Why I Think Open Carry Isn't Wiser than Concealed Carry (In Most Instances/For Most People)

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Preface: This is me sharing my personal opinion from my own understanding. And this is primarily with self-defense (against humans) in mind. Also with carrying wherever you can legally do so. This includes in public, running errands, work, etc. **Not** for example, in your own home, on some isolated ranch/farmland, or in the wilderness. Average everyday life scenarios. Walking down the street, shopping in the grocery store, at the movies, downtown, in the city, etc. Basically wherever you could legally open carry if you wanted. I live in a very populous city, so I kinda have that more in mind, not a rural area.

**It is wise for people to NOT know that you're carrying. It is wiser not to open carry.**

) Everyone doesn't know you. They don't know who you are, how you are, and/or if you can be trusted. They don't know if you're potentially crazy/insane/murderous/etc.

) Open carry can instill fear/anxiety/discomfort in others, make them apprehensive of you, get a wrong impression of you, potentially make you a target to criminals. **Yes, a target.** Some criminal wants to take your gun? What advantage does your holstered gun have over someone who has theirs drawn, and is approaching you from behind? You just happen to be at a store when a mass shooter enters with a rifle, and notices some guy open carrying? Guess who's likely to be a higher priority target? Think these scenarios are unrealistic? You sure? Are you in the USA like I am? Do you watch the news?

) This isn't an open carriers fault or responsibility, but some people very well may not know the law. Some people may not realize that people other than law enforcement/licensed security can legally open carry.

) If you do get into an altercation, it potentially increases the chances of someone resorting to using lethal force on you.

) It likely eliminates the element of surprise/covertness. It shows your “hand”. I’d think many/most people who are tactically minded realize the significance of the element of surprise, whether it's being used to help you, or used against you. It gives potential attackers a heads up. They KNOW you're armed, the placement of your gun, when your back is turned....
 
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I agree with many of your points. They've all crossed my mind. I agree that it depends on your environment. Many years ago when I was an LEO, even open carry for uniformed officers was a stressor for many officers from various departments who were friends of mine. Handgun retention was impressed on us.

These days the criminal element is bolder than ever. They see a handgun in your possession as a way for them to get a weapon, trusting in their brute strength and the element of surprise to take it from you.
 
For me it's called unwanted attention. Others are craving attention. Still a few are work related. ranch work? Atv riding. Fishing. What comes to your mind ?
 
I open carry in my state of NC. And it's very common place. Even when I have to come out of the woods where I live and go into bigger cities I still open carry. If NC ever goes constitutional carry I may go concealed sometimes. But I've never had the need to go pay big brother and take a class so I can be granted a piece of paper that says I can throw a shirt over my carry piece. It's legal for me to open carry without added bs permission slips. There is just as many arguments for open carry as there is against it. And the topic has been played out over and over. I say to each there own.
 
Open carry leaves you zero room for misunderstandings or hurt feelings in normal every day interactions with other people. You will instantly be taken more seriously than you might want to be taken.

Story time; A rude person got sideways with me at work. He was basically asked to leave and he did. Days later the rude guys brother shows up open carrying on his right hip. Did the rude guy tell his brother about our sideways interaction? Did he send him to intimidate me? Was he there to murder me on the spot? Was he totally clueless? Didn’t matter.

I was in a shop and he was between me and the exit. I was never more ready in my life to defend myself. I was like a cat watching a snake. The movement of his right hand was dictating my next move. It could have been a terrible situation if he flinched, adjusted his gun or outright drawn on me.

I had no expressions. I said nothing. I was all business and 100% focused. All because one guy was extremely rude and his brother came to my area open carrying.

I believe he finally noticed my demeanor, body language and stance, which was NOT subtle, so he left. Thankfully. Haven’t seen either of the brothers since and hope I never do.
 
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Although open carry was available to us all of our lives in Ohio it was considered overboard to do so. I have never seen anyone open carry in Ohio. I didn't start carrying until concealed carry became legal in Ohio not so long ago and I still won't open carry. For those that wish to open carry more power to you. For sure having the choice is nice. For me open carry sends a message I would prefer not to. Especially around children.
 
I agree with many of your points. They've all crossed my mind. I agree that it depends on your environment. Many years ago when I was an LEO, even open carry for uniformed officers was a stressor for many officers from various departments who were friends of mine. Handgun retention was impressed on us.

These days the criminal element is bolder than ever. They see a handgun in your possession as a way for them to get a weapon, trusting in their brute strength and the element of surprise to take it from you.
"""These days the criminal element is bolder than ever. They see a handgun in your possession as"""
a shoot me first sign...
jmo,
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"""These days the criminal element is bolder than ever. They see a handgun in your possession as"""
a shoot me first sign...
jmo,
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That's an issue with police mindset and culture. As a former cop and field training officer. I can attest that the biggest issue with law enforcement at the moment is an "us vs them" mindset plus a "only we should have guns and the bill of rights gets in the way of doing our jobs" mindset. I perosnally witnessed those two mindsets in fellow LEOs when I wore the badge.
 
That's an issue with police mindset and culture. As a former cop and field training officer. I can attest that the biggest issue with law enforcement at the moment is an "us vs them" mindset plus a "only we should have guns and the bill of rights gets in the way of doing our jobs" mindset. I personally witnessed those two mindsets in fellow LEOs when I wore the badge.
Thanks for your service.
Anyone who gets up in the morning, straps on a gun and goes out looking for trouble is a hero in my book.

