Don Gwinn
Moderator Emeritus
Look, some of you are just not getting it. This is not a dealer policy. I don't know of any dealer or any gun show promoter in Illinois who doesn't enforce this law. That's because it IS THE LAW.
If someone knows a judge who can explain how what's clearly stated in the statutes excerpted above actually isn't so, then bully for him, but he's not the only judge in this state and others don't share his views. Unless I know I'm going to go before him, I'd be gambling at best to violate this law.
Frankly, if you don't live in Illinois, have not lived in Illinois and have not read Illinois law carefully, you're welcome to comment, but your comments will be taken at face value. With all due respect, there's not much behind them.
Illinois has higher murder and violent crime rates than any of them, including gun crime rates as far as I can tell.
[quote}In terms of preventing "bad guns" in the streets?[/quote]
Nope. But nobody but a few dreamers thought it would. The rest just wanted to rein in the gun nuts and at least "do something."
Bad guys get ammo the way they always did before; they steal it, they buy it from someone less scrupulous, they fake FOID cards and use FOIDs that should have been revoked but weren't.
(And before anyone jumps in to tell me that doesn't happen, I invite you to tell it to my dad, who has had the experience of being threatened with prison time by a Macoupin County sheriff's deputy for selling a handgun to a felon. The reason he didn't get arrested was that he had done everything right; the skell had gotten a FOID by changing his middle initial and he even passed NICS.)
If someone knows a judge who can explain how what's clearly stated in the statutes excerpted above actually isn't so, then bully for him, but he's not the only judge in this state and others don't share his views. Unless I know I'm going to go before him, I'd be gambling at best to violate this law.
Frankly, if you don't live in Illinois, have not lived in Illinois and have not read Illinois law carefully, you're welcome to comment, but your comments will be taken at face value. With all due respect, there's not much behind them.
No. Illinois is bordered by Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana and Kentucky. None of those states require a FOID. Missouri recently got rid of their "pistol purchase permit" system. Three of those states are shall-issue CCW states, and I believe all allow NFA ownership (Illinois does not.)Is the FOID card really working in IL?
Illinois has higher murder and violent crime rates than any of them, including gun crime rates as far as I can tell.
[quote}In terms of preventing "bad guns" in the streets?[/quote]
Nope. But nobody but a few dreamers thought it would. The rest just wanted to rein in the gun nuts and at least "do something."
No, it doesn't. You see, the criminals disobey this law like all the others, which you or I could have predicted with ten seconds of hard thinking. But again, I don't believe the results were considered nearly as much as the appearance of "doing something."In a way, it makes sense so bad guys can't buy ammo and to keep guns in their rightful place.
Bad guys get ammo the way they always did before; they steal it, they buy it from someone less scrupulous, they fake FOID cards and use FOIDs that should have been revoked but weren't.
(And before anyone jumps in to tell me that doesn't happen, I invite you to tell it to my dad, who has had the experience of being threatened with prison time by a Macoupin County sheriff's deputy for selling a handgun to a felon. The reason he didn't get arrested was that he had done everything right; the skell had gotten a FOID by changing his middle initial and he even passed NICS.)
It passed in 1968, when people were scared to death that the hippies and the blacks and the liberals were going to try to burn Chicago to the ground and everyone would be caught in the crossfire between the Black Panthers and the Good 'Ol Boys. Since the FOID didn't seem to interfere with duck hunting (deer hunting wasn't big back then) it was passed over weak objections. There may have been intimations that people of the wrong color would have difficulty obtaining the FOID; I'm not sure. I haven't read the transcripts of the FOID's floor debate and passage, so what I actually know comes from the transcript of the 1970 constitutional convention debate over what passes for an RKBA amendment in Illinois. Wouldn't surprise me, in any case, if they sold it to blacks in Chicago as a way to keep the KKK from stockpiling weapons--and to the whites in Chicago and downstate as a way to keep the Black Panther Party from taking over.I'm curious about this. What's the history behind FOID?