If there is such a thing, this is the correct answer. If my life is on the line, I'm staying with statiscally proven and highly used firearms, but my life isn't on the line when I go to the range. I hope...
Why is an Olympic AR-15 Bad?
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GunnyUSMC
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Woo! that's a lot of shooting.SpookyPistolero said:
20 years in the Corps and didn't even do that much shooting in so few days.
How much does one have to pay for such training?
Better question. What do these people train for?
I know that there are a bunch out there that are worried about Zombies.
Back in 1983 I was carreing around a Hydra Matic M16A1 with a M203 strapped to it. It was a Vietnam era rifle that the Marine Corps was still issuing. It was old and had been shot a hell of a lot and even more by me. That was some good training.
My Olympic is for fun, I have other guns for the Zombies.
kwelz
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Gunny, I train monthly. The class composition is about 1/3 .mil, 1/3 police, and 1/3 civilian like myself who feel that owning these weapons should go hand in hand with knowing how to deploy them in the most effective manner possible.
Normal round count is 400-500 rounds per class day. Cost for a VSM class is usually around $150 per day with advanced classes going up from there.
It has nothing to do with "zombies" and in fact any mention of such would get you laughed out of class and never invited back.
Training has changed a lot in the last few years. And frankly from a purely shooting point of view high quality private training is going to be superior to the shooting training you are going to get in the military. And that is strait from people I have trained with who are in the service.
Normal round count is 400-500 rounds per class day. Cost for a VSM class is usually around $150 per day with advanced classes going up from there.
It has nothing to do with "zombies" and in fact any mention of such would get you laughed out of class and never invited back.
Training has changed a lot in the last few years. And frankly from a purely shooting point of view high quality private training is going to be superior to the shooting training you are going to get in the military. And that is strait from people I have trained with who are in the service.
GunnyUSMC
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I was just joking around. I konw about these classes. I know a few guys that teach some.
coondogger
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I have an Oly. Based on my experience with this firearm, I have no reason to believe that it would not serve me reliably if my life were on the line.
kwelz
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And what is your experience with the gun to make this judgement call?
coondogger
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Every time I've pulled the trigger, a bullet has shot out the barrel. I fully expect it will continue to do so. I expect the same of all my guns, with the exception of my Beretta Bobcat which I keep only because it amuses me.
Hanzo581
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That's not good enough. Go put it though a 1500 round torture test in a sandstorm and get back to me.
trickyasafox
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I have an oly upper in 9mm- it has been nothing but good to me. Mine is a good bit older (probably 10+ years) and I just bought it recently used- but I have had no issues in the hundreds of rounds I have fired with it mounted on a few different lowers.
FlyinBryan
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yea, a sandstorm. or in the deep jungles of vietnam, where the worth of a man is measured by the ears hanging from his dog tags.
DoubleTapDrew
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That reminds me that mine did that too, so I guess it hasn't been entirely trouble free. I popped it open, put the trigger spring legs on top of the trigger pin grooves (they were below it, resting on the bottom of the reciever) and haven't had a problem since.
I was the second owner so I don't know if oly put it together that way or the previous owner, but the fix was free and took about 5 minutes.
jerkface11
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Yeah because that's where I use my gun
Amazing how questions like this bring out the Internet commandos. The facts of the matter is no one here will use their ar15 running around shooting bad guys with their life dependent on their ar15. The only exception would be if someone was a cop, and even then the actuality of ever firing the weapon on duty is so remote, and the department should be issuing you a gun.
Own up to the reality that 99.9% of us buy these as big boy toys. The .1% buy it because their department is underfunded.
Own up to the reality that 99.9% of us buy these as big boy toys. The .1% buy it because their department is underfunded.
kwelz
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So nobody will ever use an AR for Home defense?
It amazes me the excuses people will come up with for buying low quality stuff, especially firearms.
