Why i HATE conceiled carry and what can i do to fix it?

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I don't think you're legal to carry at 19 in TN as a TN resident. You may be OK if you were a Maine resident passing through but you are not.

Life is about compromises, one has to make some. Either a smaller weapon or something better to cover it up.
 
Sam has certainly covered all the bases with regard to the concealment issue. Frankly, though I prefer tucked shirts myself, I've accumulated one heckuva collection of "camp shirts" and other types of shirts designed to be worn untucked (as a former resident of states such as Florida, Arizona and a couple tropical foreign countries, ya gotta go with what works for the climate).

As for the legal aspect -- count me in with the posters that believe, as a full-time Tennessee resident, you must have a TN license. Most states have spelled out that residents cannot carry on other states' non-resident licenses; while I would grant that the applicable TN statutes I located aren't quite as clearly worded as other states' -- I don't think you (the OP) found a legal "loophole" for under-21 concealed carry.
 
cobra246,

I strongly recommend you consult an attorney who has a thorough knowledge of Tennessee firearms laws. My limited look at your state's statutes leads me to agree with those who question the legality of your carrying concealed under a Maine permit. In addition, you are carrying a firearm you made yourself from an 80% build. I think you are on thin ice and your legal situation could escalate. Don't expect the average law enforcement officer to agree with your interpretation of the law. I think this could end badly for you if for whatever reason you have any encounter with the police let alone a self defense shooting, then with a zealous prosecutor who decides that you are not only carrying concealed in violation of the law, but have a handgun of questionable provenance. You could end up charged with a felony or two and lose your firearms rights for the rest of your life. Please do the prudent thing and talk to a lawyer.
 
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cobra246,

I strongly recommend you consult an attorney who has a thorough knowledge of Tennessee firearms laws. My limited look at your state's statutes leads me to agree with those who question the legality of your carrying concealed under a Maine permit. In addition, you are carrying a firearm you made yourself from an 80% build. I think you are on thin ice and your legal situation could escalate. Don't expect the average law enforcement officer to agree with your interpretation of the law. I think this could end badly for you if for whatever reason you have any encounter with the police let alone a self defense shooting, then with a zealous prosecutor who decides that you are not only carrying concealed in violation of the law, but have a handgun of questionable provenance. You could end up charged with a felony or two and lose your firearms rights for the rest of your life. Please do the prudent thing and talk to a lawyer.
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I wholeheartedly agree.

Seems he's gotten some insight into his carrying issue but possibly shouldn't be carrying in the first place.


Seek competent legal advice Cobra.
 
Regarding the issue of concealing it, sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too. You need to adjust something and the easiest is to untuck your shirt.


However, I agree with the others; you're not legal.

The sucky part of loop holes is when/if you get caught. As you get older, you'll realize there is no such thing; you either comply with the law or you dont.
 
Ohen Cepel said:
I don't think you're legal to carry at 19 in TN as a TN resident.
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Agreed.

I'm pretty sure a TN resident cannot legally carry a gun in TN at the age of 19.

So you may as well wait until you are 21 and open carry if that is still your preference. Otherwise I'd use the 1-2 years between now and then to get and train with a smaller pistol that is easier to conceal.
 
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Edit: nevermind. I was mistaken about the minimum age to own a handgun in TN




Sam1911

With the lovingkindness that comes from having been in your shoes, not so terribly long ago, I'll offer to you the suggestion that the older you get the less important you'll find today's "hates!" and "refuses!" and "won'ts!" and "not mes!" to be in the grand scheme of a long life full of much more important concerns, worries, headaches, heartaches, and joys.

Life gives you very, very few things in greater abundance than it does opportunities to compromise and adjust your absolutes.
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Hah. Sam, you are hilarious. And wise. And always! spot on.

:)
 
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Sam, as always, has provided some very good guidance.
Unlike some others...:barf:
i guess you're California, Florida, Illinois, New York, South Carolina or Texas?
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News flash...TX has Open Carry...
 
Hey guy do like me. I love my FN Browning Hi-Power full size, and my Sig Sauer 228, but when I'm in my jeans and shirt I go for a pocket pistol. Get proficient with a Kahr, either 9mm para or 380. I mean really proficient, practicing weekly. And you will be a confident and completely
concealed carrier.
 
GBExpat said:
Very nice job, yugorpk! :D

Looks like you have given the OP a chance to avoid what could become a big (possibly, life-changing) mistake.
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If you think the OP is going to stop carrying because its been pointed out he's doing it illegally I have some land you might want to consider. He's got his piece of paper. 19 year olds are indestructible.
 
I really don't think we should be giving advice on how to illegally carry a concealed 1911 to a 19 year old. It just feels wrong.
 
