Why is the correct action never listed?

[Beatnik]

I'm trying to decide on a pocket 9, and I keep landing back on the SCCY CPX-1.
Not because I want to, but because it's the only pocket 9 (stretching the term "pocket 9" a bit) which has all the features I'm looking for: 9mm Luger, micro sized, true DAO with second strike, American mag release, lock open on empty.

Kahr and Kel-Tec both claim to be DAO, but buried in deep the internet discussion buzz is the fact that both of them are actually presets, and therefore have no second strike.

I don't know what Rohrbaugh's action does, but it has a Euro style mag release and doesn't lock open.

So first question, am I missing something or is the CPX-1 really the only micro 9 on the market which has these features?

Second question, why is it that the other companies aren't truthful about their pistols' action?

And just so you all know, yes, I'm aware that what I really want is a snubbie. I just want one which is 1.5" shorter overall, 0.5" thinner, and double the capacity. It's a shame that the only company making that can't get its act together, and that the other companies are so close but aren't being entirely truthful. I really don't want to go down to 380.

 

[Storm]

The problem is that the general consensus seems to be that the Sccy is a POS.

 

[Ed4032]

I will second what Storm said. They are a POS.

 

[Beatnik]

Well, everything I've heard is that the company is a POS, but the pistols are decent.
But I'm not arguing that the pistol isn't a POS, I'm saying that it's the only pistol on the market which has all the features I want.
I'd like to know if that's the case, and why, and I'd like to know why other companies basically lie about their action to make it look like they have all the features I want.

 

[Yo Mama]

Kahr and Kel-Tec both claim to be DAO, but buried in deep the internet discussion buzz is the fact that both of them are actually presets, and therefore have no second strike.

Issue is the information is so deep you had to search. Don't believe everything you read.

Kel-Tec is DAO. I have one, and if you put a snap cap in and pull the trigger you have second, third, fourth ect... strike.

 

[Storm]

Th P11 gives you a second strike. That isn't the case with the PF-9, if I recall correctly (traded mine some time back).

As to the Sccy, do a search, you'll find that the gun is just as big a POS as the company. You seem bound and detemined to go with the Sccy. Good luck. I'd go with either the PPS or the PF-9 over the Sccy any day.

 

[NG VI]

A little bigger, but the Glock 26 does all that except second strike...

 

[rcmodel]

Th P11 gives you a second strike. That isn't the case with the PF-9,

+1

The P-11 uses a different trigger design then all the other KT's.
It will second, third, forth, etc. strike all day long.

(When you should have been using the time to do a Tap-Rack-Bang drill.)

The PF-9 uses the hammer-block drop safety of the P-32 & P3AT design, and has to be re-set.

rcmodel

 

[Hawk]

(When you should have been using the time to do a Tap-Rack-Bang drill.)

What he said.

My experience with second strikes is that I almost always get a second "click". Not that the phenomenon is exactly common anyway. A dud primer is very rare a failure to slide lock is less rare.

 

[Storm]

Quote:
(When you should have been using the time to do a Tap-Rack-Bang drill.)

What he said.

My experience with second strikes is that I almost always get a second "click". Not that the phenomenon is exactly common anyway. A dud primer is very rare a failure to slide lock is less rare.

Couldn't agree more. Playing the percentages your best bet is to forget about the second strike and tap-rack. Opinions will differ.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Second question, why is it that the other companies aren't truthful about their pistols' action?

The simple answer is that the description of a pistol's action is a marketing term. The marketing teams at the gun makers know that "single action" (like a 1911) is the gold standard for the civilian market, but they have to make DA/DAO for the law enforcement contracts. The obvious - to marketing - solution is to call DA/DAO actions by some other name that sounds more or less like "single action".

Mike

 

[SPIVEY109]

Skyy Cpx1

The Skyy is my first carry pistol and I've been carrying about a month now. I looked at all the carry pistols the gun dealer had, then said I wanted one that was fun to shoot too. He said the Skyy was what I needed. It had the best combination of power, weight, size and safety and price. The gun appeared to be well made. I've been pleased so far. The gun is easy to shoot.
Loaded with 9 rounds, it weighs identical to my wife's S&W Chief's special, but with four more bullets and a safety lever. The safety lever is nice if you are carrying in the 1 or 2 o'clock position and don't won't to risk an AD peeling your leg apart.

My only negative would be that the safety sometimes engages during shooting if you don't keep your knuckle out of the way while firing.
Skyy is working on another 9MM that's even thinner and lighter than the CPX-1 but at a cost of less bullet capacity and recoil control.

 

[armoredman]

Get the KelTec, superior sidearm. I saw the Skyy when it came out, junk. I am glad, Spivvy, that yours works for you, but that safety issue would also make it a non starter - don't want that happening in a gunfight!

 

[kitsapcharly]

What is a Sccy? Kel-Tec P-11 now can hold 13 shots with new 12-shot mag design. A little big for a pocket pistol in some pants but all right in others. Very easy to conceal in IWB holsters and similar. If you like 9MM it should be considered. As always, there's not much better than renting the guns at a range and trying if possible.

 

[sniper7369]

Yeah, definitely go with the P-11. Much, much better gun, IMHO.
I have a P-11 and it IS DAO. I practice with a snap cap quite a bit and the trigger does NOT need to be reset between trigger pulls. I bought it new a couple months ago and have 750 rounds of factory ammo and my reloads through it without a single failure of any kind. It digests everything from 95 gr LRN handloads to 147 gr +P HP's without missing a beat. Has to be the best inexpensive handgun I own.
I usually carry it appendix position IWB, but in loose cargo pants it disappears in the front pocket.
Another thing, KT customer service has to be some of the best I have experienced. The last time I ordered spare magazines for my P-3AT I also ordered new recoil springs. They sent me the springs and a new guide rod and did not charge me for them.