doc2rn
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The teenage daughter of the killed family was found at one of the friends house. Evidently she was forbidden from seeing one of the boys. So the teens wanted to exact their revenge for the parents breaking them up.
Why I'm Armed: The Latest Family Slaughter
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loose cannon
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how do you fight your own family coming at you from nowhere.
best i can come up with is both eyes open and a gun on your hip.
and that may not even work.
best i can come up with is both eyes open and a gun on your hip.
and that may not even work.
Treat all threats the way they are. It does not matter if it is a 20 year old black man you never met, a 12 year old girl, or one of your kids, if someone tries to kill you, either deal with it, or die.
The plus side, is you as a parent should be capable of preventing this through parenting.
MarcusWendt
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Better parenting would have served these people far better than a weapon of any kind.
revjen45
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"Hopefully the Texas courts will take care of the offenders, but its still scary to hear about these things happening, especially in rural areas."
About the only place worse than TX to get popped for something like this would be Saudi Arabia. I lived there for 3 years, and believe me- they don't think this kind of thing is funny, and they won't pull any liberal tripe about the poor babies. The perps are toast. When they say Death or LWOP there they really mean it.
About the only place worse than TX to get popped for something like this would be Saudi Arabia. I lived there for 3 years, and believe me- they don't think this kind of thing is funny, and they won't pull any liberal tripe about the poor babies. The perps are toast. When they say Death or LWOP there they really mean it.
DomMega
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The daughter did have something to do with it fellas, it was her boyfriend and his friend that carried out the murders. Here's a more updated story with better information.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5589281.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5589281.html
Havegunjoe
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Sometimes I get a little irritated at my chocolate lab for barking at every little noise but I think I will go home and give her a biscuit tonight.
A few years back, an ambulatory fungus helped beat her great-grandmother to death because the lady wouldn't provide the fungus with gas money. This was just up the road a few miles from my folks.
Last year, a couple was murdered because their loving daughter wanted to keep seeing the slime bag father of her baby over he parents' objections.
The advice to "be polite, be respectful, and have a plan to kill everyone if the crap hits the fan" sometimes applies to family as well, which is one of the most terrifying aspects the world has to offer.
Sometimes trying to be a good parent and set guidelines and boundaries is what gets people killed. There are a vast number of influences on kids that parents can't control without home schooling and keeping their kids under careful scrutiny each and every moment of the day.
1911Tuner
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Give her a hug while you're at it. They like hugs.OTOH, dogs that alert at the leaves rustling in the trees tend to anesthetize us to their real warnings. It's like the mother of triplets who's at home with the crew all day. By the time they're exiting their "Terrible Twos" they can scream at the tops of their lungs and she barely notices.
Learn to detect the subtle changes in their voices. I can tell the difference between the... "Hey, moon! Who do you think you are, shinin' light in my yard" and the "YO! BOSSMAN! We gotta problem out here. Grab the shotgun and loose the boiling oil because they've come to kill us all!"...bark.
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Boy, do things like this boil my blood. Aside from the evil of the crime itself, there’s something about this kind of crime that I just can’t understand.
Several people here have referenced crimes similar to this one, the common theme being that the victimized family member(s) in many cases had an ongoing relationship/acquaintance with the perpetrators (via the child, whose friends they often are and whom the dispute usually involves). In other words, the crimes aren’t random. The families who wind up getting killed are killed after a “dispute”, or a “disagreement”, or after telling their child she couldn’t see somebody, or something.
So, the signs are there.
If you have just told your child that she can’t continue a relationship with some sleazebag “other”, and the child wigs out (even without threatening violence), you should know that you have a volatile situation on your hands. Given the prevalence of child-parent oriented domestic violence these days, you know that these kinds of situations have the potential to turn lethal. This is today, not the Victorian era, and children kill their parents (yes, they did then, too, but it didn’t seem to be a fad as it is now), frequently enlisting the aid of the banned “other”. There is ample precedent. This kind of thing is becoming fashionable, like school shootings – something that just wasn’t happening that often years ago.