Cobra246 said:
I got my gun the same way. 80% build shipped straight to my place and no background check lol
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Just curious, why is getting a gun without a background check funny? I'm not an expert on Tennessee firearms laws and I'm not a proponent of Universal Background Checks but fail to see the humor in what might be perceived as skirting the law. I've personally purchased several firearms in face-to-face private sales without a background check, which is still legal in SC, but I don't consider that a lol event. What am I missing?
 
+1 one on double checking on the out of state permit validity. We've had some people run afoul of that here in Kansas using Florida out of state permits (big scandal, people got arrested, yada yada).

About your situation though, I'm pretty small guy but with a good, tuck-able holster and a dress shirt I'm happily concealing a Glock 17 even when very physically active. It stays put, and hidden when dollying appliances around, lifting furniture, crawling under things. Tucked shirt carry can work miracles for us little people, if you use a stiff shirt or starch your softer shirts.

As far as heat goes, I've just bit the bullet and deal with it. We get up to 110 here so I hate it when it's at the highest temps, but you just gotta deal with it.
 
Plan2Live said:
Cobra246 said: Just curious, why is getting a gun without a background check funny? I'm not an expert on Tennessee firearms laws and I'm not a proponent of Universal Background Checks but fail to see the humor in what might be perceived as skirting the law. I've personally purchased several firearms in face-to-face private sales without a background check, which is still legal in SC, but I don't consider that a lol event. What am I missing?
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There's nothing skirting the law about it. Completely legal, and nothing wrong with it outside of statutory limitations, either
 
Perceived Warp, I said perceived. If the OP didn't think he was getting away with something then why the lol? And if he did think he was getting away with something that certainly isn't a lol moment.
 
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Well time to open the worms...

Imo seeing how this KID is violating his state law, wants to carry a firearm at work which is 99% not allowed by employers than admit to a possible atf violation for a parts gun he built and purchased illegally someone with powers to get his IP should do the right thing report him to the Tennessee state police before this KID hurts someone with his antics.

Jmo though. This has very bad written all over it!
 
ohihunter2014 said:
Well time to open the worms...

Imo seeing how this KID is violating his state law, wants to carry a firearm at work which is 99% not allowed by employers than admit to a possible atf violation for a parts gun he built and purchased illegally someone with powers to get his IP should do the right thing report him to the Tennessee state police before this KID hurts someone with his antics.

Jmo though. This has very bad written all over it!
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He's an adult.

And if he does have a carry license issued by another state I'd say he has passed a background check, anyway, if that matters to somebody.
 
Therers nothing wrong with the gun in TN. Its a legally built gun in a state that allows them. Its the carry part he's doing illegally. Perhaps thats why he's so concerned about printing. I would be too.
 
You can buy/own a handgun in Tennessee if you are over 18. He is 19 yo, so an 80% frame is perfectly legal for him to own/modify.

Now, as far as the carry part, that is totally not legal IMO. Talk about trying to skirt the law and as others have pointed out, many people aren't allowed to carry at work anyway.
 
cobra246 said:
Both the carry class instuctor and a cop said it was. Its a reciprocity agreement so they have to honor it or honor none at all.

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Not necessarily so. WI honors non-resident permits, but a WI resident must have a WI permit even if they hold permits from states WI honors. I suggest instead of taking your instructor's and the cops's advice, you read TN's laws on concealed (spelled correctly) carry. I believe you will find similar language as WI's law.

I won't comment on the 80% build or your desire to open carry.
 
entropy said:
Not necessarily so. WI honors non-resident permits, but a WI resident must have a WI permit even if they hold permits from states WI honors. I suggest instead of taking your instructor's and the cops's advice, you read TN's laws on concealed (spelled correctly) carry. I believe you will find similar language as WI's law.

I won't comment on the 80% build or your desire to open carry.
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Every state I have ever looked into required its own residents to have their own state's license in order to carry.
 
Every state I have ever looked into required its own residents to have their own state's license in order to carry.
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It wasn't always that way, but states did not like their own residents getting a non-resident permit from another state to circumvent something about the permit process in their own state.

So now, as you say, most (if not all) prohibit the practice.
Both the carry class instuctor and a cop said it was.
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No offense to carry class instructors or cops, but I have found neither to be a completely reliable source of legal information.

Given that the laws are online these days, there's no excuse for not checking them out. It will be a lot less work than you put in finishing out that 80% frame and getting that pistol built and could save you a lot of money and trouble.

The one bright note in all this is that you can go back to wearing your shirt tucked in and you won't have to worry about printing or having to wear a jacket or vest in the heat. At least not for another few years.
 
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