FlyinBryan
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these threads,,,, "how are these ar15's",,,,, that are not "combat worthy" in the minds of the internet rifle fighting experts always go to the exact same place.
what about the guys that already own olympics, and have fired thousands of rounds down range, and then some newby who has owned one ar15 in his life comes along and tells him its "junk"??
it is rude, not to mention completely idiotic. who was it that said 99% of the ar15's are perfectly fine for 99% of the shooters out there???
can someone help me out with that? who was that?
these always lead to the same place. locked. and it always reminds me of that pic of that overweight little tub of butter holding a rifle all tacticalized and ready for civil warII.
mil-spec hpt/mpi bolt - check.
well staked carrier - check.
physique like a tube of bleached biscuit dough - check.
ive never owned an olympic ar, but one with proven reliabity is not junk.
what about the guys that already own olympics, and have fired thousands of rounds down range, and then some newby who has owned one ar15 in his life comes along and tells him its "junk"??
it is rude, not to mention completely idiotic. who was it that said 99% of the ar15's are perfectly fine for 99% of the shooters out there???
can someone help me out with that? who was that?
these always lead to the same place. locked. and it always reminds me of that pic of that overweight little tub of butter holding a rifle all tacticalized and ready for civil warII.
mil-spec hpt/mpi bolt - check.
well staked carrier - check.
physique like a tube of bleached biscuit dough - check.
ive never owned an olympic ar, but one with proven reliabity is not junk.
W L Johnson
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It amazes me the excuses people will come up with to look down on people who didn't spent as much as they did.
Fact: The gun works for what he wants/needs it for, why some have issues with that is beyond me. Too many gun snobs around here and it's really killing this forum. Biggest reason why I'll not on the highroad much anymore.
If people like you don't comment, then people like them will take over the world... Or maybe just them internets...
WL, I'm serious, people like you need to post and post and post. There will always be snobs, but there are new guys too that need guidance, not dominance..
WL, I'm serious, people like you need to post and post and post. There will always be snobs, but there are new guys too that need guidance, not dominance..
kwelz
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He asked if they are any good. The answer on the whole is no. It isn't even a matter of "combat worthy" like Bryan commented. It is a matter of the quality of parts. I would say the same thing about people claiming that a Hipoint pistol is as good as a Glock or HK.
Maybe yours has been great when you go shoot a few magazines over the weekend. But quite a number have shown they can't even do that. If you like yours great. But don't go claiming that they are all quality. Because they are not. And they have been shown to not be.
And what is killing this board is the idea that everyone's opinion on a topic is equal. People give credence to the guy who says his DPMS has served him great without bothering to ask what that persons qualifications are. THR is becoming more of a "stroke my ego" board. Instead of asking ahead of time the posts are "hey look what I bought, did I do good?" Maybe we should encourage people to ask before they buy. And to vet the people who are giving them advice. I know of a few SMEs who are on this board. But they don't see a point in even trying anymore because of the terrible signal to noise ratio that has cropped up on this board.
"But quite a number have shown they can't even do that."
Source on that "quite"? Quite meaning more than what? 50%? 40%? 5%? 0.01%?
And what should the vetting process be? I know, how about a site sponsor? Or someone who pays for advertising. They should get the first word and also have the ability to lock threads... Oh wait... There is a forum like that already, it's called M4Carbine.net...
Source on that "quite"? Quite meaning more than what? 50%? 40%? 5%? 0.01%?
And what should the vetting process be? I know, how about a site sponsor? Or someone who pays for advertising. They should get the first word and also have the ability to lock threads... Oh wait... There is a forum like that already, it's called M4Carbine.net...
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Leathermarshmallow
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Well, I guess I don't stand a chance to defend my home with my Oly since it is nothing but a piece of junk. I can just hear the criminals coming in and seeing that the gun I am pointing in their direction is an Oly, and then just laughing at me for my attempted use of such a worthless piece of junk as a defense weapon.
On the other hand...they break into my neighbor's home. He pulls out his Colt AR15 and has the bad guys shaking in their boots because of his superior AR.
On the other hand...they break into my neighbor's home. He pulls out his Colt AR15 and has the bad guys shaking in their boots because of his superior AR.
Thanks for this response. I think you hit on something that is not obvious and you provided relevant feeedback to the question I asked in my original post. Take care.... Mike
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