So why the heck do we have parents/families lighting the fuse, so to speak, and then turning their backs? Now, I’m not presuming to know what precautions, if any, were taken by the family in this particular case or what warning signs were given them, but I just can’t believe that parents can be totally ignorant of at least the general kind of company their kids are keeping, and of the bent of their children’s minds, their emotional state, that is. They have to sense something is brewing, even if they don’t know the particulars or aren’t even well acquainted with boyfriend/girlfriend they have forbidden their child to see.
So, what I’m saying/asking is, do the people whom this happens to just bury their head in the sand and figure it can’t happen to them? Are they in touch with reality at all? Do they have a radio or TV, or ever read the newspapers? Anything? Do they realize how many times this kind of thing has happened in the relatively recent past?
Immediately after the confrontation with their child regarding various scumbag “x-factors” who may or may not be known to them, and who may well bring other scumbags into the picture, it’s time to take defensive measures, whether it’s being constantly armed, installing alarms and motion-sensing lights around your house, or getting a dog, or all of the above, or something. Even, when necessary (wouldn’t have applied in this case), enlisting the aid of the law against the child or his/her friends.
Just do something, don’t hope for the best and go to bed at night without so much as a second thought. Once again, of course I don’t know what happened in this particular situation, but in a general sense it just seems that we keep hearing about this incredible crap happening time after time, and I can’t believe that some people are so ignorant of precedent or unobservant that they can’t recognize when they may be right in the middle of such a situation themselves.
Wake up and smell the thorns, people. If you want to have children, and then you either permit them to forge relationships with slime or can’t control what relationships they do form, then all bets are off and God help you. All this warm, fuzzy nonsense about “coming of age” and teenage “growing pains” and the other sanctified adolescent rites of passage that many parents often ignore as being transient, and more or less harmless, is passe and is going to cost lives as long as parents are tolerant, complacent or willfully ignorant.
As we hear again and again about these kinds of “child gets mad, then recruits friends and does God-knows-what” scenarios, I am convinced that 90% of it is AVOIDABLE because it is so “un-random”. What is closer to home and more readily observed than your own children, their moods, habits, etc.? Even if they have an “other” life, you almost always know when something’s up, even if you don't know exactly what it is. 99 times out of 100 you can sense which way the wind's blowing.
I really should not read these news items and threads discussing them, it makes me too angry and frustrated.
Several people here have referenced crimes similar to this one, the common theme being that the victimized family member(s) in many cases had an ongoing relationship/acquaintance with the perpetrators (via the child, whose friends they often are and whom the dispute usually involves). In other words, the crimes aren’t random. The families who wind up getting killed are killed after a “dispute”, or a “disagreement”, or after telling their child she couldn’t see somebody, or something.
So, the signs are there.
If you have just told your child that she can’t continue a relationship with some sleazebag “other”, and the child wigs out (even without threatening violence), you should know that you have a volatile situation on your hands. Given the prevalence of child-parent oriented domestic violence these days, you know that these kinds of situations have the potential to turn lethal. This is today, not the Victorian era, and children kill their parents (yes, they did then, too, but it didn’t seem to be a fad as it is now), frequently enlisting the aid of the banned “other”. There is ample precedent. This kind of thing is becoming fashionable, like school shootings – something that just wasn’t happening that often years ago.
So why the heck do we have parents/families lighting the fuse, so to speak, and then turning their backs? Now, I’m not presuming to know what precautions, if any, were taken by the family in this particular case or what warning signs were given them, but I just can’t believe that parents can be totally ignorant of at least the general kind of company their kids are keeping, and of the bent of their children’s minds, their emotional state, that is. They have to sense something is brewing, even if they don’t know the particulars or aren’t even well acquainted with boyfriend/girlfriend they have forbidden their child to see.
So, what I’m saying/asking is, do the people whom this happens to just bury their head in the sand and figure it can’t happen to them? Are they in touch with reality at all? Do they have a radio or TV, or ever read the newspapers? Anything? Do they realize how many times this kind of thing has happened in the relatively recent past?
Immediately after the confrontation with their child regarding various scumbag “x-factors” who may or may not be known to them, and who may well bring other scumbags into the picture, it’s time to take defensive measures, whether it’s being constantly armed, installing alarms and motion-sensing lights around your house, or getting a dog, or all of the above, or something. Even, when necessary (wouldn’t have applied in this case), enlisting the aid of the law against the child or his/her friends.
