightning-fast reloads, but if I'm ever in a situation that I need a spare magazine, I probably have bigger problems. At least it's on me and fairly accessible.
 
I feel that the probability of my ever needing to actually use my handgun is pretty low. If it's needed, I expect that needing more than 5,8 or 9 rounds is extremely low.

If I lived in a different area, I might feel differently.
 
Why I don't carry a backup magazine with my EDC

I thought I was gonna learn of a new pistol:)

Had to think a bit to figure out what an EDC was.

I'm with you on dressing light, if for some reason my magazine fails, at leasat I got one in the chamber. But what if its a dud?:eek::D
 
I agree that the chances of actually using ur gun are more than slim. I also agree that the chances of needing over 10 rounds is even slimmer.....but I also think that it would suck to be wrong.
I believe in "better to have and not need than to need and not have".
Some look at statistics and base their tactics and ideas on those statistics, but those statistics can't tell us what situation we will face, it only tells us what others have faced.

This is just my belief, YMMV.
 
The mag is the weakest link in any auto, the part most prone to fail, that's enough reason for me to carry a spare. However, since that isn't reason enough for you, consider this: The unthinkable actually happens, you're in a gun fight, you empty your piece or run it down to just a couple of rounds. Are you comfortable with an empty gun while you wait for the cops to show? Anything could happen, including some of the mope's family and friends showing up when the word gets out (and it'll travel faster than your 911 call).
When the shooting stops, reload and be prepared for anything that might happen in the aftermath.

Remember, two is one, one is none, and nobody ever lost a gun fight because they had too much ammo.
 
I agree witrh DR 2 B

I believe that training is always the best weapon. Muscle memory and training will do more for you than all the gadgets and bullets in the world.

I also think that if you cannot solve the situation with 10 rounds, or 6, then you are in a far deadlier situation and you should have probably seen it coming.

Situational awareness and training combined with a reliable firearm will usually win the situation. If not, believing in Jesus Christ, and knowing that you will go to God, certainly make the thought of death a non panic situation.

I carry an XD45, in a IWB, a solid pen,( some drug rep gave to me) a good folding knife, and a handkerchief. I am no McGuyver and do not foresee combating crazed auto wielding drug lords at the 7-11. I do feel that the high crime rates and frequency of robberies in stores and at ATMs requires my full attention and awareness.

It is not the gun, but the man behind the gun.
 
Its good you carry the PO-1 then, it offers more firepower without reloading than a J Frame does with reloading once.
 
I would have to agree that minimal is better i solved the auto mag problem with a snub .38

My EDC consists of my Ruger LCR a Zebra pen from walmart ($5 and strong enough for kubiton use) a mini maglite and either my leatherman wave or a sheffield folder thats a decent but inexpencive knockoff of a buck 110

i dont bother with speedloaders because they are a pain to try and place on my person where they are both accessable and concealed ive thought of bianchi speed strips but i feel they still would end up inaccessable if i really needed them
 
I understand the OP's concern about carrying extra "stuff". I solved my problem by getting the following holster rig from FIST.


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This rig carryies the mag right along with the IWB holster which makes is extremely handy. The gun in the pic is a CZ85C which is pretty close to the P-01 in terms of size. Worked for me.
 
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Exactly. That's why I carry a motel-style fire extinguisher in my watch-pocket and a heart-defibrillator in my sock. And a backup 12 V car battery in my vest. Sure they're heavy and I look real funny to the girls, but it's better to have it and not need it. I realize this illustration is absurd, but it demonstrates my point. Everything we do is some sort of compromise. Knowing the chance of needing the other implements I now carry is much greater than the chance of needing my gun; and weighing the need to function without looking like Quasimodo or weighing as much as Rosy O'Donnell, I sincerely believe this is the right choice.

Rustgrey, I also have some really heavy drug rep pens. I think they're a great choice. These are the ones I got. Heavy, fairly sturdy and totally innocuous.
 
My thoughts on extra mags?

According to Murphy's Law.
One = None.
Two = One.
Three = Two, or Probably Three.

If you accidently drop a mag while moving to cover, or even getting in & out of your car, it would be great to have a spare.

Otherwise, you have a nice expensive single-shot pistol, and one round of ammo for it.

rc
 
Knowing the chance of needing the other implements I now carry is much greater than the chance of needing my gun; and weighing the need to function without looking like Quasimodo or weighing as much as Rosy O'Donnell, I sincerely believe this is the right choice.
I agree totally...This idea of dropping a mag accidently, or malfunctioning when needed tells me that many really can't handle their weapon and have little faith in a pistol that should be reliable by their own testing on the range.
Now, I realize many don't fire their carry weapon much, especially those in the ice-belt up North; but an extra B.U.G. or mag with everyday carry just doesn't do it for me....For those that do; good for you....:)
 
yes better to have and not need than need and not have but in the same vien there is a limit

i personaly know people that admit to carrying more than 5 mags worth of ammo just in case

and lets not forget the pocket tool craze that clutteres everyones cargos with every nifty gatget youll never actualy need

a knife a flashlight maybe a pen (but more for writing than fighting) and your firearm of choice with a backup supply of ammo (dont go crazy)

remember your obligation is to get away and stop the threat(s) not go complete rambo and save the world
 
I disagree with DR 2 B about the wisdom of carrying an extra mag. I can't speak for DR 2; but, for me I can carry all the ammo I want and don't care about tipping off my employer or clients (I'm retired). Nor, do I care what the girls’ think (I've been married almost 40 years).

But, it is nice to be a little discreet. However, IMHO, it's foolish not to carry a second mag. An extra mag can be carried in a multi tool pouch or something similar. Even with all the items shown in the OP, an extra mag doesn't seem to be that much more to carry.

DR - maybe you should carry a smaller/lighter gun with more ammo. Perhaps that would solve the weight/space problem.
 
where do you folks live? sounds like you all are preparing for a bad day in Bosnia. This aint the old west and buffalo bill isnt waiting for you at high noon. Relax, one clip is fine. better yet... just carry a cheap 6 gun, cause if you are involved in a shooting the fuzz is gonna take your piece as evidence and you'll likely see it again in roughly 2112.
 
I carry 1-2 back up mags for my full size 1911... depending on what I am wearing... and a .44 snubby in my weak side front pocket.


Jim
 
i dig your multi layer approach. light, pepper spray, kubotan, gun. toss in car keys and your phone and thats alot of stuff to carry.

I do therapy with delinquent teens and their (delinquent) families

do you do on site therapy, visiting peoples homes, or do you have an office? perhaps a spare mag in your office desk or in a briefcase or kept in your car.
 
My EDC has 15 rounds of .40 S&W. If I can't get it done with that, then I better try to get the hell out of there.

Agree.

It depends on individual state law. Here in Ohio, we are required to retreat if at all possible (except in car or home). A handgun is to protect us from an immediate threat and allow us to retreat, not conduct a running gun battle. Although it might sound nice to permanently stop the bad guy, that will likely bring a lot of unwanted and expensive legal costs and maybe ongoing danger from his friends. Best outcome is for everyone to go home safely. As they emphasize in our CCW classes here, we are not law enforcement. YMMV.
 
where do you folks live? sounds like you all are preparing for a bad day in Bosnia. This aint the old west and buffalo bill isnt waiting for you at high noon. Relax, one clip is fine.

Why bother carrying a gun at all? You're not likely to need one, anyway.
 
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