Yes, I saw a couple of cops, on OP nation, get all spooled up when they found a gun in a car that had a capped threaded barrel.
Both went to their 'puters to try and find a law that claimed a threaded barrel was some kind of evil/illegal thing.
They never showed any results though.
IDK, if threaded barrels are illegal or not anywhere in the US, but it just seemed weird to me.
OP: sorry for the drift here, carry-on.
jmo,
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+1 on l.e.o. “us versus them” attitude, sad to say. most of us certainly did nothing to make it so and yet it is inflicted on us all. really noticeable in canada which has no 2a. “protect and serve” who exactly one might ask…

back to o.p. i am in areas that either don’t prohibit o.c. or expressly allow it, with or without a handgun permit. i lawfully c.c. but don’t o.c. as i don’t want anyone’s attention. i prefer to live a friendly, quiet, unobtrusive, socially-distanced (from well before wuhan flu) life. i respect those who responsibly o.c. lawfully parading in public with slung ak/ar rifles is silly and unnecessary, i.e. irresponsible as it alienates more folks than it attracts.

wouldn’t it be interesting if handgun permits required o.c. rather than permitted c.c.
 
So when I'm CC'ing, I bend over to get something from a bottom shelf in the supermarket and my gun pokes out from under my shirt tail, have I switched to open carry?
I'm hoping my plumber's butt distracts anyone looking and they don't see my gun.

I lot here worry about "printing" when conceal carrying...not me.
A cop or another cc'er may see the printing but I don't believe the average dirt bag would even notice.
jmo,
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For what it's worth, those who have never carried openly typically overestimate the "attention" that open carry garners. In real life, very few people notice, especially if other aspects of the open carrier's appearance don't tend to attract more attention than the average Joe making his way through life.

The big concern in my opinion is weapon retention in the event that someone with nefarious motives does notice. That means that those who carry openly should consider actual training in weapon retention skills, carefully selecting holsters and other gear to aid in retention when something bad happens (like the excellent Safariland ALS series of holsters), and positioning gear to maximize one's control over what they are carrying. Most importantly, I think there are situations where open carry is just fine and others (such as in dense crowds of people) where it's a less favorable option. Act accordingly!

Of course, the same is really true for those who choose to carry with concealment, whether they realize it not. A lot of people don't conceal as well as they believe, so any concerns about being "targeted" are just as real for them as they are for someone who carries openly. In fact, I would argue that sloppy or ineffective concealment is just as and often more obvious to the casual observer than open carry. I've seen videos asserting that someone was targeted for robbery because of open carry that were actually bad concealed carry.
 
OC is legal here and I just don't see much of it. Most are like myself and don't believe in tipping my hand if I ever need to use it. I wont even get into what I see about those that do open carry. One of my LGS all of the employees OC and the other LGS the employees CC. You can figure that one out for your self...
 
For those who carry, open or concealed, under your state's Constitutional carry authority, I highly recommend you take your state's concealed carry license/permit course. Just tell the instructor not to register you as a student with the state authorities. The purpose is to ensure you are fully aware of laws on carry location prohibitions that affect you, It is your choice to carry into prohibited locations, but you should do so with full awareness.
For open carriers, please consider the level of retention your holster has. Getting disarmed by a miscreant because he sees your easy-draw open carry holster would just suck, eh?
 
I lived in KY where open carry is legal but I never did; so, though it is not legal in FL I wouldn't OC if it was.

If one chooses to OC in public places because of comfort, rights, whatever the perceived advantage/reason is, when they go to Wal-Mart (example) those reasons are just as valid at family reunions, "nice restaurants", and when visiting anti-gun relatives (if applicable). ;) Let everybody see, not just when expecting to be around mostly strangers. 😁
 
So when I'm CC'ing, I bend over to get something from a bottom shelf in the supermarket and my gun pokes out from under my shirt tail, have I switched to open carry?
I'm hoping my plumber's butt distracts anyone looking and they don't see my gun.

I lot here worry about "printing" when conceal carrying...not me.
A cop or another cc'er may see the printing but I don't believe the average dirt bag would even notice.
jmo,
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In FL, police would harass you and some would arrest you.
 
I say this as someone who chooses to carry concealed the majority of the time.

Your opinion is simply wrong. It's just feelings with nothing to back them up. It's exactly the same argument anti-gunners use against all forms of carry. It makes them uncomfortable, therefore they don't think anyone should do it. I've been hearing this exact same argument for 15+ years and no one has over been able to cite any sources that show proof of it making you a target, higher chances of your gun being taken, etc. In fact the only news story I've seen during that time about an OCer other than being hassled by the police for no reason was when one successfully stopped a robbery years ago in VA.

Frankly, the last thing the gun community needs is another fudd spreading this nonsense. Especially on a forum that anti-gunners can reference to use against us. I'm supportive of people exercising their constitutional right in any form they'd like to.
 
I lived in KY where open carry is legal but I never did; so, though it is not legal in FL I wouldn't OC if it was.

If one chooses to OC in public places because of comfort, rights, whatever the perceived advantage/reason is, when they go to Wal-Mart (example) those reasons are just as valid at family reunions, "nice restaurants", and when visiting anti-gun relatives (if applicable). ;) Let everybody see, not just when expecting to be around mostly strangers. 😁
The couple of people I know that open carry, do so at all of the places you mention. They have no shame in in exercising their right, nor should they.
 
I agree wholeheartedly. I carry, discretely, and shake my head at some who dont. I won't bash them but in some cases their dress, demeanor and attitude seems to encourage conflict. The last thing I want is the aftermath of a shooting, other than being unable to protect me and mine.
 
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