Just do something, don’t hope for the best and go to bed at night without so much as a second thought. Once again, of course I don’t know what happened in this particular situation, but in a general sense it just seems that we keep hearing about this incredible crap happening time after time, and I can’t believe that some people are so ignorant of precedent or unobservant that they can’t recognize when they may be right in the middle of such a situation themselves.
Wake up and smell the thorns, people. If you want to have children, and then you either permit them to forge relationships with slime or can’t control what relationships they do form, then all bets are off and God help you. All this warm, fuzzy nonsense about “coming of age” and teenage “growing pains” and the other sanctified adolescent rites of passage that many parents often ignore as being transient, and more or less harmless, is passe and is going to cost lives as long as parents are tolerant, complacent or willfully ignorant.
As we hear again and again about these kinds of “child gets mad, then recruits friends and does God-knows-what” scenarios, I am convinced that 90% of it is AVOIDABLE because it is so “un-random”. What is closer to home and more readily observed than your own children, their moods, habits, etc.? Even if they have an “other” life, you almost always know when something’s up, even if you don't know exactly what it is. 99 times out of 100 you can sense which way the wind's blowing.
I really should not read these news items and threads discussing them, it makes me too angry and frustrated.
revjen45
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"Ambulatory fungus?" thank you Buzz Knox. I do remember and use particular examples of a fine turn of phrase. This one's a winner.
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This kind of thing makes me grateful for our son and the lovely lady with whom he shares his life. We could not wish for our son to be a finer person, or that he could find a better lady.
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If those little sacks of guano don't get the death penalty they will regret it. A legally mandated quick death after protracted legal shenanigans would be preferable to what awaits them.
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Having lived in TX, I would pick somewhere else to perpetrate such a vicious and evil act. Word up: there are more TX recidividists in CA prisons than there are in TX prisons. For those who have been there, once was enough. This act of Satanic horror will make them miserable for as long as they live.
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This kind of thing makes me grateful for our son and the lovely lady with whom he shares his life. We could not wish for our son to be a finer person, or that he could find a better lady.
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If those little sacks of guano don't get the death penalty they will regret it. A legally mandated quick death after protracted legal shenanigans would be preferable to what awaits them.
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Having lived in TX, I would pick somewhere else to perpetrate such a vicious and evil act. Word up: there are more TX recidividists in CA prisons than there are in TX prisons. For those who have been there, once was enough. This act of Satanic horror will make them miserable for as long as they live.
littlegator
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...which reminds us that our home defense ought to be multi-layered, and not based entirely on the nightstand gun/bedside shotty. For myself, I am lousy in the middle of the night once I've been asleep a couple of hours. It's sad to say, but it takes alot to wake me up. My bedside gun is not going to be much use if I'm stumbling all over myself trying to get a fix on the perp while in a quasi-Benedryl-like stuper. Fortunately, I have the dog, the alarm, the stairs loaded with booby traps... I can't help it if the kids leave all kinds of sharp, pointy toys all over the place.
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Does anyone else feel physically sickened reading of this horror? Because I do.
For some reason, I keep thinking of the poor dog, apparently hanging around the house and refusing to eat food left for it by kindly neighbours. The image enforces the bleakness and devastation that have been wrought, I suppose.
I hope the father pulls through. I can't imagine his torment, or his grief.
This story makes me wonder if maybe it wouldn't be best for all family members aged around 8 to 10 and up to be armed at all times (provided that all members have engraved the Four Rules onto their prefrontal cortexes). Such a decision does raise the moral dilemma of: Should a child kill in defense of her / his family?
For some reason, I keep thinking of the poor dog, apparently hanging around the house and refusing to eat food left for it by kindly neighbours. The image enforces the bleakness and devastation that have been wrought, I suppose.
I hope the father pulls through. I can't imagine his torment, or his grief.
This story makes me wonder if maybe it wouldn't be best for all family members aged around 8 to 10 and up to be armed at all times (provided that all members have engraved the Four Rules onto their prefrontal cortexes). Such a decision does raise the moral dilemma of: Should a child kill in defense of her / his family?
That's how their daughter ended up with scum in the first place.
They just know it can't happen to them so they don't even bother to take precautions (like teaching her what to look for in a mate) to prevent it in the first place.
The "It can't happen to me" syndrome is very common. That's why you so often hear people saying "I can't believe it happened to me" or "Even while it was happening I couldn't believe it" or "It was like it was happening to someone else" or "That kind of stuff never happens here" or "How could this happen to me?" when interviewed after some tragedy.
macadore
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Firearms will not protect you against your child killing you while you sleep.
The girl had been home schooled until recently. There seem to be a lot of murders by home schooled children.
Maybe we should ban home schooling.
The girl had been home schooled until recently. There seem to be a lot of murders by home schooled children.
Maybe we should ban home schooling. Owen Meany
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bloodedsky said:
No moral dilemma that I can see. Provided it is a last resort, the answer is yes, absolutely.
macadore said:
Yes, that's true and it's a real problem in a situation like this. A dog is the best bet so far as I can see, particularly in the present case where, though a family member was party to the killings, the actual executioners were strangers. Maybe an antsy canine would have vociferously objected to their presence in time to wake the family.
I thought this was interesting:
I'm not taking issue with this, but rather, I'm genuinely curious. Could you (or anybody else) point me to some other instances of people with homeschooled backgrounds committing murder?
No moral dilemma that I can see. Provided it is a last resort, the answer is yes, absolutely.
macadore said:
Yes, that's true and it's a real problem in a situation like this. A dog is the best bet so far as I can see, particularly in the present case where, though a family member was party to the killings, the actual executioners were strangers. Maybe an antsy canine would have vociferously objected to their presence in time to wake the family.
I thought this was interesting:
I'm not taking issue with this, but rather, I'm genuinely curious. Could you (or anybody else) point me to some other instances of people with homeschooled backgrounds committing murder?
bloodedsky wrote:
I fail to see the moral dilemma.
At the age of 15, I prevented my sister from being raped by two men. I was armed with an AR-15, and fortunately, I didn't have to shoot.
At the same time, I would not have hesitated should that have proved to be my only recourse.
Self-Defense and Defense of loved ones has no age prerequisites.
--- John
I fail to see the moral dilemma.
At the age of 15, I prevented my sister from being raped by two men. I was armed with an AR-15, and fortunately, I didn't have to shoot.
At the same time, I would not have hesitated should that have proved to be my only recourse.
Self-Defense and Defense of loved ones has no age prerequisites.
--- John
macadore
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Home school them and they wigout and kill you, send them to public school and the wigout and shoot up the place, damned if you do, damned if you dont i guess. Moral of the story, when your daughter brings her scumbag boyfriend to meet the family, pull him aside and set him straight right off like this "Listen here S#*@ for brains, you better behave yourself with my daughter or I WILL have to F$%&ing kill you!". Work for my father.
TheFringe
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If you live on rural property it is imperative to employ silent perimeter motion detectors. The system pictured here as well as most others on the market can accommodate at least 4 add-on sensors that each have their own chime or buzzing sound heard inside the house when tripped.
For example, a family I know living in a secluded country home with a long private driveway utilizes 3 sensors hidden at say, 1500,1000, and 500 feet. A vehicle or person continuing toward the house will set off each sensor consecutively. Animal trips are rare, and will only trip one sensor. They also have a wide-view system for their yards I believe.
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For example, a family I know living in a secluded country home with a long private driveway utilizes 3 sensors hidden at say, 1500,1000, and 500 feet. A vehicle or person continuing toward the house will set off each sensor consecutively. Animal trips are rare, and will only trip one sensor. They also have a wide-view system for their yards I believe.
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I have noticed a trend in this and other threads of "blame the parents/victims". I guess it is human nature to look for a "reason" for evil, to find blame in the victim. That way we can tell ourselves that we would not be at risk because we are "good" parents, or too "smart" to allow ourselves to become victims. Unfortunately - it aint necessarily so.
Some people, even our own children, regardless of their upbringing, commit evil. It may be because of a severe mental illness that the parents were powerless to prevent. Often, parents with such a child receive little or no help because of mental "health" laws that are more inclined to protect the sick ones rights at the expense of their health and our safety. Or it may be that the child decided to “just try” a little meth – and are immediately swept up into a psychotic addiction that destroys whatever teachings their parents may have instilled in them.
Yes, parents must keep a watchful eye out for these things and take action. But sometimes, despite the parent’s greatest efforts, they toil in vain.
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